Is hearing about a man who was killed any worse/better than hearing about a woman who was killed?
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Re: how many of you personally know of any honor killing ?
^ murder is a murder, whether of a guy or a girl ... that was a gut reaction to all the girl-killing ... since that is really a forerunner of such news!
Re: how many of you personally know of any honor killing ?
I believe in honour killings.
Did i say only muslims do that? I said only sick people can commit such crimes and YOU said you can totally understand why someone would do something like that when your children disobey.
quote me where i said that.
So u mean normal ppl from other religions don't kill?
You said that. Stop trying to find excuses for horrendous acts. You are sick in the head if you think its justfiable to kill rather than disown.
I believe in honour killings.
i hope that was said in all your sarcasm possible!
Here’s another one, don’t know if this man survived in the end tho, I remember it being on the news a while ago:
Cheating wife could face ‘honour killing’ after acid is poured down her lover’s throat | Mail Online
You said that. Stop trying to find excuses for horrendous acts. You are sick in the head if you think its justfiable to kill rather than disown.
Tammy if u don't know how to participate in a discussion in a civil way then don't. but stop butting in my posts n being so judgemental. in another thread u called me racist now u calling me sick!!! i won't take it from u any more. baat kernay ki tameez na ho tu chup reho!!!!
Re: how many of you personally know of any honor killing ?
accha accha…calm down ladies…
here, 1 for each of you
So u mean normal ppl from other religions don't kill? in just calgary in last one yr there hav been so many murders( both individual and whole family) and not even one was caused by a muslim. whole families found dead in their home, police fnds no evidence of any one entering the house.police suspects mom or dad killed kids n then themselves. n many of these cases r happening to normal ppl. neighbour found them a very happy family. u need to increase ur knowledge of the world b4 u jump on things by saying normal ppl do this n don't do that. sirf known criminals he crime nahin kertay. many murderers don't hav previous police record and were Shareef ppl of the society.
Mabrook not having a previous record does not mean that a person has a healthy out look of life or their neurotransmitters are working properly. Many psychopaths live quite a "normal" life until one day something just snap.
As for honor killing cases, they are not acts of sudden out burts of anger. They are cold calculated preplanned first degree murders. I can't see how people who can plan to kill their own kids are not sick.
Tammy if u don't know how to participate in a discussion in a civil way then don't. but stop butting in my posts n being so judgemental. in another thread u called me racist now u calling me sick!!! i won't take it from u any more. baat kernay ki tameez na ho tu chup reho!!!!
Mabrook, you said that sometimes its easier to kill your kids rather than disown them. How is that not being sick?
When i asked you this :So you're saying that its hard to disown your child, but very easy to kill her?
Your reply was:
^ sometimes yes. remember how moms sometimes cry"is se tu achcha tha tum mar jatay. ye din tu daikhna na parta"
Re: how many of you personally know of any honor killing ?
I am not saying that you will be doing something like that in real life but the fact that you somehow think that it's the victims fault is just shocking. No one deserves this and its NOT human nature to kill your own flesh and blood
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Re: how many of you personally know of any honor killing ?
"is se tu achcha tha tum mar jatay. ye din tu daikhna na parta"
"beyah ker apnay ghar ja rahi ho, ab tumhara janaza he wapas ana chahiye"
these things are never said literally. just a messed up, harsh way of saying something that has a meaning. in the case of the second one ... k apni shaadi nibhao ... maslay mat peda karo ..
in case of the first one .. to give words to ones disappointment in all the hardship and sacrifice the parents went through to raise the most loved being of their life - their child.
Re: how many of you personally know of any honor killing ?
we cannot solve social problems by just saying this is sick and that's not.
we hav to look deep into the problem to see why its happening n continuing to increase. wat r the factors involved and how this could b stopped.
When mom says" mur kyoon nahin jtay..." its temporary. when its goes beyond tolerance ppl take measure steps. even though they might regret later.
for me i already said that i don't think the girls r always innocent n all clean. its both side's equal fault. the murderers r wrong so r most of these girls.
there should be some sort of counselling for problem, rebellious kids. most kids start showing pattern behaviour at young age which becomes serious as they grow n find more freedom. since sometimes ppl find them too contrained by law in discipling these kids they end up making extreme choices.
There was a thread here a 14 yrs dating a 11 yrs. now if the parents of these kids will try to stop them these kids will resist to their most. Obviously they can't disown them. Social services will get involved, relatives won't be quite. So they'll keep on solving the issue with their best resources. Now not all end up killing them but some might depending on their own personal strengths and core values.
If a person kills someone just out of blue or for fun, money, sex etc that could be sick but if parents killing kids they gav birth n raised with all love then there's extreme measure issues involved. they cannot be just labelled as sick or abnormal. they r helpless families that need serious help. Islamic organizations who collect zakat and donations whole time should come forward and do something abt this. i don't fall for the trap of just blaming one party and sympathizing with other.i try to see whole picture.
sometimes yes it could one party that is totally wrong or too extreme and conservative.
Islamically u r not allowed to kill any one not even ur unborn, undeveloped child. but then u r not allowed to disobey ur parents and go against their wishes. Kids can do watever they want, marry whoever they want is just westernized version of islam. they r not. Islamically If ur dad n mom r not happy with u Allah is simply not happy with u. for me this is enough reason for both parties to be wrong.
for me i already said that i don't think the girls r always innocent n all clean. its both side's equal fault. the murderers r wrong so r most of these girls.
there should be some sort of counselling for problem, rebellious kids. most kids start showing pattern behaviour at young age which becomes serious as they grow n find more freedom. since sometimes ppl find them too contrained by law in discipling these kids they end up making extreme choices. There was a thread here a 14 yrs dating a 11 yrs. now if the parents of these kids will try to stop them these kids will resist to their most. Obviously they can't disown them. Social services will get involved, relatives won't be quite. So they'll keep on solving the issue with their best resources.Now not all end up killing them but some might depending on their own personal strengths and core values.
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No it's not both sides fault. Children tend to make mistakes and disobey. No matter how bad they are it doesn't justify killing them. the ones who endup killing them aren't normal people.
If a person kills someone just out of blue or for fun, money, sex etc that could be sick but if parents killing kids they gav birth n raised with all love then there's extreme measure issues involved. they cannot be just labelled as sick or abnormal. they r helpless families that need serious help. Islamic organizations who collect zakat and donations whole time should come forward and do something abt this. i don't fall for the trap of just blaming one party and sympathizing with other.i try to see whole picture. sometimes yes it could one party that is totally wrong or too extreme and conservative.
Islamically u r not allowed to kill any one not even ur unborn, undeveloped child. but then u r not allowed to disobey ur parents and go against their wishes. Kids can do watever they want, marry whoever they want is just westernized version of islam. they r not. Islamically If ur dad n mom r not happy with u Allah is simply not happy with u. for me this is enough reason for both parties to be wrong.
Again, you keep saying you can see the whole picture. It doesn t MATTER what the kids did, even if they had 10 differnt sexual partners! you cannot killl someone because of that. You are sympathising with these murderers and saying they need help. They need to be locked up in jail for life for MURDER.
Islamically, you cannot kill your kids.
Kids will do whatever they want, no matter where they are. Not just in the "west" but also in eastern countries. So many times parents can also be unreasonable and totally wrong. Does that mean children should kill them?
Again, you keep saying you can see the whole picture. It doesn t MATTER what the kids did, even if they had 10 differnt sexual partners! you cannot killl someone because of that. You are sympathising with these murderers and saying they need help. They need to be locked up in jail for life for MURDER. Islamically, you cannot kill your kids. Kids will do whatever they want, no matter where they are. Not just in the "west" but also in eastern countries. So many times parents can also be unreasonable and totally wrong. Does that mean children should kill them?
a valid point and the only thing i might add to that is that MURDER or taking another human beings life is in no form acceptable for whatever reason, it is not right and rightfully condemned. Eventhough i totally understand what you are saying but even that no where can killing someone be justified. I will not go far but i was a fairly disobedient and disrespectful kid in my "teens" but somehow i am still alive and with time i realised things and changed. Those kids maybe needed that opportunity as well which they were not given just cuz their parents could not take the insults from our so called hypocrite society.
I believe in honour killings.
Do you know that you could be killed for using a computer in Afghanistan?