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how will jins get the azab of jehunnum........jins are made of fire ...and so is the helll........
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We are made of clay, and still when you hit somebody with a piece of clay it hurts!
very right islamabad!
hey pal, you didnt tell me about your meeting with a jinn! did u read my previous post few posts above?
hope to read a response from you soon.
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very right islamabad!
hey pal, you didnt tell me about your meeting with a jinn! did u read my previous post few posts above?
hope to read a response from you soon.
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I am sorry I have not been following this post. Yes I really did meet a jinn. This was in 1999 in Pakistan. He was 300 years old and in human form. There was a great scholar, and this Jinn used to come and study religion.
I am amazed at how people deny Quran openly! If you do not have knowledge please refrain from commenting, otherwise you are earning a big sin! Fear Allah as He should be feared. Quran is no ordinary book!!!
Praise be to Allaah.
The Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that the jinn exist, and that there is a purpose for their existence in this life, which is to worship Allaah Alone, with no partner or associate. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):
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“And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans, except they should worship Me (Alone).” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56].
“O assembly of jinns and mankind! Did there not come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting unto you My Verses…?” [al-An’aam 6:130]**
The world of the jinn is an independent and separate world, with its own distinct nature and features that are hidden from the world of humans. Jinns and humans have some things in common, such as the possession of understanding and the choice between the way of good and the way of evil. The word jinn comes from an Arabic root meaning “hidden from sight”. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“… Verily he [Shaytaan] and his qabeeluhu [his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe] see you from where you cannot see them…” [al-A’raaf 7:27]
Allaah has told us in His Book the essence from which the jinn were created. He says (interpretation of the meaning):
**“And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame o fire.” [al-Hijr 15:27]
“And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.” [al-Rahmaan 55:15].
According to a hadeeth narrated by ‘Aa’ishah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from fire, and Aadam was created from that which has been described to you.” (Reported by Muslim, 5314).**
Types of jinn
Allaah has created different types of jinn. Among them are some who can take on different forms, such as dogs and snakes; some who are like flying winds with wings; and some who can travel and rest.
Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.” (Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214. Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu’l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh isnaad).
The jinn and the sons of Aadam
Every individual among the sons of Aadam has a jinn who has been appointed to be his constant companion (qareen).
**Ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘There is not one of you who does not have a jinn appointed to be his constant companion.’ They said, ‘And you too, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, ‘Me too, but Allaah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good.’” (Reported by Muslim, 2814). **Al-Nawawi said in his commentary on Muslim (17/175): “‘He has submitted’ … he became a believing Muslim. This is the apparent meaning. Al-Qaadi said: Know that the ummah is agreed upon the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was protected from Shaytaan, physically and mentally, and with regard to his speech. This hadeeth contains a reference to the warning against the fitnah (temptation, trial) and whispers of the qareen (constant companion from among the jinn). We know that he is with us so we should beware of him as much as possible.”
Their powers
Allaah has given the jinn powers that he has not given to humans. Allaah has told us about some of their powers, such as the ability to move and travel quickly. An ‘ifreet from among the jinn guaranteed to the Prophet Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) that he would bring the throne of the Queen of Yemen to Jerusalem in a moment faster than that needed for a man to get up from where he was sitting. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
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“An ‘ifreet (strong one) from the jinns said: ‘I will bring it [her throne] to you before you rise from your place (council). And verily, I am indeed strong, and trustworthy for such work.’ One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: ‘I will bring it to you within the twinkling of an eye!’ – then when Sulaymaan saw it placed before him, he said, ‘This is by the Grace of my Lord…’” [al-Naml 27:39-40].**
The food and drink of the jinn
The jinn eat and drink. Ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Someone from among the jinn called me, and I went with him and recited Qur’aan for them.’ He took us and showed us the traces of where they had been and the traces of their fires. They asked him for food and he said, ‘You can have every bone on which the name of Allaah has been mentioned that comes into your possession, as meat, and all the droppings as food for your animals.’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘So do not use [these things] for cleaning yourselves [after relieving oneself], for they are the food and provision of your brothers.’” (Reported by Muslim, 450).
According to another report: “A delegation of jinn from Naseebeen came to me, and what good jinn they are! They asked me for food and I prayed to Allaah for them, so that they would not pass by bones or droppings, but they would find food on them.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3571).
The believing jinn may eat any bone on which the name of Allaah has been mentioned, because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not permit them to have anything on which Allaah’s name has not been mentioned – those are for the kuffaar among the jinn.
