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Across the border : or Baloch and Pathan (1890)
Across The Border Baloch and Pathan 1890 by Oliver, Edward Emmerson
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Name of Baloch founded areas in india ..
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1. Farrukhnagar : Gurgaon district Haryana state, India:
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Farrukhnagar Established in 1732 by Nawab Faujdar Khan Baloch, the first Nawab of Farrukhnagar :
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2. Bahadurgarh ("Gateway of Haryana,") Jhajjar district state of Haryana, India :
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** The city was founded by Mughal Emperor Alamgir II, who was the Sultan of Delhi from 1754 to 1759. He gave the town in jagir to Bahadur Khan and Tej Khan, Baloch rulers of Farrukhnagar in 1754, who changed its name from Sharafabad to Bahadurgarh. They also constructed a fort named Bahadurgarh Fort.
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3. City Radhanpur Patn district Gujarat state India.
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Baloch. Fateh Khan Baloch received a freedom from the Gujarat Sultan Ahmad Shah III, which included the territory of the later day city of Radhanpur.
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4. Garhi Abdullakhan Founded By Abdullah Khan Baloch Muzaffarnagar District in Uttar Pradesh, India.
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5. Town "Garhi Balochan" Founded after Baloch Community in Faridnagar nagar panchayat Ghaziabad district state of Uttar Pradesh, India.
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6. Baluchgarhi Founded after Baloch Community in Lucknow District Uttar Pradesh state in northern India.
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7. Fatehgarh Founded by Nawab Fateh Khan Baloch in the state of Uttar Pradesh,..
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** Note : Majority of Balochs founded in 300_400 Villages, towns and cities of india.. Many Others Small Town and village also founded by Baloch Nation..
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I think they got Balochized, I've heard that the Brahuis are the original inhabitants...
That might be the case, kachi plains , where mehrgarh existed, is still inhabited by brahui speaking people. Brahuis and Pashtuns are the oldest inhabitants of balochistan province of pakistan. Pashtuns have originated from sulieman mountains. There are also balochs like marris and bugtis in sulieman range but they have captured these territories from pashtuns. Brahuis, due to promixity with indo-iranians, are racially no longer dravidians of mehrgarh civilization. And balochs are quite inclusive people, they did incorporate any tribe of any race. Brahuis didnt get absorbed entirely into baloch nation, they maintained their distinct langauge and culture. State of pakistan recognize brahui as separate and distinct langauge and brahuis are listed as separate ethno-linguistic group.
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Balochs in Sindh are considered Sindhi in our society. They speak Sindhi, follow Sindhi traditions. Its not correct to say that 40% of Sindhis are of Baloch origins. Recent reserach shows that many Sindhi castes have been categorised as Balochs. Dr Nabi Bux Khan has been criticised by new researchers to tag everything in Sindh as Baloch.
Apart from all that Blaoch tribes like Chandia, Jamali and Jatoi are known as Ba-roch (Not Baloch) and their language is different than Balochi spoken in Balochistan. An other point that Sindhi researchers are now raising that 13 districts of Balochistan got Sindhi majority population and their langauge is Sindhi. These include Las-bela, and Sibbi. There are books on Sibbi dialects of Sindhi language. A sizable portion of 'Shah jo Risalo' is written in the diction of Sindhi spoken in areas forming part of Balochistan.
As far as import of culture is concerned a major theory developed in recent years is about Karo-Kari. It is said that typical Sindhi society didn't have these honor killing concepts and these customs only developed due to tribal migration in Sindh.
original Sindhi castes include Solangi (Maachi / Malah), Chaaran, Memon, Samma, Soomra, AbRa, Panhwar, Laakha, etc
Famous non-Baloch Sindhis in media are : Humera Channa, mehtab Akbar Rashidi (Mehtab Channa), Salah u din Tuniyo (father of Fahad Mustfa), Abida Parveen (her husband was Shaikh), Sanam Marvi, Sakina Sammo, Sultana Siddiqui (Chairperson Hum TV Networks), Anwar Solangi (late), etc
That was helpful and informative. So memons are sindhis. I have read that original homelands of jats was sindh?
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That was helpful and informative. So memons are sindhis. I have read that original homelands of jats was sindh?
yes Jatt (t as in sitara) is still a caste in Sindhi. There is another word used in Sindhi 'Jhatt'.. Jh pronunication doesn't exist in other languages of Pakistan. Jhatt = unrefined person (probably like Bedouin in Arabs). This might be due to the fact that Jatt/jhatt kept camels and were not aware of formalities of culture followed in settled areas. So there is a saying in Sindhi 'agar aap Jhatt ko maan/ izzat do ge, to wo jutti ke sath palang pe beth jae ga'. Somehow, my dada refers Zardari as Jatt :D
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That was helpful and informative. So memons are sindhis. I have read that original homelands of jats was sindh?
Memons are originally Sindhi and those who migrated to Kutch/ Gujarat during Arghoon / Tarkhan period, came back to their land after partition in 1947. Even before partition, they have business in Karachi. There is a joke about Memon (who came back from Indian areas) that they keep on changing their identity as Sindhi / Muhajir, considering the political situation.
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Pakistan would have been much better if the capital would have been shifted to here (DG Khan) - geographical centre of Pakistan and Pakistan’s timeline!
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O.K .I would like to ask a couple of questions here.But please do not reckon it offensive.
Is Balochistan really an integral part of Pakistan?
If it is yes,then why Baloch people are fighting for independence?Their insurgency or struggle for independence dates back to six decades.
