I will get back to on the rest. We average people have to read and have other resposibilites. I would advise you not to make petty remarks, if I am late with something. You are here at your own will.No one is asking you to stick around if you don't want to. If am taking time to answer something, its because I am busy!!!!
As for the running way from the other topic (Narrators, Gradual revealment) I will be back!
The book you have accused me to copy, does not contain the verses that I posted on here. Kindly avoid misleading information.
After the language you have used, I do not want to debate with you about this topic or any other.
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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *
The book you have accused me to copy, does not contain the verses that I posted on here. Kindly avoid misleading information.
After the language you have used, I do not want to debate with you about this topic or any other.
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Hahahahaha! ( I wonder whats the real reason, as the language was already there and even then I was asked to reply to the Djinn argument).
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Nice way to reply to verses of the Koran!
I was expecting this to happen very soon.
The site you have mentioned does not contain any article about the Djinn, and the book you have mentioned is about the claim of prophethood of Mirza Saheb, and not about Djinn and Iblis.
Kindly reply to the Djinn argument.
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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *
Islamabad,
You're good at emotional speeches like the one you just gave, but when it comes to quoting the scriptures, you just copy and paste other websites. When someone comes up with a question, you leave the discussion and run away leaving behind a filmi monologue!
There are a lot of places where you incited me into an argument and when I did get into one, you ran away. For heavens sake, if you expect people tro believe in the 'guidance' you've got you've got to respect their intelligence.
Sincerely
Paagal Insaan
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You deny Quran openly and try to make tahreef!!!
Never did I run away from a discussion! As far as copying is concerned, we are no scholars, and have to take support from books or the internet. The fact is that it really hurts you when you see the truth and surely its hard to believe the great lies your so called messiahs and khalifas told.
As far as the existence of Jinns is concerned, I have met one physically!!!! It must be hard for you to believe. He was no bacteria!!! A true Jinn!!!!
Jinn and Shaytan are used in the same context in many Ahadith.. and Shaytan also has other meanings.. (other then devil).. try finding it in a dictionary
Destino! I did not present those Ahadith to show that they (Jinn, Shaytan) are presented in the same cotext. Those words next to each other are not there for that mere purpose, get them translated and then tell me what you think!
While your at that let me throw another Hadith at you and see if what you come up with. Keeping in view the meaning of Jinn according to you.
Note: The word Shaytan is contratsed with the word Angels. (Not humans).
The best Tafseer of the Koran is through the Koran itself:
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While 18:51 uses the words: "...but Iblis did not. He was one of the Djinn..."
The other verses narrate the same incidence by using the words:
This makes it pretty clear what it means when Iblis is called a Djinn. It clearly shows that the term Djinn is being used for a person who is proud of himself and thus refuses to submit. This is exactly in accordance with the meaning of him being created of fire as explained above.
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What was he (Iblis) doing, being made or born before Adam, since Adam was the first Man created by Allah.
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-== The Creatures of Fire and Clay? ==-
God says about Adam: "I am about to create man of dry wringing clay.." (15:28)
And about Iblis: "Thou hast created me of fire." (7:12)
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Mr. Paga| |nsan. No need to reply to these posts I just wanted to show the people your attmept to enlighten every one. Notice that in the above posts Allah has says ""I am about to create man of dry wringing clay.." (15:28)
. The word is a translation of the word in arabic "MIN". That means of something, from something.
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If these are to be taken literally, then how will you explain:
About prophet Jesus: "HE created him out of dust" (3:59) - When we all know prophet Jesus was born to Mary.
"Man has been created weak." (4:28) -
"Man is created impatient." (70:19)
"Man is created of haste." (21:37)
Will you say 'HASTE' is some material man was created with? Or will you say man is hasty by nature? No need for further proofs I guess.
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No! I will not say that HASTE is some material, you know why??? Becoz Allah is talking about the NATURE of man. Its a state. WEAK.HASTY...etc. It never says I have created man from WEAKNESS or HASTINESS.