The beasts of the jinn
According to the hadeeth narrated by Ibn Mas’ood, that we have quoted above, the jinn asked the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for provision, and he said to them: “…and [you can have] all the droppings as food for your animals.”
The dwelling-places of the jinn
The jinn live on this earth where we do. They are mostly to be found in ruins and unclean places like bathrooms, dunghills, garbage dumps and graveyards. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us to take precautions when entering such places, by reciting the adhkaar (prayers) prescribed by Islam. One of these was reported by Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: “When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered the toilet, he would say, ‘Allaahumma innee a’oodhu bika min al-khubuthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from the evil ones, male and female).’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 142; and Muslim, 375). Al-Khattaabi explained that khubuth is the plural of khabeeth (evil or dirty – masculine form), and khabaa’ith is the plural of khabeethah (evil or dirty – feminine form), and that what is meant is male and female shayaateen.
Some jinns are Muslims and some are kaafirs
Allaah tells us that some of the jinn said (interpretation of the meaning):
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“ ‘And some of us are Muslims, and of us some are al-qaasitoon (disbelievers – those who have deviated from the Right Path). And whosoever has embraced Islam, then such have sought the Right Path. And as for the qaasitoon, they shall be firewood for Hell.’” [al-Jinn 72:14-15]**
The Muslims among the jinn are of different levels as regards righteousness and taqwa. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“[Some jinn said:] ‘There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups, each having a different way (religious sects, etc.)’” [al-Jinn 72:11]
The story of how the first jinn of this ummah became Muslim was narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas, who said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out with a group of his Companions heading for the marketplace of ‘Ukaaz. This was when the shayaateen were prevented from getting any news from heaven, and shooting stars had been sent against them. The shayaateen went back to their people, who said, ‘What is the matter with you?’ They said, ‘We cannot get news from heaven, and shooting stars were sent against us.’ Their people said, ‘Nothing is stopping you from hearing news from heaven except some new event that must have happened. Go and look in the east and the west of the earth, and see if you can find out what it is that is stopping you from hearing news from heaven.’ Those who went out in the direction of Tihaamah came upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in Nakhlah, when he was on his way to ‘Ukaaz, and found him leading his Companions in Fajr prayer. When they heard the Qur’aan, they listened to it and said, ‘By Allaah, this is what is stopping us from hearing news from heaven.’ When they went back to their people, they said, ‘O our people, we have heard a wonderful Recital (the Qur’aan). It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allaah). [al-Jinn 72:2 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then Allaah revealed to His Prophet peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group of jinns listened (to this Qur’aan)…’ [al-Jinn 72:1], and Allaah revealed to him what the jinn had said.” (reported by al-Bukhaari, 731).
Their reckoning on the Day of Resurrection
The jinn will be called to account on the day of Resurrection. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… but the jinns know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e., they will be brought to account)” [al-Saffaat 37:158]: “They will be brought to judgement.” Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Baab Dhikr al-Jinn wa Thawaabihim wa ‘Iqaabihim.
Protection from the harm of the jinn
Because the jinn can see us while we cannot see them, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us many ways to protect ourselves from their harm, such as seeking refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan, reciting Soorat al-Falaq and Soorat al-Naas (the last two Soorahs of the Qur’aan), and reciting the words taught by Allaah in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Say: ‘My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the shayaateen (devils). And I seek refuge with You, my Lord, lest they may attend (or come near) me.’” [al-Mu’minoon 23:97-98]
Saying Bismillaah (in the Name of Allaah) before entering one’s home, before eating or drinking, and before having intercourse will also keep the Shaytaan from entering the house or partaking with a person in his food, drink and sexual activity. Similarly, mentioning the name of Allaah before entering the toilet or taking off one’s clothes will prevent the jinn from seeing a person’s ‘awrah or harming him, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “To put a barrier that will prevent the jinn from seeing the ‘awrah of the sons of Aadam, let any one of you say ‘Bismillaah’ when entering the toilet.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 551; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3611).
