IT is Allah mian ( Allah subhanaho wa taala) who has told us through the Prophet :saw: to kill them. If you don not obey the Prophet :saw: I don’t know if one can even be a Muslim. May ALlah guide you.
The Quran has story of Loot and it shows Allah’s anger at them. If Allah is angry with them , why aren’t you? How can it be that Allah is so angry with them that He the ALmighty pelts them with stones from heaven and turns the whole place upside down…and you are having a soft corner for them??? Do not take Islam the way your heart feels. Islam means submission, so submit to the will of Allah that is in the Quran and Sunnah. Submit and enter Islam completely before we all reach the grave.
No where in this thread have I stated my opinion on Gays. What I have clearly said is that it was God who punished the people of Lut. Not humans. Think about that.
Khair, let me know how killing gays goes for you! I hear you have internet access in jails. At least you’ll still be able to visit Gupshup.
Do not misquote me. If you read the earlier posts there is a saying of the Prophet :saw: quoted that clearly says that gays are to be killed. Don’t give me an excuse you are denying that. Never did i say that you are a non-Muslim, but denying the Quran and not believing on something clearly said by the Prophet :saw: does make a person non-believer. I am not saying this, this is the way it is.
As far as killing them is concerned, it is to be done by an Islamic court, only after there are witnesses. It is not to be done by anyone like you and me. Islam does not allow killing by anyone just like that. If such capital punishments are to be carried out, they are to be done by state. Not by any ordinary person. We are talking about Islamic law here not preparing people for a killing spree. You need a good lesson in Islam before commenting on others and blaming them with something.
You are right. I didn't read the whole thread. I was disgusted beyond belief how people were justifying murdering others based on their sexual preference.
In the Islam that I believe in, killing is wrong. Plain and simple. It's up to God to judge, not us.
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The Islam that is based on Sunnah and ahaadeeth as well besides Quran is what I believe. If you decide to reject ahadeeth, it's your choice. By any means, you are welcome to follow your belief and so am I and many other muslims out there.
Anwaar, etc. I haven't said anything that is unislamic so please don't tell me what I'm rejecting, accepting, etc. :p
ok, I've read the thread through. I would have to agree with Muslim Queen when she has said that killing people just is not practical which is probably why I'm correctly assuming that none of you have gone out and killed homosexuals. :p
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Anwaar, etc. I haven't said anything that is unislamic so please don't tell me what I'm rejecting, accepting, etc. :p
ok, I've read the thread through. I would have to agree with Muslim Queen when she has said that killing people just is not practical which is probably why I'm correctly assuming that none of you have gone out and killed homosexuals. :p
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Mehnaz etc:p Just to clear something. It is** UNISLAMIC** to execute islamic punishments by individual... Only a Islamic judiciary government is responisble for such punishments to be in practice. Hope that clears lot of misunderstandings etc. :p
Ummm, MehnazQ, you refute hadeeth and the Quran, saying its not practical and then you say you didn’t say anything unislamic lol. Guess God didn’t think about your points (astagfurillah)
Please feel free to beleive in whatever you want, but don’t insult Islam and other Muslims by your ignorant interpretations. Anwaar is totally right.
skhan, save the speech. I have been talking about killing from an individual standpoint in the Western world and AQ is aware of that, hence his last post. Plain and simple.
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Please feel free to beleive in whatever you want, but don't insult Islam and other Muslims by your ignorant interpretations.
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Ignorant interpretations abound, so I wouldn't be so holier-than-thou. Enlightened and perhaps *true Muslims reject such hadith that you quote. Perhaps it is you that needs to re-examine which hadith are laws, which are legends, which are opinions and which are stories. As we all know, all hadith are not entirely accurate and without flaw. I think a good starting point would be to reject those that call for the killing of others based on judgments that should be left up to God.
Why is it that almost every thrrad about religion makes me want to say "Let people do and think what they want- and we'll see what happens when they stand before Allah"?
No matter how hard people try to explain about Islam to others- people arent exactly willing to learn.So be it.sheesh.
Don’t waste your time brother, some people have the audacity to change the rules of Islam as they see fit in this modern world. If asked about the death penalty they would probably say the same thing, who gives you the right to kill. So easy to get brainwashed by western media. As long as they don’t called a fundamentalist
And then they ask why are Muslims in the state they are in today.
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Can we please get back to the original topic...Homosexuality In Pakistan.
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getting back to the topic, my input:
Since we are talking about the country Pakistan and an act by a few performed there which is hated by Allah, it's sad to see pakistani muslims taking sides of the evil in the country created in the name of Islam.
i wish i would see the day when i get to read a 3 page thread on how to take care of orphans in some Muslim country instead of homosexuality in Pakistan. But it's so much easier to say 'kill the homos' than it is to implement Islam's boring principles on social justice.
Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
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i wish i would see the day when i get to read a 3 page thread on how to take care of orphans in some Muslim country instead of homosexuality in Pakistan. But it's so much easier to say 'kill the homos' than it is to implement Islam's boring principles on social justice.
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We can not leave either of the matters. Islam is not a deal. You either take it or leave it. If there is a talk about 'kill the homo' then you can not bring orphans in the talk. Why don't you open a thread on your suggested topic and see if it passes 3 pages. I am sure 3 pages will really take care of orphans in some Muslim Country.
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We can not leave either of the matters. Islam is not a deal. You either take it or leave it. If there is a talk about 'kill the homo' then you can not bring orphans in the talk. Why don't you open a thread on your suggested topic and see if it passes 3 pages. I am sure 3 pages will really take care of orphans in some Muslim Country.
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Just as 'kill the homo' threads will eradicate homosexuality. The problem when obsessing about things like other peoples' morals is that it doesn't leave much time to implement God's loftier goals. And it is particluarly difficult to understand those being educated in the US still adhering to this barbaric philosophy. What a waste of a good education and a shame that some will not take a more enlightened view back to Pakistan.
I wouldn't lecture Nadia. Her posts intellectually and spiritually dwarf these fatwa-posting, judgmental threads that do little to address real world problems and have little resemblence to God-inspired words.
