History of Baloch and Balochistan

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Baloch and Balochistan

@marwati

@Mir Baloch Pashtuns also claim to be descendents of hazrat khalid bin waleed or prophet hazrat sulieman, which are not true. I think Pashtuns and balochs have made such claims out of reverence for islam. If Balochs have migrated from allepo, then the confusion about their arab origin is understandable as syria got arabized after islamic conquest. I believe that Balochs are a thousands of years old nation of persia, even genetic tests confirm that they are iranic rather than semetic , moreover their langauge is also indo-iranian. At one point they must have become distinct from other persians.

ye baloch ka genetic test kab or kahan howa hai

I will try to get my hands on the shujra of baloch which only the family of khan of kalat has jo unko hazrat noah se connect karta hai will post it here pir meri confusion khatam hogi then give me ur opinions

[marwati]

Re: History of Baloch and Balochistan

A book discussing origin, ethnography of Baloch race, can be read here,
The Baloch race. A historical and ethnological sketch

[Mir_Baloch]

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[muqawwee123]

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@marwati

It seems every notable, familiar and important personality from sindh is of Baloch origin. If 40% of Sindhis are baloch, then i am curious about original and ancient sindhis like you. Any important sindhi of non-baloch origin in showbiz, politics etc?. With such presence and influence of balochs in sindh, it must be the case that big portion of sindhi culture and traditions, customs would be derived from balochs.? Judging from the looks of sindhi-balochs, it doesnt seem they have much intermarried with indegenous population. What is the social status of a baloch in the sindhi society?

Balochs in Sindh are considered Sindhi in our society. They speak Sindhi, follow Sindhi traditions. Its not correct to say that 40% of Sindhis are of Baloch origins. Recent reserach shows that many Sindhi castes have been categorised as Balochs. Dr Nabi Bux Khan has been criticised by new researchers to tag everything in Sindh as Baloch.

Apart from all that Blaoch tribes like Chandia, Jamali and Jatoi are known as Ba-roch (Not Baloch) and their language is different than Balochi spoken in Balochistan. An other point that Sindhi researchers are now raising that 13 districts of Balochistan got Sindhi majority population and their langauge is Sindhi. These include Las-bela, and Sibbi. There are books on Sibbi dialects of Sindhi language. A sizable portion of 'Shah jo Risalo' is written in the diction of Sindhi spoken in areas forming part of Balochistan.

As far as import of culture is concerned a major theory developed in recent years is about Karo-Kari. It is said that typical Sindhi society didn't have these honor killing concepts and these customs only developed due to tribal migration in Sindh.

original Sindhi castes include Solangi (Maachi / Malah), Chaaran, Memon, Samma, Soomra, AbRa, Panhwar, Laakha, etc

Famous non-Baloch Sindhis in media are : Humera Channa, mehtab Akbar Rashidi (Mehtab Channa), Salah u din Tuniyo (father of Fahad Mustfa), Abida Parveen (her husband was Shaikh), Sanam Marvi, Sakina Sammo, Sultana Siddiqui (Chairperson Hum TV Networks), Anwar Solangi (late), etc

[muqawwee123]

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@Mir_Baloch

Baloch Origin

L. M. Dames says that Balochs are ancestral Iranian, who migrated from the southern coastline of the Caspian Sea. L. W. Oshanen, a well-known anthropologist of the Soviet Union, has supported Dames’ theory. The northern and southern Balochs, however, consider themselves of Arab descent, and Aleppo their first homeland. There is no doubt that Baloch tribes, particularly Bugti, and Rind, joined the Balochs during wars in Baloch regions, so there were many Arabs in that area at the time. To this viewpoint that Balochs are Arabs, Rai Bahadur Hetoraam also agrees and identifies them as descendants of Hazrat Ameer Hamza, uncle of prophet of Islam, Muhammad.

old Balochi Epic

.يگ وت کھوشتی مہ ملکا ، اے جھان خان گل ايں
ما مريدوں يا علی ، اے دين ايمان پشتيں
حمزہ اولاد بلوچی ، ہوب درگاہ گر دين
کل بلا بھمپور نياما ، شہر سيستان مريض ا ز حلبا پھاز کھايوں ، گوں يزيداں جھيڑويں

Now have an overview on those anecdote that are based upon Balochi Ancient poetry, reasoning that the Baloch are Qureshi Arabs ( Generation of Hazrat Ibrahim). All Baloch are well-renowned due to hospitality like Arabs, no doubt whom ancestor is Hazrat Ibrahim. On the other hand Balochs curls are Imitation of Spiritual Hierarchical . Prayers of al-Aqsa Mosque never shaved there poll hair. some Baloch tribes also follow the Practice of Hazrat Abraham to judge the Truth and Falsehood by moving the suspicious person on the live coal (Baloch use Specially wood of “Kaheer” (because its coal does not turns into ash within about 24 hours) .