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-== A Quiz For You - ''Djinn among Angels'' ==-
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As far as this is concerned, this is something, there is not alot mentiuoned in the Quran,about. But the scholars have tried to link the dots and come up with a conclusion but Allah knows best. This conclusion can be read at any website or tasfseer of Quran. Search on Jinn.
Perplexing, take your time and gather your information first, then present it in a meaningful form stating clearly the point you want to make out of it. Your replies are confused and irrelevent.
--= Hadith & Djinn =--
You narrated:
''Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When you hear the crowing of the cock, ask Allah for His favor as it sees Angels and when you listen to the braying of the donkey, seek refuge in Allah from the Satan for it sees Satan.''
You want a comment, ''Keeping in view the meaning of Jinn according to you.'' Where in this hadith is a Djinn mentioned? How does it relate to the meaning of Djinn? There is no Djinn mentioned or referred to in this hadith. The angels that incite to good and the Satan that incites to evil have been mentioned in this hadith. No mention of Djinn has been made anywhere in this Hadith. It seems as if while copying and pasting you've mistakenly posted the wrong hadith and forgot to read it.
--= Satan & Iblis =--
Each time the Koran mentions the name of Iblis in the context of the incident of his refusal to sumbit to Adam, it also mentions Satan seperately as someone who misled Adam & Eve into a sin. This is ample proof that the two are different entities.
--= Adam the First Human Being? =--
The belief that Adam was the first man on earth can be traced from the bible and is a christian belief. Koran does not say Adam was the first human being, it however calls Adam the first prophet on earth. Human beings were created as a process of evolution. You will not find anything to the effect of Adam being the first man, in the Koran. You did quote, 'The best Tafseer of the Koran is through the Koran itself' but never quoted any verse from the Koran where it said Adam was the first man, or where it suggested creation rather than evolution.
--= ** Your Enlightening Post ** =--
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''I am about to create man of dry wringing clay..''
The word is a translation of the word in arabic "MIN". That means of something, from something.
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If you had read this verse from the Koran you would've known this verse also uses the word ''MIN''. You continue with your habbit of commenting on verses that you haven't read even once. The word ''MIN'' in this verse should mean exactly the same as the word in other verses, which means if this verse is talking about the nature of man, then the verses about creation from fire and clay should also mean they are about the nature of the created being. This is in accordance with the proverb of arabic language.
--= ** Your Quiz Score ** =--
Wow, you were trying to find the easy way out. Blame your shortcomings on God. ''Its him who was unclear, otherwise I have perfect intellect.'' The fact is that the Koran has addressed this issue pretty clearly. It is only that you copy and paste the 'scholars' and do not attempt to read yourself.
Your score: ZERO
Your grade: F
Mister Paga| |Insaan, I thought you were not going to participate in any further discussions. (lolz) Well I see a pattern here of changing CLAIMS. Well to begin with, I will strongly advise you not to post your childish fantasies of being a Teacher and grading. This is a religious form, I would higly recommend you to keep your moronic comments to your self and use them some where else. If you still have an urge to carry on this behavior, I have previously posted in response,directions to deal with those urges, follow those!
(Don't be hasty I'm posting the answers to your arguements in the next post).
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--= Hadith & Djinn =--
You narrated:
''Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When you hear the crowing of the cock, ask Allah for His favor as it sees Angels and when you listen to the braying of the donkey, seek refuge in Allah from the Satan for it sees Satan.''
You want a comment, ''Keeping in view the meaning of Jinn according to you.'' Where in this hadith is a Djinn mentioned? How does it relate to the meaning of Djinn? There is no Djinn mentioned or referred to in this hadith. The angels that incite to good and the Satan that incites to evil have been mentioned in this hadith. No mention of Djinn has been made anywhere in this Hadith. It seems as if while copying and pasting you've mistakenly posted the wrong hadith and forgot to read it.
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Palga| |nsan, before hastily jumping in to conclusions please read the previous post (Ahadith in Arabic) that I have posted about Satan and Iblis (one of the Jinns, being from the same line of creatures).
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--= Adam the First Human Being? =--
The belief that Adam was the first man on earth can be traced from the bible and is a christian belief. Koran does not say Adam was the first human being, it however calls Adam the first prophet on earth. Human beings were created as a process of evolution. You will not find anything to the effect of Adam being the first man, in the Koran. You did quote, 'The best Tafseer of the Koran is through the Koran itself' but never quoted any verse from the Koran where it said Adam was the first man, or where it suggested creation rather than evolution.
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In just about every issue previously discussed, I was given sources from the Bible, for the validity of the claim. Now that the claim is not con-current with the Bible, I am told that this is a christian belief. What about the rest of the beliefs...???
The fact of the matter is that this is just not a christian belief its also found in Judiasm.....
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"Adam" - Original Man; first human being created by G-d. He is created "B'tzelem Elokim," "in the image of G-d." One of the meanings of this is that he has "bechirah chof****," free will, and therefore the ability to choose between "Tov," that which is good, and "Ra," that which is evil.
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---------------Adam--First Human---------------
a.) Ahadith.
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The above Hadith says ALL HUMANS (Naas) are of Adam and Adam was of dust.
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The one above has a different chain of Narration and says the same thing. "ALL HUMANS (Naas) are of Adam and Adam was of dust."
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This one says "Humans (NAAS) are of birth/son of Adam and he was of dust.
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In the one above it says that the people on the left and right were his off springs and they were from HELL and HEAVEN respectively. Where were the rest of them...??? They had to be in either heaven or Hell.
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The following is the Hadith in english.
*Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah has preordained the very portion of adultery which a man (the son of Adam) will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look; the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech; and the heart yearns and desires, while the loins may or may not put into effect.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim [Arabic only]: 4801
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So according to your philisophy ZINA was not a problem for the Humans before Adam.
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Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "The son of Adam (i.e. man) grows old and so also two (desires) grow old with him, i.e., love for wealth and (a wish for) a long life."
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So these desires were not found in the humans before Adam?
b.) Quran.
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36:60 alam a'Åhad ilaykum yaa baniy aadama al laa ta'Åbudush shayTaan* in-nahuu lakum 'Aduw-wum mubiyn
Yusuf Ali:
"Did I not enjoin on you, O ye Children of Adam, that ye should not worship Satan; for that he was to you an enemy avowed?
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So can the Humans before Adam worship Satan since Satan was there before Adam or does this apply to all Humanity which is after Adam.
Allah when ever addresses the whole Humanity he uses the words BANI ADAM. This tradition is carried out in Hadith and so is it in common Arabic Language conversations.
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--= Your Enlightening Post =--
''I am about to create man of dry wringing clay..''
The word is a translation of the word in arabic "MIN". That means of something, from something.
If you had read this verse from the Koran you would've known this verse also uses the word ''MIN''. You continue with your habbit of commenting on verses that you haven't read even once. The word ''MIN'' in this verse should mean exactly the same as the word in other verses, which means if this verse is talking about the nature of man, then the verses about creation from fire and clay should also mean they are about the nature of the created being. This is in accordance with the proverb of arabic language.
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Yes! If there is a material called HASTE then yeah its not talking about the nature. The rest of the Ayahs have one thing in common they are talking about some material CLAY,DUST. Read the whole passage.
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YUSUFALI: Man is a creature of haste: soon (enough) will I show you My Signs; then ye will not ask Me to hasten them!
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YUSUFALI: They say: "When will this promise come to pass, if ye are telling the truth?"
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YUSUFALI: If only the Unbelievers knew (the time) when they will not be able to ward off the fire from their faces, nor yet from their backs, and (when) no help can reach them!
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It is talking about how they were hasty for asking the Prophets that if he is true and they are indeed wrong then where is the wrath of God? Thats why the word MIN still holds its meaning its "FROM haste". The word MIN is not a condition of it being a metaerial. Its whats its FROM in this case its from HASTINESS in the other cases its CLAY and DUST or CLOT.
