How many of you eat Kosher?

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You do not need to know , McDonalds is owned by Christians, Jews , Muslims etc. So their food is from ahle kitab. I guess. :hmmm:

Now we need a fatwa as to if a company shares are owned by majority of people of book but some of the shares are owned by non ahle kitab then their product is halal or haram. :hmmm:

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I dont' disagree with u but my point was that some people have this attitude, that if they do eat only halal, that makes them a better Muslim than someone who doenst, even when its clear they do other things that go against Muslim teachings.

And my argument goes for everything really, not just eating halal. Dressing modestly doesnt make u a great Muslim, not talkign to opposite gender doesnt make u a better Muslim etc.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for thsoe who eat halal only/dress modestly/etc etc etc, but humbleness is a quality as well.

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No,

what you had stated very clearly was that you were confused about kosher not being allowed because jews dont recite quranic verses

the point I was clearing was that at no point in time were jews reciting quranic ayats at slaughter time yet kosher was allowed.

so the question then is, that whether jews today have kosher practices the same as they had in the prophets time..and if they are then the meat is allowed.

when kosher was allowed then, they were not reciting Quran then, they are not reciting Quran now..

let me remind you of your initial question...

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Yes X2, I am confused, about how Jewish slaughter animals. The only faith I CAN comment for thus mentioned the fact of either Ayats/duas etc being read at the time of slaughter done by Muslims as I have indeed witnessed slaughters when I was younger.

And also, please note I did refer to Halal meat, not all meats. As I was aware of the process, I commented on it. I'm 80% positive not all meat slaughtered by Jewish/Christian butchers is not called 'halal'? This is based again on my own experiences when I was a kid and went to school with a girl who had a Muslim father and Jewish Mother.

I'm not going to keep replying, because I feel what I wrote was in reference to Halal meat, and how other meats surely are not called Halal but something else, and in this day and age (in England, I have no idea where anyone else is from and quite frankly isn't any of by business) there would be hardly any need for someone to choose Kosher over Halal.

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so correct me if i’m wrong…ur saying its the Ownership, and not the person who does the cutting defines if the meat is halal to eat?

So let’s say if I had a slave that was hindu, and I would tell him to slaughter the cow for dinner for me to eat, it would still be halal? (since me, the owner, is muslim)

my thinking is this: Unless you live in a remote place in the middle of booneyland, where there are no animals for you to slaughter yourself, there shouldn’t be an issue of eating halal. And for me, halal means just zabiha, not koshered. If your visiting a place for work/vacation and there are no halal places, you can survive on fish/veggies/soy to satisfy your appetite. I would make the effort of going and researching halal places if i was craving for meat.

that is just my opinion and what i would do.

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Quran says food of Ahle kitab is halal. It does not matter how it was slaughtered and who slaughtered it.
The food of the people of the Book is admissible; it appears in Surah Al-Maaidah (5th Chapter of the Quran): (5:5)
This day, good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of the people of the Book is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them, and good women from among believers, and good women from among those given the Book before you, provided you give them their dowers, binding yourself in marriage, not going for lust, nor having paramours. And whoever rejects Faith, his effort will go waste and, in the Hereafter, he is among the losers. [5]

 (Have you noticed to what extent the Quranic  laws on the 'permitted'     and the 'prohibited' have brought about a pleasant revolution in  human life Before this a     multitude of restrictions were imposed by the man-made codes of the  so called Sharia (the     religious laws) which had strangulated human freedom. The Quranic  laws, after laying down     prohibition on certain articles of food, allowed all other agreeable  articles for eating).

"The food of the "people of the Book" is also made lawful to you  provided     (it does not contain anything that has been prohibited for you) and  they also partake of     your eatables."

It is obvious that in accepting the eatables of the "people of the  Book", the     decisive factor will be that they do not contain anything which is  forbidden by the Quran.     From the latter part of the verse it ensues that its aim is to  promote social intercourse.     But those people of the Book who are not desirous of creating social  intercourse with the     Muslims, such contacts with them cannot be allowed.
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Re: How many of you eat Kosher?

I understand the social intercourse part, but I still dont think you answered my question :)

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lol … sir jee, you need to go through this thread

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/life-relationships/413263-blurring-lines-between-right-wrong-new-trend.html

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you asked whether it was "okay"..not halal or zabeeha.
and kosher meat by definition is okay..
so said god.

you dont have to keep replying.

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I haven't had kosher before, but I'm not against it. I've come across Jewish vendors advertising their food as Kosher and Zabihah Halal. Personally, I eat only zabihah halal and I include kosher in that. If I were to move in an area where there weren't any halal slaughterhouses, then I would buy kosher meat from the local grocery store... as far as I know, that's not wrong.

If this thread is to turn into a religious discussion, then I don't know all of the ayahs in the Qur'an that bring up halal/haram food, but I recently read this from Surah Baqarah: 173. "He has forbidden you only the Maytatah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

The arguments of zabihah or halal or kosher, etc. can go on and on. I usually say that one thing people can't argue against is that zabihah halal is for certain the MOST correct food to eat... after that, to each their own. Also, don't judge those who eat non-zabihah food, it's not everything that makes up a Muslim. I've met plenty of people who don't eat zabihah and are better Muslims than myself IMO.

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Re: How many of you eat Kosher?

^ very well said! I agree completely

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We need more people with your thinking and wisdom. :k:

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Re: How many of you eat Kosher?

I know people (desis) here who DO NOT make any compromise on food and adamantly eat only and only halal products..
BUT
when it comes to things like sex and stuff (not within relationship)....... they are far too active than anyone can be :)

I get out of words when I see this behaviour...

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I will be out of words too and run to my home if I would see anybody having sex. :p

How do you see them having sex ? They do it in public or you are a peeping Tom ? :p

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Yup.. same here! :slight_smile:

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Again I'll not debate here, we've been over this in the past. But for those who keep on going about ahle-kitab argument, they forget to mention:

Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. ... - Quran 5:3

*They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say: lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah: eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in taking account. *- Quran 5:4

*Why should ye not eat of (meats) on which Allah's name hath been pronounced, when He hath explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you - except under compulsion of necessity? But many do mislead (men) by their appetites unchecked by knowledge. Thy Lord knoweth best those who transgress. * -Quran 6:119

Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. - Quran 6:121

So you're gonna prove to me now that McDo, KFC, BK,etc.. recite Allah's name?

I'd love to see that proof!!!

and for those who care about their health, here are (3) conditions which are set by sharia for meat to be considered halal, note:: all 3 must be met.
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*a) Most of the four veins (including the Jugular vein, according to some) must cut with a tool that is sharp and has a cutting edge *
*b) **The name of Allah must be taken at the time of slaughtering, whether actually or effectively (such as when it is forgotten by someone who would normally have said it) *
*c) The slaughterer must be either a Muslim or from the People of the Book (Ahl al-Kitab). *

So we can either try to interpret Quran to our own liking without any solid knowledge or we can go to the people of knowledge (who) have studied deen with detail keeping everything in context. I go to scholars, not some uncle/aunty on gupshup because MY akhira is on the line. :)

Anyways, at the end of the day, we do what we feel right (or)* follow* our desires. May Allah guide US all. ameen.

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It does not prove that Allah's name has to be pronounced at the time of slaughtering of animal. You can say Bismillah afterwards and eat it.
Again basic thing is that it has to be animal which is halal for Muslims to eat.

How are you proving that an animal slaughtered by an ahele kitab is haram because they did not say the name of Allah at the time of slaughtering the animal. All of these verses are pointing out that if Allah's name has not been said on the meat or food it should not be eaten before saying the name of Allah.

Why should I make my life difficult by assuming that Allah is implying that the animal has to be slaughtered in the name of Allah. I can make my life easy by assuming that Allah's name can be said on a pre-slaughtered animal by an ahle kitab and eaten. There is nothing to disprove my assumption , if there is then please provide me that proof and I will accept it. The proof has to be from Quran only. I do not accept ahadees which go against what is said in Quran.

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So i can pick any piece of meat from the market and say bismillah? Is that how we roll? :)

I am not. The burden of proof lies with the party that claims such.

exactly, now you tell me, is Allah's name said over such meat TODAY that people claim is lawful?