Briefly describing, first of all a channel (about 10 ft (3.0 m) in length, 4 ft (1.2 m) in width and 3 ft (0.91 m) depth) is dug and wood of Kaheer (commonly) is burnt to prepare coal during this time a reciter recites some verses of the Qur’an, after that the suspicious person is asked to walk on the blazing coal in the presence of Above All (Muqadams, white beard men). If he is true then coal never burns his feet, a blameless Baloch has faith in this fact to that day. It is known by “Patt” in Balochi .

according to Syed Ilm Ali Shah jilani who was a Saint whose wife was a baloch and whose shrine is in Karachi when he was asked if baloch are qureshi he became angry and said baloch are hashmi not qureshi he said the syed started from bibi fatima

there is a another old balochi epic which goes like

we are son of hamza
we are followers of Ali
we are in war with yazid
we migrated from Halab

when I myself asked of of the relatives of khan of kalat on Facebook he said we are descendants of hazrat noah and we also have shujra of that

Hazrat Ibram’s origins and calling

Terah, the tenth in descent from Noah, begat three sons, Abram (later called Abraham), Nahor, and Haran. Haran begat Lot (who was thus Abram’s nephew), and died in his native city, Ur of the Chaldees. Abram married Sarai, who was barren
Hazrat Ibrahim

Hazrat Noah

and some people told me that molana rumi shows habib ibne mazahir as baloch in his book and he writes that when habib bin mazahir was martyred yazeed oppressed the baloch and force them to leave the area

Baloch Origin

@muqawwee123 need ur thoughts and help

can’t say anything with surety. But ruins of MehrgaRh tells us that Balochistan’s civilisation (7000 BC) is one of oldest civilisations in the world and was inhibited way before people / nations started migrating from regions mentioned in Abrahamic religions.

[BruceWayne]

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@Mir_Baloch

u smell of anti-baloch thats why i ignore u

Lol I'm not anti-Baloch in the slightest.............

[BruceWayne]

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@muqawwee123

can't say anything with surety. But ruins of MehrgaRh tells us that Balochistan's civilisation (7000 BC) is one of oldest civilisations in the world and was inhibited way before people / nations started migrating from regions mentioned in Abrahamic religions.

Back then "Balochistan" wasn't called Balochistan, it was called Gedrosia, the modern day people of that region aka Baloch came like 1000 years ago.

[muqawwee123]

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@BruceWayne

Back then "Balochistan" wasn't called Balochistan, it was called Gedrosia, the modern day people of that region aka Baloch came like 1000 years ago.

But then where did original inhabitant of the area lost?

[BruceWayne]

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@muqawwee123

But then where did original inhabitant of the area lost?

I think they got Balochized, I've heard that the Brahuis are the original inhabitants...

[muqawwee123]

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if Balochs are just 1000 years old migrants, then who fought against Arab armies in Makran during Hazrat Omar's period?

[Mir_Baloch]

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@BruceWayne

I think they got Balochized, I've heard that the Brahuis are the original inhabitants...

brahui is a language not nation Mr Anti-Baloch

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Baloch and Balochistan

@BruceWayne

I think they got Balochized, I've heard that the Brahuis are the original inhabitants...

brahui speaking people are baloch me peechay is ka reference b de chuka hun or discuss b karchuka hun han albatha Ghilzai kharoto hotaki are turkish not pathan

[muqawwee123]

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@Mir_Baloch

brahui is a language not nation mr marwati pathan

Let people express their views. If you got opposite views, just present that with reference. This will help people learn more about your race and its history. Otherwise, no one will be interested to share his views.

[Mir_Baloch]

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@muqawwee123

Let people express their views. If you got opposite views, just present that with reference. This will help people learn more about your race and its history. Otherwise, no one will be interested to share his views.

me pechay reference de choka hun brahui baloch tribes ka or discuss b kiya hai bar bar nai karna cha tha

[muqawwee123]

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@Mir_Baloch

me pechay reference de choka hun brahui baloch tribes ka or discuss b kiya hai bar bar nai karna cha tha

Then just simply refer to post no. , as its not possible for posters to have gone through each and every post in a lengthy thread like this.

[Mir_Baloch]

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@muqawwee123

Let people express their views. If you got opposite views, just present that with reference. This will help people learn more about your race and its history. Otherwise, no one will be interested to share his views.

if he gives anti-baloch biased views so i reserve the right to answer him back to counter his propaganda

[Mir_Baloch]

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@BruceWayne

I think they got Balochized, I’ve heard that the Brahuis are the original inhabitants…

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Brahui Speaking Baloch Tribes

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**Brahui Speaking Baloch Tribes

[muqawwee123]

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@Mir_Baloch

if he gives anti-baloch views so i reserve the right to answer him back and counter his propaganda

Just expressing an opposite view on a historical topic is not anti-race or traitor. This attitude of considering your views as fragile only suits to dictators. You know history didn't get one version. Raja Dahir may be hero for some groups in Sindh, but he has been portrayed as ultimate villain in popular history of Pakistan. If tomorrow I open a thread on Sindh and Sindh's history and any member come up with popular version of history regarding Raja Dahir, I don't think I got right to call him / her anti-Sindhi. Try accommodating different and opposing views, research further for your views. This will help increase your knowledge and also will help you in other fields of life.

Good night :)

[Mir_Baloch]

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@muqawwee123

Just expressing an opposite view on a historical topic is not anti-race or traitor. This attitude of considering your views as fragile only suits to dictators. You know history didn't get one version. Raja Dahir may be hero for some groups in Sindh, but he has been portrayed as ultimate villain in popular history of Pakistan. If tomorrow I open a thread on Sindh and Sindh's history and any member come up with popular version of history regarding Raja Dahir, I don't think I got right to call him / her anti-Sindhi. Try accommodating different and opposing views, research further for your views. This will help increase your knowledge and also will help you in other fields of life.

Good night :)

oh plzz do share I love Sind and Sindhi people :)

[muqawwee123]

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@Mir_Baloch

oh plzz do share I love Sind and Sindhi people :)

will do.. Lets people first enjoy and participate in 'Pashtun' and 'Baloch' history threads.