Strength of faith and religion in general will also prevent the jinn from harming a person, so much so that if they were to fight, the one who has faith would win. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A man from among the Companions of Muhammad met a man from among the jinn. They wrestled, and the human knocked down the jinn. The human said to him, ‘You look small and skinny to me, and your forearms look like the front paws of a dog. Do all the jinn look like this, or only you?’ He said, ‘No, by Allaah, among them I am strong, but let us wrestle again, and if you defeat me I will teach you something that will do you good.’ The human said, ‘Fine.’ He said, ‘Recite, ‘Allaah! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Ever-living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists…’ [Aayat al-Kursi – al-Baqarah 2:255 – interpretation of the meaning]. The human said, ‘Fine.’ He said, ‘You will never recite this in your house but the Shaytaan will come out of it like a donkey breaking wind, and he will never come back in until the next morning.’” (Reported by al-Daarimi, 3247).
This is a brief summary about the jinn, and their nature and characteristics. Allaah is the Best of protectors and the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.
Read the footnote 1910 on the page.. it says “shaitan means rebelious people and also someone who is expert in anything”
This is very simple.. the kings or chiefs (like Pharoahs and Ceasers) and common people alike should obey God’s command..There is no difference in their status infront of God..
This has been presented in another post..by Mr. Islamabad:
“The story of how the first jinn of this ummah became Muslim was narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas, who said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out with a group of his Companions heading for the marketplace of ‘Ukaaz. This was when the shayaateen were prevented from getting any news from heaven, and shooting stars had been sent against them. The shayaateen went back to their people, who said, ‘What is the matter with you?’ They said, ‘We cannot get news from heaven, and shooting stars were sent against us.’ Their people said, ‘Nothing is stopping you from hearing news from heaven except some new event that must have happened. Go and look in the east and the west of the earth, and see if you can find out what it is that is stopping you from hearing news from heaven.’ Those who went out in the direction of Tihaamah came upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in Nakhlah, when he was on his way to ‘Ukaaz, and found him leading his Companions in Fajr prayer. When they heard the Qur’aan, they listened to it and said, ‘By Allaah, this is what is stopping us from hearing news from heaven.’ When they went back to their people, they said, ‘O our people, we have heard a wonderful Recital (the Qur’aan). It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allaah). [al-Jinn 72:2 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then Allaah revealed to His Prophet peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group of jinns listened (to this Qur’aan)…’ [al-Jinn 72:1], and Allaah revealed to him what the jinn had said.” (reported by al-Bukhaari, 731).”
Before Prophet :saw: the people who followed Torah were the followers of the true religion.. The Shyateen (people living in forieng lands) were those ahl e kitaab. the shooting stars are the signs from God to tell them the news of a prophet appointed. This is a clear indication that all sort of heavenly guidence was interrupted for them because the Apostle of Allah had been sent and it was only through him that God could be found.So they went to Ukaz and listened to Quran and accepted it..
Those were the Jinns (human beings of forieng lands)
Mr. Islamabad also posts this
so if Jinns are a seperate race, and their only purpose is to serve God and they have free will (as popular concepts) so why are they associated with every human.. does’nt that make them a specie bound to a certain purpose???
This Hadith means that every human has hidden desires (the source of human errors).. and they must be tamed to become a true muslim.
Jinn and Fire:
And the Jinn We created before that (the creation of man) from blasts of fire (naris-samum). 15:28
Here the adjective used to describe the nature of the particular fire from which the jinn were created is Samum, which means a blazing fire or a blast that has no smoke. 2 We find a similar statement in another Quranic verse:
And the Jinn He created from the flame of fire 55:16
Here Jinn are early life forms, which had been created thanks to “cosmic Radiations” (smokeless fire/naru sumum).
Flame of fire also refers to the volcanic fires.. where inhabited the first bacterial life forms known as “thermophyles” (the bacteria which love heat).. archaebacteria, could be rightly considered as the earliest form of organisms.
According to The Hutchinson Dictionary of Science:
'… the archaebacteria are related to the earliest life forms, which appeared about 4 billion years ago, when there was little oxygen in the Earth’s atmosphere
According to the accepted scientific studies, direct heat from fire had to play a vital role in the creation and maintenance of pre-biotic organisms. This, in fact was the only mode of transfer of energy for the consumption of organized forms of existence during this era. As they multiplied during their uninterrupted proliferation lasting over billions of years, their death must have polluted the oceans while they decayed and fermented turning the oceans into the primordial soup.
Note that Quran is talking about “creation” here..
Lets compare this with creation of Man.. which is out of Clay.. can you put your finger in water.. does it dissolve or go soft in it.. as it is made of clay..???
lets explore that meaning too..
