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rice is a hindu tradition from what i know and also holding the quran is a jaahil rasam because like u said, quran is to be read and understood and not to be used as a 'Saya', Only Allah can do that my nani is totally against this rasam :D so it will not be happening at my wedding.....
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Hi All,
Speaking as someone from India, I can tell you that the throwing of rice over the shoulder is a Hindu custom, since most offerings of food are intended for their Gods. When India and Pakistan were one country, and Muslims and Hindus lived interchangeably, a lot of customs and traditions got mixed around. For better or for worse. So probably what started out as a religious observance in one people ended up as a cultural observance in another. So with that information, any bride and her family are free to do what they please, I guess. That being said, there are LOTS of things that could be argued either way, so I think we should just inform each other and share what we've learned and then let people make their own decisions.
Also, for the Quran thing. That's the word of Allah. We should respect it, and not abuse it's intent. We can't really just say it's a small rasam that makes no big deal in the end. At the very least, we should leave that sacred.
Also, I don't think cupcake is making a big deal out of nothing. From being around here a while, it seems she's been making a sincere effort to make her wedding as Islamic as possible, so Allah would bless her marriage. Good on her, I say. She was just looking for a little information, which we can share with her, and then leave her to make her own decision.
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By the way, I just want to share with you a lovely saying that the Arabs have. They say, The Quran was revealed in Saudi Arabia, Recited in Egypt, and Memorized in Pakistan. Apparently, I learned while living there, that Pakistanis have a reputation in the Middle East for being prolific memorizers of the Quran. I think that's a nice reputation.
Perhaps someone could recite a few verses before you leave the hall, Cupcake, and remind everyone to make du'ah for you? It's closer to the Sunnah to end with a recitation of the Quran and an exhortation towards du'ah.
Re: Holding Qur'an over brides head?
By the way, I just want to share with you a lovely saying that the Arabs have. They say, The Quran was revealed in Saudi Arabia, Recited in Egypt, and Memorized in Pakistan. Apparently, I learned while living there, that Pakistanis have a reputation in the Middle East for being prolific memorizers of the Quran. *I think that's a nice reputation. *
Perhaps someone could recite a few verses before you leave the hall, Cupcake, and remind everyone to make du'ah for you? It's closer to the Sunnah to end with a recitation of the Quran and an exhortation towards du'ah.
But isn't it really a reputation for reading without understanding (ie parrot fashion)?
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^^B-I-N-G-O!!!
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Thanks for the sources people have listed! i'll definitely have a read! Also i appreciate peoples opinions on this even though some do differ but that's humans for you right? For now I'm definitely gonna stick to what i feel about this and come wedding time i'll discuss with elders polity and definitely try and help them understand. I REALLY do want all the blessings i can get and I've been saying to my mum from day 1 lets do the Nikaah in the mosque for all i care..at the end of the day it's more blessings towards a successful marriage INSHALLAH! When mum starts getting too much on my case i just remember that i'd rather have a perfect marriage than a perfect wedding day! Once again thanks for the input guys!
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But isn't it really a reputation for reading without understanding (ie parrot fashion)?
Instead of such negativity maybe you could respect the fact memorising the Quran is no small feat.
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^It's called the truth. Sorry if you have a problem with that..
Good for those who can memorise the Qur'an but I don't think it's exactly ideal to memorise something** if you have no clue what it means **(perhaps that's the reason why there is such a ridiculous level of misinformation about even the very BASICS of Islam in our culture eg forcing your kids to marry is ok, a bride's dowry should be handed to her parents, that beating your wife is ok, that living with inlaws is an obligation etc.)
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^It's called the truth. Sorry if you have a problem with that..
Good for those who can memorise the Qur'an but I don't think it's exactly ideal to memorise something** if you have no clue what it means **(perhaps that's the reason why there is soooooo much misinformation about even the very BASICS of Islam in our culture eg forcing your kids to marry is not ok, a bride's dowry belongs to her, that living with inlaws is not an obligation etc.)..
The saying/quote is based on the qualities of memorising it. Pakistan produces some of the finest Imams. It seems that you have some sort of negativity ingrained to dismiss anything positive in Islam. Reading the Quran itself brings a lot of suwaab. That is enough to learn and recite it. Besides most Quraans now have multi translations. Not perfect but certainly ideal to get a gist.
Your issue is cultural which is fair enough. It depends on families. If you have married into such a family you have to respect their ways or be straight up and dismiss them and that has nothing to do with Islam.
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pakis.................
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Cupcake I wasn't very comfortable about the quran over my head thing either so I just didn't do it. My in-laws/ parents questioned me but I told them there was no legitimate reason behind it and I just felt it might be disrespectful, I had heard that the custom was borrowed from the hindu tradition of holding the geeta over the brides heard, whether thats accurate or not I do not know but I did know there was no religious relevance to it so I didn't do it. FYI nobody said anything about it, don't think anyone really cared.
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The saying/quote is based on the qualities of memorising it. Pakistan produces some of the finest Imams. It seems that you have some sort of negativity ingrained to dismiss anything positive in Islam. Reading the Quran itself brings a lot of suwaab. That is enough to learn and recite it. Besides most Quraans now have multi translations. Not perfect but certainly ideal to get a gist.
Your issue is cultural which is fair enough. It depends on families. If you have married into such a family you have to respect their ways or be straight up and dismiss them and that has nothing to do with Islam.
Yes CEO1, I have some sort of negativity ingrained about Islam.. That's why I've said in the past I support women who choose to wear hijab + niqab, genius..
And no, if families believe in forced marriages you don't have to 'respect their ways'..
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^Yeah, I dismiss anything positive about Islam.. That's why I've said in the past I support hijab, genius..
And no, if families believe in forced marriages you don't have to 'respect their ways'..
It's clear you have comprehension issues. If you read carefully I did state you either respect it or tell them straight up what you think.
As for you supporting the hijab is a non issue and certainly not one that is being discussed in the current scenario.
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Deeba - do you know any hafiz Quran?
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Come on, guys. Nothing to argue over.
You're both correct. There's reward in memorizing the Quran, even if you don't know the meaning.
And, yes, us Pakistanis are a bit lost when it comes to Islam. It's a fact no one can deny. It'd be better if we start teaching Arabic thoroughly at an early age, rather than just how to read Arabic.
Oh, plus, we're off topic.
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Yes Stoppit, of course I do and I respect them but when people (inc other Muslims) think of Pakistan they have that image of little kids rocking back and forth learning parrot fashion and they don't really hold us up as people who are actually practising in a good way.. Honestly I would rather we were known for that than just memorising.. Anyway, as has been pointed out this is o/t so I will shut up now..
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Come on, guys. Nothing to argue over.
You're both correct. There's reward in memorizing the Quran, even if you don't know the meaning.
And, yes, us Pakistanis are a bit lost when it comes to Islam. It's a fact no one can deny. It'd be better if we start teaching Arabic thoroughly at an early age, rather than just how to read Arabic.
Oh, plus, we're off topic.
Quranic Arabic is signficantly different and harder from the regular Arabic.
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I'm against it but sadly cant do much ):
-DP
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Quranic Arabic is signficantly different and harder from the regular Arabic.
But, little kids are like sponge. You teach them and they pick it up right away.