Now can you tell me what ever happened to the other verses quoted by you.
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--------------IF ADAM IS NOT THE FIRST HUMAN---------------
Why would Allah make angels prostrate in front of Adam if he was'nt the first Human.
Why would Allah say he is sending his Khalifah to earth.
*Why would the angle say that he (the Khalifah) will start blood shedding.
*Why would Hawa be born out of his rib. There were other Humans why could'nt she have a mother and a father.
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The Quran starts off with the story of Adam with details of his creation and then Huwa's creation which was from Adam. Then it talks about how they were living in heaven (was there any other Human there). It talks about how they were sent down to earth because of their sin. Its like a chian of events that point to the fact that there was no person before Adam. Like I have said in the early posts its like coming up with different theories to conveniently accord them wilth all the different conditions arising. Does'nt matter if they can be backed up by Quran or Hadith but a way will be found to make them fit to the situation and if not then the meaning of the word or the claim will be changed, leading to several different theories and meanings.
** I have given you some examples of how one can allude to the fact that the first Human was Adam. Now can you give me an example from the Quran or Hadith that suggests other wise. No stories from Daily Telegraph London (reproduced in Sydney Morning Herald 12th February 1997) about foot prints in Chile.**
PART 1
-== Creation from Clay & Fire ==-
ooO Defying yout Logic Ooo
The arabic proverb weakens your stance and you resort to gimmickry. Once I pointed out the use of the proverb in the Koran, you conveniently blamed the difference of meaning on the lack of the word min, and when I referred to similar phrase which does use the word min you have taken two positions which are mutually contradictory. This however is not the only argument in which you fail to stick to a permanent logical stance. I will hereby analyse both your positions:
1- You insist that the verse that does use the word min and must be comprehended proverbially. You justify your argument by stating a rule that if the material of creation is a concrete object, we should take the literal meaning, and if the material of creation if an abstract object, we should take the proverbial meaning. This rule is not compatible with the use of the phrase in Koran. Since we are only talking about the Djinn, for the sake of keeping this argument from expanding beyond comprehension, I will only relate your rule to the creation of Djinn and point out the incompatibility. It has been said about the Djinn, that they were created from fire. Fire is not a concrete object, but an abstract one. So, as you have insisted, this verse should be comprehended proverbially because fire is an abstract object and not a concrete one. This proves my theorem of the proverbial meaning of the creation of the Djinn from fire. I will not be surprised if, in your next post, you noe try and prove that fire is a concrete object. You will not only defy highschool chemistry by making such a claim but will also invite mockery at yourself and your religion.
In case you try to 'escape' this verse by leaving the argument on the creation of Djinn and talk of the clay that man was created with as being a material object, I will consider that foul since that will only defy your own rule! I did not present that rule of abstract and concrete materials of creation, and I do not believe in it. It was you who came up witht that rule, and according to it you can not justify you stance on the creation of Djinn from fire literally. If the creation of men from clay contradicts this rule of yours, it belongs to you to justify your rule.
2- You have also contradicted your previous stance and incited me to go back and discuss the other verses which do not contain the word min. My only reply is, it is you who ignored those verses on the basis that they do not contain the word min. I still maintain the point for which I posted them. It is you who considered them invalid in this argument and it is you who came up with the min-argument. If you want to discuss those verses as well, take back your min condition and come up with a suitable justification of those verses I posted. I still insist on them, it is you who chose to discard them. You also discarded one other verse which did contain the word min which I will now point out.
ooO Strengthening my Stance Ooo
1- Your forumula of the abstract/concrete materials of creation can also not explain the following verse, which I had posted earlier but you chose to ignore despite the fact that it fulfilled the condition of using the word min. It has been said about prophet Jesus: "HE created him out of dust" (Koran, 3:59) The same verse also claims similarity of prophet Jesus with prophet Adam, by saying, "Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam." Dust is a material object, and according to your formula, this verse should be comprehended literally for prophet Jesus rather than proverbially. This however is against common observation and other verses of the Koran. Elsewhere in the Koran it says that Jesus was born to Mary. There is no way out but to believe that this verse should be comprehended proverbially, since we know prophet Jesus was born to his mother, and was not created literally from dust. This defies your formula, and strengthens my point, since this verse claims a similarity between Jesus and Adam, Adam must also be comprehended to be born to his mother literally, but created of dust proverbially.