One biologist strongly agrees with Quran
"‘…the adsorption of clays, muds and inorganic crystals are powerful means to concentrate and polymerize organic molecules…’
BARBIERI, M. (1985) The Semantic Theory of Evolution. Harwood Academic Publishers: p.86
Quran says:
With water did We create every living thing 21:31
He created man from dry ringing clay like pieces of pottery. 55:15
And, surely, We created man from dry ringing clay made from stagnant blackish mud. 15:27
Evolutionary biologists and biochemists have done alot in order to uncover the mysteries of creation.
Coyne, University of California, discussing the role of kaolinite clays in the early stages of chemical evolution, argues that they can gather energy from the environment, (by radioactive processes), store it, and then release it when the clay is suitably disturbed, by repeated wetting and drying. (CARINS-SMITH, A.G. (June, 1985) The First Organisms. Scientific American: p.100
So here scientists bear witness to the Hand of God in Creation.. as Quran says
Who has created seven heavens in stages. No incongruity can you see in the creation of the Gracious God. Then look again: Do you see any flaw?67:4
Aye, look again, and yet again, your sight will only return to you tired and fatigued.67:5
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Good information.......Impressed :biggthumb
Destino! WHy would Allah say"I created JINNS and HUMANS." What does humans mean…??? …Do you know…??? Is King Of Saudia Arabia not HUMAN (NAAS), is Bush not HUMAN (NAAS). I am amazed how people go in to such extreme depths to explain something according to their desires and needs. When Quran says “YA AYYU HAL LAZEENA AMANO” that means "People that have IMAN (JO IMAN LAEY). Does it distinguish between Women, Kings, Children…etc. Please I beg you do not argue just for the sake of it. Read it, think and ponder and if still you think this is right then follow it with all your might!!
Destino! I said the TRANSLATION of this Ayah is done in such a way the word “Shayateen” is not translated. There is a difference between translation and commentary. When you are translating something, especially Quran, you have a responsibility of accurately making the transition from one language to the other. On www.alislam.org there is a link for just the translation of Quran with no commentary. When some one that is not versed in the Arabic language reads the translation he/she does not know what is missing.They are being mislead.Why was it not found necessary to translate this word?? Go look at this link and the Ayah number again is 83.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/translation/21.html
Destino, your words were when a group of christians. Tell me where does it say that? and similarly where does it say that they were jews
Where did you get this from…
Are’nt you a master of free will…??? Don’t you serve GOD/Allah…??? Don’t you do evil…??? Did’nt Adam eat from the Tree and dis-obey Allah. (Allah Ahdeehum).
It is shameful that I am providing you with Ahadith and you are taking shelter in science to back up your arguements.
I am still confused as to what your trying to say about the Humans made of clay.
Yes it does! it does go soft and yes it does Decompose. What are you trying to get at…???
If Jinn are Human beings then why does Allah say Shaytan was from the Jinns…??? Keeep in mind that the only Human at that time was Adam.
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Ibn 'Abbas, may Allah be pleased with them, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to say: "O Allah, it is unto You that I surrender myself, I affirm my faith in You and repose my trust in You and turn to You in repentance and with Your help I fight my adversaries. O Allah, I seek refuge in You with Your Power; there is no god but You, lest You lead me astray. You are Ever-Living that dies not, while the Jinn and mankind die."
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim: 4894
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Why does in the above Hadith the NAAS (Humans) and JINNS ( so called Leaders) mentioned saperately...??
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Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A highly wicked one among the Jinn escaped yesternight to interrupt my Prayer, but Allah gave me power over him, so I seized him and intended to tie him to one of the pillars of the mosque in order that you, all together or all, might look at him, but I remembered the supplication of my brother Sulaiman: My Lord! Forgive me, and bestow upon me a kingdom such as shall not belong to any other after me Then Allah turned the Jinn in a state of humiliation.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim: 842
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Look at the above Hadith. Why would Prophet SAW tie him down...?? Why would he mention....EVIL OF THE JINNS...??? Why would'nt he just say....some person...???
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Al Jaami` Al Saheeh. Version 1.07 - By Imam Al Bukhari
1.583:
Narrated Abdur-Rahman:id Al-Khudri told my father, "I see you liking sheep and the wilderness. So whenever you are with your sheep or in the wilderness and you want to pronounce Adhan for the prayer raise your voice in doing so, for whoever hears the Adhan, whether a human being, a jinn or any other creature, will be a witness for you on the Day of Resurrection." Abu Sa`id added, "I heard it (this narration) from Allah's Apostle."
