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Because the movie portrayed an Indian hindu girl getting married to a Pakistani muslim guy, and the movie was accepted, critically and commercially, in India? Beside PK was not a pot boiler masala out and out, but that is beside the point in any case.
Of course PK was a pot boiler masala film with song dance cheap below the belt jokes at all. It was a commercial masala film. You’re again trying to pass your assumption that a masala film being a commercial success as an acceptance of hindu muslims marriage in india? Any stats to prove your assertion that majority of hindus have started marrying their daughters to Muslims and converting to Islam? any stats to prove that??? Last heard they’ve a beti bachao muhim to counter so called “love jihad”!
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lillyy2k2 jee, where did I write any such thing? You don't have to do that yourself, but you have to learn to tolerate it, if others choose to do so. Thats tolerance. :) Its about CHOICE, not FORCE.
No you're not talking about choice here. You're forcing your definition of tolerance as universal. This is what you wrote:
"Yes, we are talking about BREAKING religious barriers, so one human being's love for another human being can prevail over such barriers. Translates into tolerance it does."
A person who 's intolerant to religion and its teachings of marrying within faith cannot preach on tolerance. It's hypocrisy. You contradict what you preach.
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No, it was not. PK went deeper than that, unfortunately don't see anyone in Pakistan having the courage to make the same points, as unabashed as PK..
PK doesn’t even come closer to the scathing and controversial content of KKL and Bol. India has never made anything like that. I don’t need to see further than Bollywood because we’re talking mainstream here.
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Of course PK was a pot boiler masala film with song dance cheap below the belt jokes at all. It was a commercial masala film. You’re again trying to pass your assumption that a masala film being a commercial success as an acceptance of hindu muslims marriage in india? Any stats to prove your assertion that majority of hindus have started marrying their daughters to Muslims and converting to Islam?
Commercial movie yes, but a pot boiler masala it was not. Beside the point in any case.
**Straw man much?
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Last heard they’ve a beti bachao muhim to counter so called “love jihad”!
In Pakistan, hindu girls are kidnapped, forcibly converted and married to muslims. Yes, there is a lot of intolerance in India AND Pakistan. Who in their right mind would deny that? Yet, an Indian movie which portrayed marriage between an Indian hindu girl and a muslim pakistani guy became a commercial and critical success in India. Which shows that Indians/hindu majority in India are receptive to the idea of Pakistanis being shown as normal decent human beings, worthy of Indians marrying their daughters to them.
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No you're not talking about choice here.
Yes I am. If I meant by force, I would have no qualms writing by force when you challenged me on it. Of course I mean people must be free to CHOOSE if they want to marry someone out of their faith or not. And this CHOICE needs to be provided to all, muslims, christians, hindus, everyone, regardless of their gender and religious background. Not forcing anything, just telling people to tolerate those who CHOOSE to marry outside their faith.
Not going to address your straw man for the third time.
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PK doesn’t even come closer to the scathing and controversial content of KKL and Bol. India has never made anything like that. I don’t need to see further than Bollywood because we’re talking mainstream here.
KKL and Bol are different than PK, there might be some similarties but at the end of the day, KKL and Bol could only challenge religious concepts to a certain degree, because they were made in Pakistan. PK went farther than both of those in that aspect. I've watched all three movies, and unlike you I see no need to be biased towards the Pakistani ones.
I do believe there is a higher degree of freedom of religion/speech in India than in Pakistan, but there is of course a lot of intolerance against the religious minorities in both countries. No one in their right mind would deny that.
No idea what they made or did not make in Bollywood. Hardly ever watch Bollywood movies.
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Of course those barriers need to be broken, so those societies can progress. That goes without saying. One of them are the right for muslim women to marry whoever they want, hindus, atheists, christians, agnostics, muslims.
The above shows exactly what I said earlier that you’ve a closed mind going on like a broken record “religion is barrier” “hindu muslim marriage” blah blah. Open up your mind. Didn’t you read Islam prohibits marriage between Muslim women and non Muslim man? If you’re intolerant to Islam and its teachings then you’ve no right preaching on tolerance. If someone doesn’t want to practise Islam then he/she is free to leave islam and marry or do whatever he/she wants. Pretty reasonable. Don’t know about your faith but every Muslim knows these basics. Please don’t hide behind “humanity” to camouflage your bias here.
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Commercial movie yes, but a pot boiler masala it was not. Beside the point in any case.
