Hindu Pani, Muslim Pani

[muqawwee123]

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Ninja. Do you know about Maulana Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhyanwi, who opposed ‘Hindu Pani, Muslim Pani’ move by British.

Maulana Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianvi was one of the few influential Muslims who not only opposed the two-nation theory but also fought against it. In fact, he was so upset and dejected over Partition that he could not resist shouting at Jawaharlal Nehru, with whom he enjoyed cordial relationship.

**The Maulana literally lived by his nationalist ideals. When Pandit Nehru unfurled the tricolour on the banks of the Ravi, the Maulana unfurled it in Ludhiana. He also vehemently opposed the “Hindu pani, Muslim pani” move of the British to put separate pitchers for Hindus and Muslims at railway stations. After his strong resistance, the move was withdrawn.
**
Maulana Habib-ur-Rehman Ludhianavi - Freedom Fighter

[ninja_hattori]

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Actually this is first time i m reading about this concept of hindu pani and muslim pani.......
our elders talk about other horrors but never heard about this kind of division of water...

[ninja_hattori]

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our history books have given less space for such nationalist leaders.............:(

[muqawwee123]

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@ninja_hattori

Actually this is first time i m reading about this concept of hindu pani and muslim pani…
our elders talk about other horrors but never heard about this kind of division of water…

Here is an article published in 1946 which shows, how people felt for this discrimination.

Collected Works/Volume 92/Hindu Pani And Muslim Pani (20th October 1946) - Gwiki

HINDU PANI AND MUSLIM PANI

A stranger travelling in Indian trains may well have a painful shock when he hears at railway stations for the first time in his life ridiculous sounds about pani, tea and the like being either Hindu or Muslim. It would be repulsive now that the Government at the Centre is wholly national and a well-known Indian in the person of Asaf Ali Saheb is in charge of Transport and Railways. It is to be hoped that we shall soon have the last of the shame that is peculiarly Indian. Let no one imagine that Railways being under a Muslim, Hindus may not get justice. In the Central and Provincial Governments, there is or should be no Hindu, Muslim or any other communal distinctions. All are Indians. Religion is a personal matter. Moreover, the members of the Cabinet have set up a wholesome convention that they should always meet at the end of the day’s work and take stock of what each member has done. It is team work in which the members are jointly and severally responsible for one another’s work. It is not open to any member to say that a particular thing is not his work because it is no part of his portfolio. We have a right therefore to assume that this unholy practice of having separate everything for every community at railway stations will go. Scrupulous cleanliness is a desideratum for all. If taps are used for all liquids there need be no compunction felt by the most orthodox about helping themselves. A fastidious person may keep his own lota and cup and receive his milk, tea, coffee or water through a tap. In this there is no inter- ference with religion. No one is compelled to buy anything at railway stations. As a matter of fact many orthodox persons fast for water and food during travel. **Thanks we still breathe the same air, walk on the same mother earth.
**

** All communal cries at least at railway stations should be unlaw- ful.**

As I have often said in these columns trains and steamers are the best media for the practical education of the millions of travellers in spotless cleanliness, hygiene, sanitation and camaraderie between the different communities of India. Let us hope that the Cabinet will have the courage to act up to their convictions and may confidently expect the hearty co-operation of the Railway staff and the public in making this much needed reform a thorough success.

New Delhi, October 12, 1946

Harijan, 20-10-1946

[the_kaur]

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The concept is still alive to certain extent in rural landscape. Recently I was in the UP village in central UP where Dalits had separate handpump in there side of village and Yadavs/Lodis had different on their side. Hindus have a word "Mleccha" for scavengers, meat eaters etc, Muslims used to eat beef hence they were "mleecha" according to high caste hindu.

Later Indira started policy of "pyaoo" at railway stations manned by Dalits and other lower caste hence this system of seprate water at public place has vanished. Casteism has limited appeal in Cities but its roots are intact in rural India where 70 percent of India lives:)

[muqawwee123]

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What was the idea behind 'Pyaoo'? I mean, how it worked?

[the_kaur]

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What was the idea behind 'Pyaoo'? I mean, how it worked?

Pyaauu means a source of drinking water still some old buildings are found at small stations, The government policy was to have only single source of water, few earthen pots manned by some lower caste to provide water to every traveller, now every railway station has taps and everyone uses it, forward castes still either carry their water or use mineral water, more for hygienic reasons than religious reasons

[Ali_Syed]

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I once met some one from Hyderabad, India and he said that there’s segregation of people in India. Like shudars cannot live in the areas of Brahmins, similarly muslims cannot live in separate localities. Therefore most of the castes are confined in their own areas. Is this phenomena prevalent in some areas or most of India?