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Why would Prophet SAW say Human, Jinn or any other creature...???
(According to you this would be interpretted as Humans, Leaders or any other creatures).
*Al Jaami` Al Saheeh. Version 1.07 - By Imam Al Bukhari
5.206:
Narrated Abdullah binUmar:
I never heard Umar saying about something that he thought it would be so-and-so, but he was quite right. Once, whileUmar was sitting, a handsome man passed by him, Umar said, "If I am not wrong, this person is still on his religion of the pre-lslamic period of ignorance or he was their foreteller. Call the man to me." When the man was called to him, he told him of his thought. The man said, "I have never seen such a day on which a Muslim is faced with such an accusation."Umar said, "I am determined that you should tell me the truth." He said, "I was a foreteller in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance." Then Umar said, "Tell me the most astonishing thing your female Jinn has told you of." He said, "One-day while I was in the market, she came to me scared and said, 'Haven't you seen the Jinns and their despair and they were overthrown after their defeat (and prevented from listening to the news of the heaven) so that they (stopped going to the sky and) kept following camel-riders (i.e. 'Arabs)?"Umar said, "He is right." and added, "One day while I was near their idols, there came a man with a calf and slaughtered it as a sacrifice (for the idols). An (unseen) creature shouted at him, and I have never heard harsher than his voice. He was crying, 'O you bold evil-doer! A matter of success! An eloquent man is saying: None has the right to be worshipped except you (O Allah).' On that the people fled, but I said, 'I shall not go away till I know what is behind this.' Then the cry came again:'O you bold evil-doer! A matter of success! An eloquent man is saying: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah.' I then went away and a few days later it was said, "A prophet has appeared."
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Why would a Jinn be right there where you can here him but not see him...???
*Sahih Muslim. Version 1.03 - Translated by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui
Book 26, Number 5536:
'Urwa reported from 'A'isha that she said that people asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about the kahins. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: It is nothing (i. e. it is a mere superstition). They said: Allah's Messenger, they at times narrate to us things which we find true. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: That is a word pertaining to truth which a jinn snatches away and then cackles into the ear of his friend as the hen does. And then they mix in it more than one hundred lies.
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The above Hadith ash been narrated at least 3 or 4 different times with different narrators (meaning its a Qawi Hadith). How does a so called Leader get to know about something that is about to happen....???
*Fiqh-ul Sunnah. Version 1.05 - By Sayyid Saabiq
Qatadah related from 'Abdullah ibn Sarjas who said, "The Messenger of Allah forbade urination into a hole." Said Qatadah, "What is disliked about urinating into a hole?" Said he, "It is the residence of the jinn."
This hadith is related by Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, Abu Dawud, al-Hakim and al-Baihaqi. Ibn Khuzaimah and Ibn as-Sakin classified it as sahih.
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WHat kind of Leader lives in a whole...???
*once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it(i.e. the pot), the Prophet said, "Who is this?" He said, "I am Abu Huraira." The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung." Abu Huraira went on narrating: So I brought some stones, carrying them in the corner of my robe till I put them by his side and went away. When he finished, I walked with him and asked, "What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me--and how nice those Jinns were--and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them." Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200, Narrated Abu Huraira.
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What kind of Powerful Man eats Bones and cow dungs....???
*Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
Muhammad ibn AbuYahya said that his father told that he and his companion went to AbuSa'id al-Khudri to pay a sick visit to him. He said: Then we came out from him and met a companion of ours who wanted to go to him. We went ahead and sat in the mosque. He then came back and told us that he heard AbuSa'id al-Khudri say: The Apostle of Allah said: Some snakes are jinn; so when anyone sees one of them in his house, he should give it a warning three times. If it return (after that), he should kill it, for it is a devil.
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I had quoted a Hadith in the previous post about the types of Hadith which is concurrent with the above Hadith.
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Narration - Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214
Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani said: “The Messenger of Allaah said: ‘The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.” [Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu’l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh isnaad]
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Lastly I have a question for you to think about. Has it ever occured to you. Every time there is an issue which is limited to the Ahmadi school of thought it becomes confusing and vague. Take the meaning of Jinn=Powerful men, Evil doers, Un-seen poeple, Bacteria, Leaders...etc
The stature of Mirza Sahib=Mujaddid,second advent of Prophet SAW, second advent of Krishna,Nabi, Zilli Nabi, Buroozi Nabi, Ummait Nabi, Minhaj-e-Muhammad. Its like we are proving the theory of light some of the properties are explained by the wave theory and some with the quantam theory.