*Straw man much?
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Yours is a baseless argument. I challenged you to prove your assertion with facts and figures, got anything to back up your false claims???
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I do believe there is a higher degree of freedom of religion/speech in India.
Sorry we don't have the biggest genocide against Minorities here. That was in Indian Gujrat.
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I've watched all three movies, and unlike you I see no need to be biased towards the Pakistani ones.
Unlike you I'm not biased against Muslim and "religion". NO, I don't even like Bol or KKL so stop making silly assumptions. If anything your bigotry is out in the open.
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In Pakistan, hindu girls are kidnapped, forcibly converted and married to muslims.
Same happens in india where Muslim girls are kidnapped and forced to convert . last heard the girl who was purported to be forcibly converted and married said in court that she had out of her own free will but islmophpbes like you didn't miss any chance to portray is as "forced marriage" you don't like the fact there are hindus who marry Muslims and convert to Islam out of their own choice. Eat that.
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I think Lollywood has stereotyped Indians as well in films like Ghar Kab Aaogay and Tere Pyar Main. But considering Bollywood is a bigger industry and a wider reach than the Pakistani industry it doesn't bode well for us when they stereotype Pakistan.
Also did she actually marry the Pakistani dude in PK? From what I remember the marriage didn't actually take place I mean that was the whole reason for her heartbreak because of she thought he left her? Or Am i missing something here?
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And this CHOICE needs to be provided to all, muslims, christians, hindus, everyone, regardless of their gender and religious background. Not forcing anything, just telling people to tolerate those who CHOOSE to marry outside their faith.
I'm not a Hindu or Christian I'm a Muslim and my concern is Islam which prohibits marriage between non Muslim and Muslim woman. If you don't tolerate Islam then you've no right to preach on tolerance. It's as simple as that. You can't be a hypocrite here repeating circular arguments of tolerance while showing intolerance to others belief!
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BTW, PK did very well in Pakistan despite the fact that Muslim man is not allowed to marry a Hindu women right? Going by this Balti man's logic it means this is becoming acceptable here lol
Re: How Bollywood shows Pakistan in their moives.
The above shows exactly what I said earlier that you’ve a closed mind going on like a broken record “religion is barrier” “hindu muslim marriage” blah blah. Open up your mind. Didn’t you read Islam prohibits marriage between Muslim women and non Muslim man? If you’re intolerant to Islam and its teachings then you’ve no right preaching on tolerance. If someone doesn’t want to practise Islam then he/she is free to leave islam and marry or do whatever he/she wants. Pretty reasonable. Don’t know about your faith but every Muslim knows these basics. Please don’t hide behind “humanity” to camouflage your bias here.
You deny muslim women the right to marry whoever they desire, and I am the intolerant one? Like I said, even some Islalmic scholars are in disagreement with you. Not intolerant to Islam or any other religion, but intolerant to bigotry and intolerance, yes. And a firm believer in freedom of choice and freedom of conscience.
lillyy2k2 jee, you present straw man after straw man, and show no interest in countering actual arguments I have made. I don't see this discussion being very fruitful.
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I'm not a Hindu or Christian I'm a Muslim and my concern is Islam
And my concern are human beings, not religions. :)
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I think Lollywood has stereotyped Indians as well in films like Ghar Kab Aaogay and Tere Pyar Main. But considering Bollywood is a bigger industry and a wider reach than the Pakistani industry it doesn't bode well for us when they stereotype Pakistan.
Also did she actually marry the Pakistani dude in PK? From what I remember the marriage didn't actually take place I mean that was the whole reason for her heartbreak because of she thought he left her? Or Am i missing something here?
I don't remember for sure if they actually show a scene where they get married, but they do show them together at the end of the movie, so it is at least alluded that they are either married or still lovers.
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BTW, PK did very well in Pakistan despite the fact that Muslim man is not allowed to marry a Hindu women right? Going by this Balti man's logic it means this is becoming acceptable here lol
This is a fine example of attacking a straw man.
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Btw, speaking of babri masjid
Ram ke naam by Anand Patwardhan
Great documentary but banned in india from releasing in theatres
Re: How Bollywood shows Pakistan in their moives.
This is a fine example of attacking a straw man.
Poor attempt to runaway man! Present facts and figures to prove your claims!!! Otherwise have the guts to accept you made a FALSE claim.