If you try to escape this verse by saying the word 'Him' in this verse has been used for Adam, this will not be considered valid since the verse also claims similarity between Adam and Jesus, thus, no matter who you take this 'him' to point to, both the prophets share what has been said about either of them. If they were created from dust literally, Jesus would not have been born to marry, so it is for sure that we take this proverbially for Jesus, and this makes us conclude that it also must be used proverbially for prophet Adam.
If you try to escapte this verse using yet another point, that the similarity between the prophets has been claimed because both of them were created without a father, this will be absurd because then 'creation from dust' will mean 'creation without a father', which will be against your formula discussed above, and you have not come up with this meaning of creation earlier. If you do switch to it, this will be a proverbial meaning, and it will then leave you in no position to say that the creation of Djinn from fire should also not be taken proverbially.
2- The verse I discussed above implies that Adam was created of dust. You have also accepted that in your posts. However, other verses imply the creation of man from clay. You have accepted that in your posts as well. However, dust and clay are two different materials, both being concrete materials. If according to your formula, we take both of the verses literally, then this will be a contradiction among the two verses. How do you justify this contradiction without accepting the proverbial meaning of these verses?
PART 2
-== The Difference Between Satan & Iblis ==-
You insist that Satan & Iblis are two different names for the same Djinn. The truth is that Iblis was one person in history, who refused to submit to prophet Adam, whereas Satan is a force in humans that drives him towards evil deeds. Iblis may be called a 'Satan' metaphorically, because he made it a point to incite people to rebellion and evil deeds, but Satan does not mean Iblis. Iblis was one person and Satan is another metaphor, and your attempt at trying to mix them is not going to work. I shall hereby prove that by showing that in almost every occurence of the word Iblis in the Koran, Satan has been mentioned as a seperate entity from Iblis.
1- And remember the time when WE said to the angels Submit to ADAM,' and they all submitted. But **Iblis** did not. He refused and deem himself too big; and he was of the disbelievers. And when WE saidO Adam, dwell thou and thy wife in the garden, and eat therefrom plentifully where ever you will, but approach not this tree, least you be of the wrongdoers.' But Satan caused them both to slip by means of it and drove them out of the state in which they were. And WE said, `Go forth hence; some of you are enemies of others and for you there is an abode in the earth and a provision for a time.' (Koran, 2:35-37)
The Satan has been mentioned seperately from Iblis, and as I had mentioned, Iblis is the guy who refused to submit to prophet Adam, whereas Satan is what attracted prophet Adam towards the forbidden. The difference is pretty clear. This verse totally rejects them being the same. This and all other occurences of this narration which mention both the incident of refusal to submission, and the incident of inciting Adam upon evil, you will see Iblis being associated to the former, and Satan being associated to the latter. There will be no change in this throughout the Koran.
