And it is particluarly difficult to understand those being educated in the US still adhering to this barbaric philosophy.<<<
For all non-muslims, Islamic Law and punishment are barbaric. I am not surprised.
So are you some sort of messiah? You claim to know all about God’s goals, likes and dislikes. LOL and they talk about enlightenment 
Mehnaz stole my point! (great minds think alike huh babe?)
the bottom line is... its up to God the way He wants to punish individuals. We humans are mere mortals and its not as if we are free of sins ourselves..
the people of Loot were punished by Allah Mian, not humans. Let Allah Mian then punish homosexuals now as well
tsk
that’s because:
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Loot :as: was not a ruler
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There was no government based on the divine laws at that time (Sharia).
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He was an individual and islamic punishments can only be executed by a judiciary council hence an islamic government.
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There are clear ahaadeeth about the punishment under an islamic rule.
Sad is that we only treat stories in Quran as stories for entertainment than a source of guidance.
There is a story in Quran in surah Feel that how Abraha came to destroy ka’aba and Allah MiyaaN punished him. I will say today if anyone comes to destroy our holy places, your logic tells me that let Allah Mian then punish them as well.
^ i dont think anyone is treating the stories in the Quran as mere entertainment..
the few of us who do not agree with gays being killed, dont necessarily disregard these stories or word of guidance. That is quite an assumption, AQ
U cant compare the Kabah to homosexuals.. how are homosexuals harming u personally?
hey but people of Abraha were punished by Allah mian not by human:konfused:
let me give u a copy-paste 
ITS DANGERS IN THIS WORLD
Among the evil consequences of this sin are the many deadly and contagious
diseases that result from it. Some of these illnesses are such that medical
science – with all its might, power and advanced technology - has failed to
combat or even fully comprehend, let alone cure it. Certainly no one is able
to rise above the Will of Allah Ta’ala and escape his wrath!
Some of these fatal diseases are:
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AIDS: There is no cure for it. It is contracted and spread through
unlawful sexual intercourse and perverted sexual acts like homosexuality. -
GONORRHEA: which causes inflammation of the testicles, blockage of the
urethra, inflammation of the joints and sterility. -
SYPHILIS: This is a type of venereal disease commonly known among the
Arabs as ‘the English Disease’ since its origin lies in European societies
where free intermingling of the sexes and immorality is rife. It results in
insanity, paralysis, blindness, and other nerve disorders. Also leads to
blood vessel damage and death. -
GENITAL ULCERS: which causes inflammation of the lymphatic glands. It also
gives rise to chronic festering of tumours, inflammation of the urethra,
severe pain in the joints and swelling of the limbs. -
HEPATITIS B: Its symptoms include fever, fatigue, nausea and jaundice. It
results in chronic hepatitis or liver cancer.
These are only a few of the many deadly diseases caused by perverted sexual
behaviour. Could anyone ever desire contracting any of them?
May Allah Ta’ala protect all of us from all types of evil!
There are clear ahaadeeth of Rasoolulah:saw: only hadeeth rejecters are the one who don’t find them authentic.
Oh and as for the reasoning that "a crime is a crime only if it harms someone personally," I wonder why is there a punishment in Quran for those who perform adultery? People don't harm anyone in that case either. Or do they?
AQ, some of these deseases occur without any homosexual behaviour... so dont use that as an excuse to kill gays..
yes the act itself is not correct.. im not agreeing to that. Its the punishment people are declaring is whats wrong..
i dont reject hadiths but i dont agree with every hadiths that gets published..
Find my detailed reply HERE
also the follow-up answers later on there.
that’s very common 
I am still looking for atleast one individual who claims this and has shown agreement to atleast one hadith so far on this board Apparently all ahaadeeth are un-authentic using your logic, hence must be rejected. There is another thread in Religion about “Denying of Ahaadeeth.”
Those who sympathize with gays are gays!
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i dont reject hadiths but i dont agree with every hadiths that gets published..
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if you are not agreed what you call that ?
may i ask why not agree ? and on what basis you say so ? i need some example which you were not agreed.
^ cus some hadiths contradict other hadiths and sometimes the Quran itself..
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^ cus some hadiths contradict other hadiths and sometimes the Quran itself..
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Those ahaadeeth are already taken out from the Fiqh when the Laws were being compiled based on Quran and hadeeth.
using the same logic, i dun see the hadeeth for the punishment of homosexuals contradicting the punishment of Allah described in Quran. Hence, perfect authenticated hadeeth in that case.
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. how are homosexuals harming u personally?
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what if your son get inspired and caught by gays and become a gay ?
will that please you ?
this is one of the biggest sin on earth and Allah hate it. is that not enough you to hate this sin and sinner ?
if YOU hate anything will you appreciate if your son does the same ?
do not get personal i gave just example. may Allah save every Muslim. but give an honset and realistic reply.
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^ cus some hadiths contradict other hadiths and sometimes the Quran itself..
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aq gave u answer.
AQ, sorry i wasnt referring to the hadith about homosexuaility.. i was talking in regards to other hadiths.. sorries 
Ulti Kopri, I dont hate homosexuals. I may not agree with what they do or what they are, but i certainly would not hate them for it.
as for my own son, Inshallah he will know right from wrong
he will know what ? that you like it ? you appreciate it ?
how a Muslim can say this type of word that he/she do not hate it while Allah does hate it ? aren’t we suppose to hate those what Allah hate and love those what Allah love ?
^ ur making quite a few assumptions there :)
just cus i dont think killing the person is a good idea, doesnt mean that i appreciate homosexuality.. why is it assumed that just cus ur not gonna go around beating a human for his sins u actually agree with them? hmm
hate is a very strong word.. no i dont hate gays
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^ ur making quite a few assumptions there :)
just cus i dont think killing the person is a good idea, doesnt mean that i appreciate homosexuality.. why is it assumed that just cus ur not gonna go around beating a human for his sins u actually agree with them? hmm
hate is a very strong word.. no i dont hate gays
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you have no clue how it run.
let me explain to you. every country is run by a givernment. they have differemnt departments who handle different sectors. one is called department of justice. another depertments is called police.
what police do is they do arrest a sinner / crimnal. then they send them to jail and makes a charge sheet. then they are taken to the court . in court we have justice. what justice do is they read the case. then they ask for te clarifiction and then ask the proof and winesses. if enough proof and witneses are presented. then the person is awarded for the execution he deserve. what he deserved is suppose to be from shariat.
it shows that only judge declares them guilty and annouces the punishemnet. not any indivudual not me not you.
this is how they do practice the justice. right ?
and still you love gays. then i pray for you.
Open secrets
In Pakistan, sex between men is strictly forbidden by law and religion. But even in the most conservative regions, it’s also embedded in the society.
By Miranda Kennedy
LAHORE – The first time Aziz, a lean, dark-haired 20-year-old in this bustling cultural capital, had sex with a man, he was a pretty, illiterate boy of 16. A family friend took him to his house, put on a Pakistani-made soft-porn video, and raped him. Now, says Aziz (who gives only his first name), he is “addicted” to sex with men, so he hangs around Lahore’s red-light districts, getting paid a few rupees for sex. At night, he goes home to his parents and prays to Allah to forgive him.
In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, homosexuality is not only illegal, it is a crime punishable by whipping, imprisonment, or even death. But across all classes and social groups, men have sex with men. In villages throughout the country, young boys are often forcibly “taken” by older men, starting a cycle of abuse and revenge that social activists and observers say is the common pattern of homosexual sex in Pakistan. Often these boys move to the cities and become prostitutes. Most people know it happens – from the police to the wives of the men involved.