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O.K .I would like to ask a couple of questions here.But please do not reckon it offensive.
Is Balochistan really an integral part of Pakistan?
If it is yes,then why Baloch people are fighting for independence?Their insurgency or struggle for independence dates back to six decades.
simple. When you deny people their rights they do talk about separation / independence. Be it Balochistan in Pakistan or dozen of separatist movements going on in India and other countries of the region.
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simple. When you deny people their rights they do talk about separation / independence. Be it Balochistan in Pakistan or** dozen of separatist movements going on in India** and other countries of the region.
A dozen is a very minimal as regards to independent movements in India.There are more than 50 of such movements.But you know,we are masters in crushing the backbone of all such idiotic fantasies.
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A dozen is a very minimal as regards to independent movements in India.There are more than 50 of such movements.But you know,we are masters in crushing the backbone of all such idiotic fantasies.
Nothing is permanent when it comes to boundaries of a country and its union and alienation. What matters more that people should not be deprived of their basic rights. Force is not a permanent solution. sometimes it bounce back with additional intensity. But again, no one tries to learn a lesson from history.
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That might be the case, kachi plains , where mehrgarh existed, is still inhabited by brahui speaking people. Brahuis and Pashtuns are the oldest inhabitants of balochistan province of pakistan. Pashtuns have originated from sulieman mountains. There are also balochs like marris and bugtis in sulieman range but they have captured these territories from pashtuns. Brahuis, due to promixity with indo-iranians, are racially no longer dravidians of mehrgarh civilization. And balochs are quite inclusive people, they did incorporate any tribe of any race. Brahuis didnt get absorbed entirely into baloch nation, they maintained their distinct langauge and culture. State of pakistan recognize brahui as separate and distinct langauge and brahuis are listed as separate ethno-linguistic group.
no ur wrong original inhabitants of balochistan were hindu and jats not pashtun and brahui is second language of baloch nation its a language dude not nation khan of kalat sub se baray brahui speaking baloch gozray hain un k pas apna shujra hai baloch honay ka jub afghanistan k ahmed shah pathan ne jub khan of kalat noori naseer khan se pooocha k ap ki sultanat kaha tak hai to Noori Naseer Khan ne kaha k jahan tak baloch abad hain wahan tak meri sul tanat ki hodood hai
and khan of kalat Noori Naseer Khan also said all those regions where the baloch are settled are part and parcel of our state
and khan of kalat mir abdullah khan kahar 1715–1730 was a great balochi poet who forced the afghan ruler of turkish origin shah hussain hotaki to flee from the field of action in 1725
un k ak poetry bohat mashoor howi balochi me which goes like
balochi
kohe o kalat kasiye pitay miras naya
ma pa sagara giptaga
urdu trastlation
kalat kisi k baap ki jageer nai
hum ne is ko talwar se hasil kiya hai
khan of kalat mir mohabbat khan Ahmedzai who killed the Ghilzai of turkish origin ruler of afghanistan Asraf hotaki in 1730 for nadir shah was also a great balochi poet un ki balochi poetry b hain
and khan of kalat noori naseer khan ne b balochi me poetry ki hai
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The Baloch and Balochistan by Naseer Dashti](The Baloch and Balochistan: A Historical Account from the Beginning to the ... - Naseer Dashti - Google Books)
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Farrukhnagar ruled by Baloch Nawab Faujdar Khan
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****History
Nimruz is one of the 34 provinces of Afghanistan, located in the southwestern part of the country. It is east of Iran and north of Balochistan, Pakistan it was part of Balochistan before the British invasion of Afghanistan . The province contains five districts, encompassing about 649 villages, and roughly 156,600 settled people.[SUP][1][/SUP] The city of Zaranj serves as the provincial capital and Zaranj Airport, which is located by that city, serves as a domestic airport for the province.
The name Nimruz means “mid-day” or “half-day” in Balochi.Nimruz
Further information: History of Afghanistan
**The area now composing Nimruz Province of Afghanistan was once part of the historical region of Sistan, which over the many centuries was held by the Medes, Achaemenid Empire, Alexander the Great and others before being conquered and converted to Islam by the Muslim Arabs in the 7th century. The region became part of the Saffarid dynasty in 860 CE with its capital at Zaranj, which was one of the first local dynasties of the Islamic era. Its founder Yaqub Saffari was born and raised in this region. The territory became part of the Ghaznavids followed by the Ghurids, Timurids, and Safavids.
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Nimruz region fell to Nader Shah of Khorasan in 1738 followed by Ahmad Shah Durrani in 1747. but in 1758 Khan of Kalat Mir Noori Naseer Khan Baloch defeated Ahmed Shah Durrani by revolting against and made it part of Balochistan. Under the modern Afghan governments, the province was known as Chakhansur Province until 1968, when it was separated to form the provinces of Nimruz and Farah. The city of Zaranj became the capital of Nimroz province at that time. During the Soviet war in Afghanistan, Nimruz province was heavily used by mujahideen crossing back and forth. It was also used by Afghani refugees escaping the war **
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Coins of Balochistan **State
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Symbol and Flag of State of Balochistan before joining the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
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** Home of Khan of Kalat and a symbol of Balochistan State**
Flag of Balochistan State
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Pakistan would have been much better if the capital would have been shifted to here (DG Khan) - geographical centre of Pakistan and Pakistan's timeline!
Agreed 100 percent
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Shujra(Ancestry) Mubarak of Baloch Nation**** starts from Hazrat Noah (AS)** which only the Royal Baloch family of Khan of Kalat has with them
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