The Hindu : Of Hindu Pani, Muslim Pani

Stepping in next was Sahitya Akademi award winning Punjabi author Ajeet Cour. She read out her short story “Happy New Year” translated into English by Khushwant Singh.
“We all are so used to black comedy. So I thought let there be black humour of tolerance today”, said the writer of “Khana Bados”. She continued, "This occasion reminds me of a childhood incident. While we were in a train to India after Partition, I as a child was quite perplexed to see at the railway stations separate drinking water facilities for Hindu and Muslim communities. Seeing Hindu Pani' and Muslim Pani’, I asked my mother, is there any `Muslim Hawa’ also"? And, there arose a collective sigh from the audience.

[Southie]

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Peene Walton ko
Peene ka
Bahana chahiye

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

I once met some one from Hyderabad, India and he said that there’s segregation of people in India. Like shudars cannot live in the areas of Brahmins, similarly muslims cannot live in separate localities. Therefore most of the castes are confined in their own areas. Is this phenomena prevalent in some areas or most of India?

The Hindu : Of Hindu Pani, Muslim Pani

Stepping in next was Sahitya Akademi award winning Punjabi author Ajeet Cour. She read out her short story “Happy New Year” translated into English by Khushwant Singh.
“We all are so used to black comedy. So I thought let there be black humour of tolerance today”, said the writer of “Khana Bados”. She continued, "This occasion reminds me of a childhood incident. While we were in a train to India after Partition, I as a child was quite perplexed to see at the railway stations separate drinking water facilities for Hindu and Muslim communities. Seeing Hindu Pani' and Muslim Pani’, I asked my mother, is there any `Muslim Hawa’ also"? And, there arose a collective sigh from the audience.

Ali things may have got better with the paasage of time as we see that there is no such distinction followed in western countries, where Muslims and Hindu work together and as the kaur mentioned Indian governments introduced systems like payo to eradicate this, but again we can make all good laws and arrangements to promote harmony, but biases rooted down in pshchology of human beings can not be easily done away with

[muqawwee123]

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@Southie

Peene Walton ko Peene ka Bahana chahiye

lols. Its not about Limo Pani or Cadbury dairy milk uncle

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

Ali things may have got better with the paasage of time as we see that there is no such distinction followed in western countries, where Muslims and Hindu work together and as the kaur mentioned Indian governments introduced systems like payo to eradicate this, but again we can make all good laws and arrangements to promote harmony, but biases rooted down in pshchology of human beings can not be easily done away with

What I mentioned is what I heard from some one 10 years ago.

[Southie]

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Just as an aside, Ali_Syed you will see in abt post 3 I have criticized the way Muslims were and probably still treated with respect to housing discrimination in Mumbai. Wrong is wrong - no matter who does it.

[STA]

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I think, present day India is more different than the one 60 years ago. Muslim and Hindu pani is also diminishing but certainly it is issue in few parts of India. Time will change many thing. A moderate India may be favorable in the interest of moderate Pakistan and vice versa.

[calypsodc]

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I havent seen the hindu and muslim pani issue in the south in cities and towns in my lifetime. It was probably there 60-40 years ago. In the villages, it may still be there. I used to do a little social work in college. In villages, I have seen hindus who are in majority discriminate against muslims, hindus against minority dalits, muslim majority village against hindus, muslims against dalits and even dalit majority villages intimidating other caste people. Discrimination is not consigned to any one community. Unfortunately, across religious and caste barriers,everybody seems to be eager to indulge in it given a chance. What we need is iron clad secular laws that makes sure every one is treated decently and equally irrespective of what their religious, cultural and community may say. This is the 21st century for Gods sake.

[Ali_Syed]

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^ I think educating the masses would do the job in the long run.

[Southie]

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I havent seen the hindu and muslim pani issue in the south in cities and towns in my lifetime. It was probably there 60-40 years ago. In the villages, it may still be there. I used to do a little social work in college. In villages, I have seen hindus who are in majority discriminate against muslims, hindus against minority dalits, muslim majority village against hindus, muslims against dalits and even dalit majority villages intimidating other caste people. Discrimination is not consigned to any one community. Unfortunately, across religious and caste barriers,everybody seems to be eager to indulge in it given a chance. What we need is iron clad secular laws that makes sure every one is treated decently and equally irrespective of what their religious, cultural and community may say. This is the 21st century for Gods sake.

An honest post. Spoken like a True Progressive. You make the best case for a secular govt ( with iron clad secular laws).

[muqawwee123]

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An honest post. Spoken like a True Progressive. You make the best case for a secular govt ( with iron clad secular laws).

Was British Government of United India right winger?

[waleedhbk]

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Mjhe to sirf ek pani ka he pta hai woh hai Nariel Pani :cobra: