So i can pick any piece of meat from the market and say bismillah? Is that how we roll? :)
I am not. The burden of proof lies with the party that claims such.
exactly, now you tell me, is Allah's name said over such meat TODAY that people claim is lawful?
Has to be sold or served by an ahle kitab.
You are implying that Allah means to say that the name of Allah has to be said at the time of slaughtering , none of those verses are saying that . They are very clear that Allahs name has to said before consuming them not at the time of slaughtering.
Why should I make my life difficult by assuming that Allah is implying that the animal has to be slaughtered in the name of Allah.
I can make my life easy by assuming that Allah's name can be said on a pre-slaughtered animal by an ahle kitab and eaten.
There is nothing to disprove my assumption , if there is then please provide me that proof and I will accept it. The proof has to be from Quran only. I do not accept ahadees which go against what is said in Quran.
so which is it? You want to make your life easy based on your assumptions... nothing I can do about that. I don't come up with assumptions, I go to scholars and books and in them (including tafsirs) it is mentioned about the name of Allah must be said when slaughtering.
"The food of the "people of the Book" is also made lawful to you provided (it does not contain anything that has been prohibited for you) and they also partake of your eatables."
Mirch bhai, please do not try to misguide others by not posting the source of this material. Ghulam ahmed pervez is seen along the same lines as those innovators who have misled our Pakistani Muslims. Deny all the hadiths you want, try all you want to spin religion in which way you want but please do not try to hide what you believe in. THANKS
Don't eat kosher - never will as there are many other options available (veggies, fish etc). I can happily say that I could live without meat if I needed to - if halal ain't available I will do without rather than make substitutions.
I will be out of words too and run to my home if I would see anybody having sex. :p
No No, Mirch, no lies please. You'll stand right there asking, "mera number kab aaega?! " :D
How do you see them having sex ? They do it in public or you are a peeping Tom ? :p
Hold your question, I'm just waiting for you to grow up some more (mentally, ofcourse) and have better understanding .. its too early for you I guess..
Why should I make my life difficult by assuming that Allah is implying that the animal has to be slaughtered in the name of Allah. **I can make my life easy by assuming **that Allah's name can be said on a pre-slaughtered animal by an ahle kitab and eaten
assume away my friend, to each his own, but don't justify it by refuting one of the very basic concepts in Islam that 99% of muslims believe in :)
assume away my friend, to each his own, but don't justify it by refuting one of the very basic concepts in Islam that 99% of muslims believe in :)
Believing in something which is not in the great revelation does not justify a belief in itself.
You can believe whatever you want outside of the book it will not change the truth.
why do we take something so simple as halal and turn it into an issue by bringing kosher into the picture then we wonder why there is this calamity and that calamity on the ummah,it s things like these that cause our downfall.halal meat is saying allahu akbar at the time of cutting the animals throat that is what makes it halal.when a person of the book e.g. jew sacrifices an animal what does he say ,do you think he is going to say allahu akbar...yeah right .anyways I would never eat kosher when Allah has made so many other things halal.
halal meat is saying allahu akbar at the time of cutting the animals throat that is what makes it halal.when a person of the book e.g. jew sacrifices an animal what does he say ,do you think he is going to say allahu akbar...yeah right .anyways I would never eat kosher when Allah has made so many other things halal.
so did allah or the prophet not know this fact when they allowed muslims to eat kosher meat?
^ and jews, if anything, have stricter laws when it comes to kosher meat- even the utensils they use when eating kosher are kept separate and there is a rabbi who supervises the preparation of kosher meals, so i’m sure when meat is being kept and slaughtered in a kosher way, there is much more attention to detail than perhaps even halal has. Kashrut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I honestly don’t know why people are thinking of kosher as an equivalent of halal/zabihah kosher is merely the absence of pork/ham, it might still have alcohol components and its certainly not sacrificed with a Kalma/Allah’s name. whereas zabihah halal is not just a halal animal but the WAY its been halaal-ed. what am i missing ??
kosher is an alternative for some I guess, if there really is no option out there, but is it an equivalent to halal/zabihah?
according to this link, jews also take the name of God whilst slaughtering the animal, however, i will ask my husband to ask his cousin (who married a jewish girl) to ask his rabbi if this is true or not- Regarding Kosher - Is it Halaal for Muslims?
^ I have heard that too, that Jews recite a prayer, but I may be wrong.
It does get very confusing because in the West there are different categories created: halal, zabihah halal, haraam, and then there’s kosher. The extra confusion is created because some people use the Qur’an, others use the Hadiths, and then some go by the fatwas to support the different categories. Kosher is beyond the absence of pork. It also excludes shellfish, but it has VERY similar rules on how to sacrifice the animal. Some people believe that meat from Ahle Kitaab is permissible, so it is labeled as halal. But because there is uncertainty regarding how the animal has been sacrificed, it is not labeled as zabihah halal. Zabihah halal means that the animal is slaughtered according to Islamic rules while saying the Takbeer.
You are correct that kosher may include alcohol. That’s why those who eat kosher need to be sure that there isn’t any alcohol in the meat. I live in an area where there are plenty of Muslim meat stores and restaurants, I do not eat kosher and never have. However, if I were to live in an area where there is NO zabihah halal meat available, then I would get kosher because at least the animal was slaughtered similarly and by a person who is an Ahle Kitaab (more certainty in this case, because the person is following Jewish rules, so believes in Allah). I have seen people who eat zabihah halal also eat Hebrew National hotdogs even if they could have gotten Al-Safa ones… that’s their choice. And once again, like I wrote before, there are other things that make up Muslims and meat is often seen as a gray area. Allah knows best.
My point is, and others have expressed pretty much teh same, that at the end of the day its our own choice.
Everyone can agree eating halal is the best choice of course, but if someone chooses to eat kosher or halal or whatever, why does it bother them if it doesnt' affect their family or health?
This post summed up what i felt about it pretty well:
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The arguments of zabihah or halal or kosher, etc. can go on and on. I usually say that one thing people can't argue against is that zabihah halal is for certain the MOST correct food to eat... after that, to each their own. Also, don't judge those who eat non-zabihah food, it's not everything that makes up a Muslim. I've met plenty of people who don't eat zabihah and are better Muslims than myself IMO.
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It does get very confusing because in the West there are different categories created: halal, zabihah halal, haraam, and then there's kosher. The extra confusion is created because some people use the Qur'an, others use the Hadiths, and then some go by the fatwas to support the different categories. Kosher is beyond the absence of pork. It also excludes shellfish, but it has VERY similar rules on how to sacrifice the animal. Some people believe that meat from Ahle Kitaab is permissible, so it is labeled as halal. But because there is uncertainty regarding how the animal has been sacrificed, it is not labeled as zabihah halal. Zabihah halal means that the animal is slaughtered according to Islamic rules while saying the Takbeer
ya thats what I have been seeing, everyone sort of has their own version of it, its all about making things convenient for us than anything else, we make religion way too complicated.
kosher is merely the absence of pork/ham, it might still have alcohol components and its certainly not sacrificed with a Kalma/Allah’s name. whereas zabihah halal is not just a halal animal but the WAY its been halaal-ed. what am i missing ??