In some areas, homosexual sex is even tacitly accepted – though still officially illegal – as long as it doesn’t threaten traditional marriage. In the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP), which shares many tribal and cultural links with neighboring Afghanistan, the ethnic Pashtun men who dominate the region are renowned for taking young boys as lovers. No one has been executed for sodomy in Pakistan’s recent history, but across the border in Afghanistan, the Taliban (who are also overwhelmingly Pashtun) executed three men for sodomy in 1998 by bulldozing a brick wall over them, burying two of them alive. (The third survived, which meant, according to Taliban law, that he was innocent, so he was taken to a hospital for treatment.)
Among Pakistan’s urban elite, there is a growing community of men who identify as gay, some of whom even come out to their friends. Men meet on Internet bulletin boards, or at private pool parties with lots of rented boys and heavy security. But they are a tiny, terrified minority, living in cities such as Lahore, Karachi, or Islamabad, where the cultural elite has carved out a niche for itself. In a country where alcohol is forbidden except to Christians, dancing is banned, and the Koran guides many aspects of criminal law, such men rarely step outside of their protected world. (Because women in Pakistan inhabit, for the most part, a strictly private realm, it is difficult to say with any certainty how common lesbian relationships may be.)
Homosexuals in Pakistan walk a fine line between harsh legal and cultural prohibition and some form of unspoken social acceptance. “Islamic tradition frowns on but acknowledges male-male sex, and this plays a role in permitting clandestine sex so long as it is not allowed to interfere with family life, which is of paramount importance,” the San Francisco-based sociologist Stephen O. Murray writes in “Sociolegal Control of Homosexuality: A Multi-Nation Comparison,” a collection of scholarly essays published in 1997. Further complicating matters, the most common form of male homosexuality in Pakistan, according to Murray, is pederasty, where an older man entices or coerces (sometimes forcibly) a younger boy into sex.
Among the many obstacles facing men who have sex with men in Pakistan is this close association, in the eyes of many Pakistanis, between homosexuality and exploitation. But they face their own psychological barriers as well. Of the dozens of men interviewed for this article, almost none who admitted to having homosexual sex identified themselves as “gay.” (All would give only their first names, which could not be verified, or would speak only anonymously.) Most do not even believe that homosexuality should be legal.
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Aziz says he now enjoys sex with other men, but he believes that’s only because he isn’t able to have sex with women, who are largely inaccessible – even in red-light districts, where there are many more men than women for rent. And like most Pakistani men who have homosexual sex, Aziz believes it is wrong. “The Verses of the Koran do not allow it,” he says. “That’s the only thing that matters.”
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According to the Koran, when the prophet Lot saw that his people had been engaged in sodomy and debauchery, he said, “Come ye to men, instead of women, lustfully? Ye are indeed a people given to excess.” When they refused to repent their sins, Allah destroyed them: “And we rained a rain upon them: and see what was the end of the wicked!”
The lines don’t seem to leave much room for interpretation. But Faisal Alam, founder of the Al-Fatiha Foundation, a Washington-based organization for gay and lesbian Muslims, argues that Lot’s people were killed not because they had homosexual sex, but because they were forcing sex on each other. That interpretation is unlikely to hold much weight with Pakistan’s religious leaders. The matter is not open for debate here – not among mullahs, academics, or even activists.
Like many Pakistani men who have sex with men, Aziz believes he is plagued by a “satan,” or demon, that makes him desire men. Veteran human rights lawyer Hina Jilani, who lives in Lahore and specializes in women’s rights cases, says the inconsistent application of Sharia (Islamic law) and Pakistani criminal law has blurred the line between abuse and gay sex, and the emphasis on Islamic values has imbued the very word “homosexuality” with a moral color.
“Here we have two totally different issues: exploited boys and sex workers versus consensual sex,” Jilani says. "But the majority of people will think of them as the same. Even people like myself who do understand this issue haven’t been able to take it up, except in the context of violence against people on basis of sex orientation."Jilani says there are innumerable cases of young boys – some sex workers, some not – charged under Pakistan’s sodomy law, even if they have been enticed into sex.