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Lastly I have a question for you to think about. Has it ever occured to you. Every time there is an issue which is limited to the Ahmadi school of thought it becomes confusing and vague. Take the meaning of Jinn=Powerful men, Evil doers, Un-seen poeple, Bacteria, Leaders...etc
The stature of Mirza Sahib=Mujaddid,second advent of Prophet SAW, second advent of Krishna,Nabi, Zilli Nabi, Buroozi Nabi, Ummait Nabi, Minhaj-e-Muhammad. Its like we are proving the theory of light some of the properties are explained by the wave theory and some with the quantam theory.
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This is only because you like the fairy tales better then reality.
LEts look at the ahadith.
Dung and bones are food for jinns
BActeria, harmfull organisms.. (gram posititve putrifying )
That is one meaning of jinn
Jinn and the news from heavens
These are the faculties of human minds..which are also Jinn.. (unseen).. The hadith which says that each person has a jinn associated with it.. so these qualities of human mind does enable some people to find the knowledge of the future.. which is allowed by God ofcourse.. but there are no Djinnies sneaking some piece of news like tabloid reporters lurking up around the stars..
snakes and jinn
The hadith which prohibits from urinating in holes as jinns live in them makes it crystal clear.. that snakes are called jinns as they live in hiding..
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This is only because you like the fairy tales better then reality.
LEts look at the ahadith.
Dung and bones are food for jinns
BActeria, harmfull organisms.. (gram posititve putrifying )
That is one meaning of jinn
Jinn and the news from heavens
These are the faculties of human minds..which are also Jinn.. (unseen).. The hadith which says that each person has a jinn associated with it.. so these qualities of human mind does enable some people to find the knowledge of the future.. which is allowed by God ofcourse.. but there are no Djinnies sneaking some piece of news like tabloid reporters lurking up around the stars..
snakes and jinn
The hadith which prohibits from urinating in holes as jinns live in them makes it crystal clear.. that snakes are called jinns as they live in hiding..
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The Hidayat is from Allah only! What can be said about you when you are denying the simple truth, simply because you give more value to your separate Jamaat and what its so called Krishnas ,Nabis, Zilli Nabis, Buroozi Nabi, Ummait Nabi, Minhaj-e-Muhammad..................say!!!!
Truth is very clear and open. If you do not accept it, then it is for your yourself and your "Ahmedi Division". The rest of the Ummah is separate from this!
"Yahdi Allah linorihi manYashaa"
Islamabad,
You're good at emotional speeches like the one you just gave, but when it comes to quoting the scriptures, you just copy and paste other websites. When someone comes up with a question, you leave the discussion and run away leaving behind a filmi monologue!
There are a lot of places where you incited me into an argument and when I did get into one, you ran away. For heavens sake, if you expect people tro believe in the 'guidance' you've got you've got to respect their intelligence.
Sincerely
Paagal Insaan
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This is only because you like the fairy tales better then reality.
LEts look at the ahadith.
Dung and bones are food for jinns
BActeria, harmfull organisms.. (gram posititve putrifying )
That is one meaning of jinn
Jinn and the news from heavens
These are the faculties of human minds..which are also Jinn.. (unseen).. The hadith which says that each person has a jinn associated with it.. so these qualities of human mind does enable some people to find the knowledge of the future.. which is allowed by God ofcourse.. but there are no Djinnies sneaking some piece of news like tabloid reporters lurking up around the stars..
snakes and jinn
The hadith which prohibits from urinating in holes as jinns live in them makes it crystal clear.. that snakes are called jinns as they live in hiding..
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Destino! Bravo! So the more twisted the answer is and the more non-concrete it is, the less fairy tailish it is. Wow! What a logic. So in that sense the physicists that claim to have no proper idea regardging the nature of light,should have couple of more theories and should stop working towards finding the truth of light (since it would be a fairy tale).
This is an average accepted phenomenon among humans (Leaders included), when some one changes there claims regarding anything more than once, they usually have no earthy clue as to what they are talking about. They come up with these petty lame excuses to save all the possible bases.