Submit to Adam; and they all submitted. But **Iblis** did not; he will not be of those who submit. God said,What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee ?' He said, I am better than he. Thou hast created me of fire while him hast thou created of clay.' God said,Then go down hence; it is not for thee to be arrogant here. Get out; thou art certainly of those who are abased.' He said, Respite me till the day when they will be raised up.' God said,Thou art of those who are respited.' He said, Now, since Thou hast adjudge me to be erring, I will assuredly lie in wait for them on Thy straight path;Then will I surely come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right and from their left, and Thou wilt not find most of them to be grateful. God said, **Get out hence, despised and banished**. Whosoever of them shall follow thee, I will surely fill Hell with you all;' .O Adam ! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden and eat therefrom wherever you will, but approach not this tree lest you be among the wrongdoers. But satan made evil suggestions to them so that he might make known to them what was hidden from them of their shame and said, Your Lord has only forbidden you this tree, lest you become angels or lest you become of the immortals.' And he swore to them, saying,Surely I am a sincere counsellor unto you.' So he caused them to fall into disobedience by deceit. And when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them and they both began to cover themselves with the leaves of the Gardens. And their Lord called them, saying, `Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you, verily Satan is to you an open enemy ?' (Koran, 7:11-22) This passage again, narrates the incident of the refusal to submit and associates it to one called Iblis, whereas the one that incites Adam upon evil, is called Satan. How can a banished Iblis return and enter the Garden of Eden? The verse clearly says Iblis was banished whereas Adam was sent to the Garden of Eden. How did Iblis get back into the Garden? The fact is, it wasn't Iblis because God doesn't say it was Iblees, god says it is Satan, which is only the force that urges one upon evil deeds. This Satan could be the Nafs of Adam, or it could be some from among the men of his times, but it was not Iblees, the banished. That is why god says 'Satan' and not Iblis.
Submit to Adam,' and they all submitted. But **Iblis** did not. He refused to submit. Then WE said,O Adam, this is an enemy to thee and to thy wife; so let him not drive you both out of the garden, lest thou come to grief; It is decreed for thee that thou shalt not hunger therein nor shalt thou be naked;And that thou shalt not thirst therein, nor shall thou be exposed to the sun.' But Satan whispered evil suggestions to him. He said, `O Adam, shall I direct thee to the tree of eternity, and to a kingdom that never decays ?' (Koran, 20:116-120)Why is it that you do not, for even once, see the word 'Satan' being used for the person that refuse submission, and Iblis for whosoever incited them upon sin? Why is it always the other way round? Why is this not ample evidence to prove that Iblis & Satan are not interchangable like you think they are? If something happens once or twice, we can call it a co incidence, but when it happens each and every single time, we have no choice but to accept it is a rule!
Secondly, if Satan was Iblis who was a Djinn, why doesn't he ever die? Do the Djinn live forever? How does this agree to "WE granted not everlasting life to any mortal" (Koran: 21:34)
"And Satan desires to lead them far astray." (Koran, 4:60) None of us ever talk to any Djinn named Iblis, yet we all commit sins. Does it not suggest that Satan is a metaphor much deeper than you are trying to make it sound like?
It has been said that Iblis will be cast in hell, for exaple: "Then will they be thrown headlong therein, they and those who have gone astray, And the Hosts of Iblis, all together." (Koran, 26:94,95) If Iblis is a Djinn made of fire, how will the fire of hell affect him? Will he not be even happier?
"They invoke besides HIM none but lifeless objects, and they invoke none but Satan the rebellious." (Koran, 4:118) It is a fact that none of the unbelivers or sinners invoke a Djinn named Iblis. It is the Nafs that we invoke and follow. so it hasbeen said: "O ye who believe ! wine and the game of chance and idols and divining arrows are only the abomination of Satan's handiwork. So shun each one of them that you may prosper." (Koran, 5:90) Wine, gambling, idols and divine arrows are practices carried out by men, and not by any phantoms or ghosts made of fire. These activities are carried out when we follow our Nafs.
The Final Decisive Verse: "And WE have guarded it against the intrusion of every rejected Satan." (Koran, 15:17) If there is just one Satan, a Djinn named Iblis, why has the Koran mentioned more than one rejected Satans using the word 'every'? This verse leaves you no choice but to believe that Iblis was one person who refused to submit to prophet Adam, whereas Satan is a profound metaphor that can be used for a vast number of things, and there can be more than one Satan, as depicted in the verse I quoted.
For the sake of not prolonging my post too much, I am skipping some more questions on your concept of Satan. The verse I posted above should be enough for anyone to see the obvious.
-== The Creation of Man through Evolution ==-
Denying evolution is an obvious mistake. Refusing to accept the most obvious phenomenon of life that still continues to manifest its importance on life, does harm to the religion you preach. Not only is the biblical concept of 'creation' as opposed to 'evolution' against common observation, but also against the teachings of the Koran.
The Koran clearly states that Human beings were created as a process of evolution. When they had reached a suitable state, only then, prophet Adam was descended as the first prophet on earth.
ooO Creation of Man Through Evolution Ooo
This verse clearly states man has been created through evolution.
The fact is that the verses which you mistakenly comprehend to mean Adam was the first human being, actually talk of evolution too:
"And WE indeed (1) created you and then (2)WE gave you shape; and (3)then WE said to the angels, `Submit to Adam; and they all submitted. But Iblis did not; he will not be of those who submit. (Koran, 7:11)
The above verse lists three steps that I have marked. These are: (1) Creation, (2) Evolution and (3) The descent of Adam. The second step of evolution has been denoted by the phrase Sawwarnaakum. These steps show that men had been created before Adam, and Sawwarnaakum depicts they had gone through long stages of evolution, until finally Adam was descended as the first prophet. The next verse makes this clearer:
"And remember when thy Lord said to the angels, (1)I am about to create man of dry wringing clay, of black mud wrought into shape: So (2)when*I fashioned him in perfection* and (3)have breath into him of MY spirit, fall ye down in submission to him.'" (Koran, 15:28,29)
The three stages that I had marked in earlier verse are also very clearly and distinctly mentioned in this verse. The first one being the creation of man and not that of Adam. The second step was the evolution, which has here been described in the words Sawwayytohu. The verse states that only after this perfection has taken place, God will breath his spirit into man. The proverb 'breathing the spirit' have been used elsewhere in the Koran for giving revelation. Thus only when evolution had made man suitable enough to be given a prophet, God chose Adam as his first prophet and he experienced the words of Allah through revelation.
"Call to mind when thy Lord said to the angels, (1)I am about to create man from clay; `And so (2)when I fashioned him in perfection, and (3)have breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down into submission to him.' So the angels submitted, all of them together." (Koran, 38:71-73)
This verse also clearly states the three stages, creation, evolution, and revelation. This leaves no doubt that man was created through evolution and there existed huma beings before Adam, for if there weren't any, why would God send a prophet?
ooO Khalifa on Eath Ooo
The Koran narrates God saying about Adam, "I am about to place a vicegerent Khalifa in the earth" (Koran, 2:30) You say that this means Adam is the first human being on earth. This however isn't an obvious conclusion at all. On the other hand, the use of the word Khalifa makes it very clear that prophet Adam was the first Prophet on earth and not the first human. Please note:
Since the same phrase has been used for prophet David as well, and we know that prophet David was not the first man on earth, the use of the phrase for prophet Adam should also not mean he was the first man on earth. The phrase when used for David, means he was a prophet, and so its use for Adam should also mean the same.
ooO Eve Born From Adam's Rib? Ooo
The Koran does not say Eve was created from Adam's Rib. There is a Hadith in Sahih Bokhari that you might have read and mistaken it for the Koran. The Hadith however, does not say Eve was created of the Rib, it says Woman is created of Rib. It also does not say woman is created from Adam's rib, it says Woman is created from Rib. The Hadith is:
"Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said, "The woman is created from Rib;"
I have already discussed in detail what we mean when we say someone has been 'created from' something. This Hadith uses the same proverb. Before getting angry, try to take a look at the rest of the Hadith, which speaks for itself as to what it means:
"Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said, "The woman has been created from Rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness."
(AbuHurayrah, Bokhari, 7.113)
The Hadith pretty descriptively explains what it means when it is said, 'Woman is created from rib'. It means woman is like a rib. The rest of the Hadith explains how a women is like a rib! It pretty much leaves you with no choice but to believe in the proverbial meaning of the phrase. And remember, a 'rib' is a concrete material, which means the rule you came up with, is absolutely wrong.