and probably a lot more … and everything has to do with a forced marriage or westernized lifestyle of the girl.
i am very intrigued. did any one of you know these girls? closely or from a distance? is this a common practice? do more such things happen than those that make it to the news? is there more to the story than what is put in the news? what are the men thinking?
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I don't have any first hand knowledge about any such incident. In today's eara its hard to find pure nuse. Each media outlet puts its own spin to news before its gets to us...
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but all such news seems so generic ... there is never a new twist ... same reason always ...
so i was wondering that those who live in italy, mississauga or texas ... was it really a BIG news ... and how much do they know about it? since it has happened in the "community" ... and i guess people know each other quiet well ...
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there's been quite a few honour killings over the past in the uk aswell... i never knew any of the victims personally but its always sad to read about them and its always over the same stupid reasons
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one that really horrified me happend a few years ago. a 21 yr old pakistani girl was murdered in her home in southall, west london by her brother and another relative because she wanted to marry an afghan muslim. her death was so brutal she literally had her throat cut open in the hallway of her home and her 2 young nieces (daughters of the brother) were made to WATCH the whole thing and told that if they ever misbehave the same will happen to them. i was sickened when i read that
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damn .. :no:
i am beginning to realize that UK is home to quite a few extremists … is that a problem for other moderates or liberals? do they step in to your vicinity?
earlier i was thinking of shifting to england after a year or so, now i’m thinking i’m good where i am
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^ yes and its not only pakistani's that act like this. i've read about honour killings within the bengali, sikh, iraqi, kurdish and iranian communities that have happend in the uk.
well it kind of depends where u live. i live in an area heavily populated by asians and most of the honour killings i’ve read about have happend in areas where there is a heavy pakistani community for example or kurdish community. doesn’t really happen much in ‘gora’ areas.
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the girls with extreme families should use their own sense. wat's the point of losing ur life over some guy? ya family ko manayo ya janay do. sometimes ppl r not extremist but some girls r really wild n make man in the family mad to the extent they lose senses.
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^ i hope that's not an attempt at justifying honour killings. while i agree with u that some girls get themselves into stupid situations but still they do not deserve to be murdered
and probably a lot more ... and everything has to do with a forced marriage or westernized lifestyle of the girl.
i am very intrigued. did any one of you know these girls? closely or from a distance? is this a common practice? do more such things happen than those that make it to the news? is there more to the story than what is put in the news? what are the men thinking?
One of the saddest things I've ever heard was that Aqsa wasn't even given a marked grave but there is a small memorial in of all places** Israel**, how messed up is that??
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^ that is so screwed up. i just googled aqsa parvez and read about her, she looks so happy and smiley in all her pictures like a typical teenager and its so sad to think she was murdered because she was drawn to western culture. why do families like that insist on living in the west if they dont want their children to be influenced by western culture?
the girls with extreme families should use their own sense. wat's the point of losing ur life over some guy? ya family ko manayo ya janay do. sometimes ppl r not extremist but some girls r really wild n make man in the family mad to the extent they lose senses.
Mabrook, no one has the right to take someones life even if they disobey them. Fine they can disown them and kick them out of their house (if they are over 18) but you cannot phsycially harm anyone.
One of my dads cousin married a hindu guy in america, and her family disownder her. thats fine because she didn't listen to them, so they didn't have to be part of her life. (Not that i encourage people disowning family members)but i can understand it. It's fair and legal and understandable.
However, if someone kills their daughter or physically harms her then they ARE extremists and psychopaths. If she is going aroudn sleepign with differnt guys, kick her out of your home, disown her, but you cannot kill her.
Even in ISLAMyou cannot carry out punishments yourself, it happens in the shariat court of law. If the country you're living in doesnt have those laws, move out.
The majority of Pakistanis in the UK are generally from poorer backgrounds, they aren’t as educated as other ethnic groups and are also more likely to be unemployed, this is the major difference between those in the UK and the US.
They also tend to be a lot more conservative and traditional than other Muslim communities such as Indian or Bengali Muslims. Bengalis also tend to be poorer and less educated but their culture is a little different, they aren’t tribal (except for tiny pockets of non-Muslims) and they don’t practise cousin marriage as widely (which of course there is nothing wrong with when consent is given by the kids involved but it can be the catalyst of family ‘problems’, girl saying ‘no’, dad or mum saying ‘ok, ur off to Pakistan’ or ‘if u don’t marry so and so ur going to get a beating etc’). It happens in other communities as well (there was a v.well known case over here involving a Kurdish girl) but Pakistanis are generally thought of as the most conservative Muslims.
My Mum’s friend is a social worker and some of the stuff she would tell us was shocking, the sheer number of Pakistani girls who were suddenly pulled out of school before their GCSEs and put on a plane to Pakistan to get married, girls not being allowed to go to college or uni or out to work etc. Of course there are other cultures who do this but Pakistanis have the worst reputation for it.. There are soooo many Pakistani mothers in the UK who have been living here for 20/30 yrs and still can’t even speak English cos their husbands or inlaws haven’t let them learn.. Makes me sick…
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Aqsa is from my town and it was BIG news in Canada. The whole thing was being pinned at hijab, which was clearly not the case. Her friend's mother said that her dad was trying to reach out to her by buying her clothes and what not, while she lived with her friend. Something happened that night that no one really knows about.
So many ppl who reckon they are justified in carrying out an honour killing would only ever dream of doing it to a girl yet the shariah punishments are applicable and exactly the same for both sexes. Funny isn’t it that according to these morons this so-called ‘honour’ only applies to their daughters, their sons can have girlfriends or sleep around or deal drugs and there apparently is no dishonour in that..
Some high-profile cases of honour killing in the UK:
Do not know of any personally, but In Arizona an Iraqi man mowed down his daughter because she was too "westernized"..it was all over the news a few months ago.
I read in NY Post a month ago, in Staten Island, a Muslim woman tried to slit her husband throat in the middle of the night because he was forcing her to eat pork, dress in a certain way, and other stuff.