Destino! Let me tell you a little story, this is not something to shake your head when reading. Every time I pray and I go to bed. I ask Allah to guide me in the right path. I ask for HIDAYAT, I ask for the TAUFIQ to follow the right path. Regardless of what it is (it could be Christianity, Ahmadiyat, Shiasm...etc) I just ask for the right path. Because when the day arrives where I stand in front of Allah, its just goin to be me and HIM. I won't have a Khalifah to take my place. I won't have a family asking Allah to forgive me. My wealth and my riches won't be worth anything. The only thing that I will have to show and ask Heaven in return for would be my Belief and actions. This scares me coz I don't wana be wrong coz there will be no second chance to come back and fix all this. Doing something wrong while emmerced in ignorance is one thing, that can be forgiven but knowing that something was brought to my attention and I did not wana look in to it, would be dealt differently. You are well aware of the list of questions I have asked you from the Ahadith. You have answered only two or three of them. Which judging by your own answers and standards were un-satisfactory. I asked you....
about the translation, done wrong, I asked you twice about the Shaytan being from the Jinn and not prostrating. Was he a bacteria? was he un-seen? was he a Human leader? Keep in mind when Allah calls him from the Jinn HE (Allah) can see every thing.....and the list goes on. Please BROTHER I am not here to insult any one I my self am in dire need of forgiveness as I am human and to err is human. But think about these things read on your own, ponder, contemplate.
Perplexing,
Cut the speeches about hedayah and crap! You copy and paste verses or ahadith from other websites usually, without giving any reference to them. I have just realized you don't even thoroughly read those verses. It has happened before, that you had been asked questions about the refernces you quote, and you left the conversation. The same goes for your other friends.
I think I'll spend some time and seriously satisfy you!
-== ** It was Not shaytaan but Iblis who refused to bow to Adam ** ==-
And remember the time when we said to the angels `Submit to Adam, and they all submitted. But Iblis did not. He refused and deem himself too big; and he was of the disbelievers. (Koran, 2:34)
Kindly update your diary! The verses that you copy and paste on here, are meant to be read first, before being used as proofs against someone's faith. Your level of knowledge is that you can not name the character of the most repeated narration in the Koran, and you want to be a scholar and prove that other people are Kafir!
-== ** A Quiz For You - ''Djinn among Angels'' ** ==-
And remember the time when We said to the angels `Submit to Adam, and they all submitted. But Iblis did not. He refused and deem himself too big; and he was of the disbelievers. (Koran, 2:34)
And We indeed created you and then We gave you shape; and then We said to the angels, Submit to Adam; and they all submitted. But Iblis did not; he will not be of those who submit. God said,What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee ?' He said, `I am better than he. Thou hast created me of fire while him hast thou created of clay.' (Koran, 7:11,12)
And remember when thy Lord said to the angels, I am about to create man of dry wringing clay, of black mud wrought into shape: So when I fashioned him in perfection and have breath into him of My spirit, fall ye down in submission to him.' So the angels submitted, all of them together. But Iblis did not; he refused to be among those who submit. God said, O Iblis, what has happened to thee that thou wouldst not be among those who submit ?' He answered,I am not going to submit to a mortal whom Thou hast created of dry ringing clay, of black mud wrought into shape.' (Koran, 15:28-33)
And call to mind when We said to the angels, Submit to Adam,' and they all submitted. But Iblis did not. He said,Shall I submit to one whom Thou hast created of Clay ?' (17:61)
And remember when We said to the angels, `Submit to Adam,' and they all submitted. But Iblis did not. He refused to submit. (Koran, 20:116)
Call to mind when thy Lord said to the angels, I am about to create man from clay; `And so when I fashioned him in perfection, and have breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down into submission to him.' So the angels submitted, all of them together. But Iblis did not. He behaved proudly, and was of those who disbelieved. (38:71-74)
And call to mind the time when We said to the angels, `Submit to Adam,' and they all submitted but Iblis did not. He was one of the Djinn; and he disobeyed the command of his Lord. (Koran, 18:51)
Kindly explain through your great knwoledge and wisdom, what was a Djinn, a creature of fire, doing with Angels? Why was he expected to do what the angels were commanded to do? You may turn the question back on me, and claim a win. I will not answer this question. It is for you to think about and explain to all your fans including me. Let us find out if you actually thoroughly read the ayaat and ahadith you post here.
Getting to the Original Point:
-== The Creatures of Fire and Clay? ==-
Politely, for your kind information, it is an Arabic proverb, that when we say a person has been created of something, it signifies the nature of that person. Thus when we say someone has been created of fire, it means he is of non submissive nature, and when we say someone has been made of clay, it means he is submissive, since the clay can easily be moulded. I will hereby prove this from the Koran:
God says about Adam: "I am about to create man of dry wringing clay.." (15:28)
And about Iblis: "Thou hast created me of fire." (7:12)
If these are to be taken literally, then how will you explain:
About prophet Jesus: "HE created him out of dust" (3:59) - When we all know prophet Jesus was born to Mary.
"Man has been created weak." (4:28) -
"Man is created impatient." (70:19)
"Man is created of haste." (21:37)
Will you say 'haste' is some material man was created with? Or will you say man is hasty by nature? No need for further proofs I guess.
-== How to figure Out the Meaning of Djinn for Iblis? ==-
The best Tafseer of the Koran is through the Koran itself:
While 18:51 uses the words: "...but Iblis did not. He was one of the Djinn..."
The other verses narrate the same incidence by using the words:
- "...But Iblis did not. He refused and deem himself too big;" (2:34)
- "...But Iblis did not; he will not be of those who submit. " (7:11)
- "...But Iblis did not; he refused to be among those who submit." (15:31)
- "...But Iblis did not. He said, `Shall I submit to one whom Thou hast created of Clay ?' (17:61)
- "...But Iblis did not. He refused to submit." (20:116)
- "...But Iblis did not. He behaved proudly, and was of those who disbelieved."(38:74)
This makes it pretty clear what it means when Iblis is called a Djinn. It clearly shows that the term Djinn is being used for a person who is proud of himself and thus refuses to submit. This is exactly in accordance with the meaning of him being created of fire as explained above.
Listen! Jerk! I am not here to have a duel with you on some stupid ego-fueling match. If you really want to be barbaric, and flex your manhood, two can play this game. e-mail me on the private message with some whereabouts and I will speak your language. As far as you satisfying me, you could’nt satisfy your own **** if you wanted to. Now tone down that hollow drum of yours!!!
Has no one ever told you not to butt in when two people are talking, with your jabbar!!! (its not their fault, its you, not them).
As far as Hidayah goes you can’t do jack…
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52 And thus have We inspired in you (Muhammad) a Spirit of Our command. You did not know what the Scripture was, nor the Faith. But We have made it a Noor (light) whereby We guide whom We will of Our servants. And you do guide to the right path.
[Quran: Ash Shura Chapter 42]
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Copying and posting…??? You popped out of your Mama’s belly with all this knowledge??? you did’nt have to read any book and website. Thats why I can predict your damn answers before you even post them. They are word for ward from www.alislam.org (http://www.alislam.org/library/books/truth_prevails/chapter_3_section_8.html) this is the exact link to be precise.
ok I seem to be having a problem. I can not place arabic text in this post. Secondly I tried to save it to a word document and then tried to upload that it would'nt allow me to do that either.
Nice way to reply to verses of the Koran! 
I was expecting this to happen very soon.
The site you have mentioned does not contain any article about the Djinn, and the book you have mentioned is about the claim of prophethood of Mirza Saheb, and not about Djinn and Iblis.
Kindly reply to the Djinn argument.
and yeah by the way! it was a reply to you not the VERSES!
I did refer to the Topic of Mirza Sahib being a Prophet and the one for the Jinn is the following!
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_3.html
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-== It was Not shaytaan but Iblis who refused to bow to Adam ==-
And remember the time when we said to the angels `Submit to Adam, and they all submitted. But Iblis did not. He refused and deem himself too big; and he was of the disbelievers. (Koran, 2:34)
Kindly update your diary! The verses that you copy and paste on here, are meant to be read first, before being used as proofs against someone's faith. Your level of knowledge is that you can not name the character of the most repeated narration in the Koran, and you want to be a scholar and prove that other people are Kafir!
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Look at my previous posts and see what I have posted as......( I will COPY and PASTE it again)
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YUSUFALI: Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except **Iblis.He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!
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The verses say IBLIS
Your objection was to my using the word **Shaytan* interchangeably with Iblis.....
Look at the following this is from the Book Lisan-ul-Arab
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Look at this one...... (this is from the SharH Bukhari).
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One would observe, that by putting the Devil in to the English to Arabic dictionary. The folowing words are generated....
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Look at the following Hadith.
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-----I HOPE THATS ENOUGH JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT----