Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
And who was stopping muslims??
Obviously we are not discussing History here, but I think it is a welll known fact that muslims had the worst treatment in the hands of the British Raj.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
I'd have no problem with this televised conversion only if I knew people we free to leave Islam too. Ex-Muslims are expected to hush up and keep on pretending to be be Muslims. They dare not reject religion or they risk being persecuted. A normal Pakistani wouldn't survive very long if he came on TV and told everyone that he left Islam cause it stopped making sense to him. What am I talking about, he'd never be allowed on Television in the first place.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
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Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Islam gives freedom to other religions to practice their faiths freely, so in that sense everyone is free to do so in Pakistan.
**Pakistan was created because muslims were not really given that freedom in India.
**Btw, I think converting religion is a personal thing and should not be made into viewing entertainment, especially as it is likely to offend the people of the faith being abandoned.
Pakistan was created so that all of the large Muslim population in India did not end up being a perpetual minority in the independent democartic India - as in democracies, majority rule.
Pakistan was supposed to be comprised of the 'Muslim-majority provinces' including 'all' of Punjab and 'all' of Bengal.
This would have included the parts of the two provinces with large non-Muslim populations.
The idea was to have a balance/parity of population/demographics in the two new democratic states of India and Pakistan.
With both countries containing large minority populations.
That way, there would have been a stronger/larger non-Muslim minority in Pakistan and it would not have been an exclusively Muslim state.
Of course, various forces did not let that happen and a truncated/weaker Pakistan came into being.
Most of the bloodshed at partition was also caused by cutting up of the Punjab and Bengal provinces into halves.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Why should an Islamic Republic not favour Islamic conversion? And following logically it should also not favour conversion to other faiths ...?
As for the general public being 'ignorant' and putting pressure on minorities or for the minorities 'acting over-victimised' further alienating themselves - all of that is the fault of the general public ....
Policy in an Islamic Republic should be - encouragement to Islamic ideals, whilst respecting and protecting every human - even the most dissenting voice. We as humans have been put on the earth as vicegerents for Allah (SWT) ... by extension Muslims need to lead "humanity" by example of being kind and considerate. There is nothing wrong in promoting conversion through the media to Islam - because it breeds goodness - it should make the Muslims realise that we aught straighten up ... There is no basis for non-Muslims to feel threatened by this ... if they are threatened then that is a problem, which is a separate matter .
Alongside people converting Muslims need to be shown in the media protecting and taking good care of the minorities to show that not only is it noble to accept the invitation to Islam, but those who do not are completely safe and protected.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
United States of America, Canada etc. are the best countries to live as religious minorities; Pakistan is one of the worst choice a non muslim can make to live as a minority.
Unless Muslims change in Pakistan, but that aint going to happen. Day is not far when samboosas will be banned in Pakistan.lol
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Buddy you live in your theoretical lala land in UK..
I personally know a guy who used to recite Quran on his way to his factory sitting on his back seat in the car… and he was killed by a mob in his factory because he took off an old Ramzan calendar from the wall and was accused of blasphemy. The doctors who made the autopsy on his dead body told me he has never seen such a mutilated dead body. He had hundreds of fractured bones and was subjected to this mob violence for at least an hour with police standing as a bystander… What you think is an encouragement to promote Islam in our country has become a sheer madness and stupidity..
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
You should read more carefully …
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
You should read more carefully ...
Come to the real world buddy.. most of the people living here are not philosophers like you..
Sitting in a peaceful atmosphere in UK and visiting your Islamic center daily is different and trying to improve this country from within living here.. running industries-business living here is something different..
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Thanks for the self-righteous lecture, Mr. Holier-than-Thou.
Why don’t you go check the status of all religious minorities in India.
Pehlay apnay ghar mein to jhaaroo de lo.
When was the last Christian nun or priest burnt alive ?
Or other lower-caste Hindus who dared convert to Christianity ?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=29b_1219688478
Sick and tired of the pot calling the kettle black mentality.
I think each side should criticize their own rather than lecturing the other side.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Come to the real world buddy.. most of the people living here are not philosophers like you..
Sitting in a peaceful atmosphere in UK and visiting your Islamic center daily is different and trying to improve this country from within living here.. running industries-business living here is something different..
Living there has not done you any favours ... obviously
I agree what I say is not what is reflected on the ground ... But I always say it aught to ... At least acknowledge that much that Islam brings POTENTIALLY the best ideology for civilisation.
All we have to do is adopt it properly. Easier said than done hey?
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Living there has not done you any favours ... obviously
It has done to me or not.. it has given employment to thousands of people with my effort and capital.. obviously..!!!!
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
It has done to me or not.. it has given employment to thousands of people with my effort and capital.. obviously..!!!!
Well done brother ... Unfortunately "jobs" is not going to solve the issue of prejudice ...
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Well done brother ... Unfortunately "jobs" is not going to solve the issue of prejudice ...
People here can not have their stomachs filled with your philosophies here in this country.. with this kind of religious extremism and persecution of minorities.. and religious criminals.. we don't have a big chance to do something concretely good for the economic betterment of our fellow countrymen..
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
People here can not have their stomachs filled with your philosophies here in this country.. with this kind of religious extremism and persecution of minorities.. and religious criminals.. we don't have a big chance to do something concretely good for the economic betterment of our fellow countrymen..
These are desperate words for a person who has made thousands of people employed ... Look I don't want to argue with you about employment - I'm talking about ... how a Hindu wanted to convert and it was shown on TV - this is not justification for minorities to be maltreated - rather Muslims should treat them even more nicely - perhaps more will convert ... and if they don't then at least they feel well looked after ... Sheesh and then some ... !!!
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
These are desperate words for a person who has made thousands of people employed ... Look I don't want to argue with you about employment - I'm talking about ... how a Hindu wanted to convert and it was shown on TV - this is not justification for minorities to be maltreated - rather Muslims should treat them even more nicely - perhaps more will convert ... and if they don't then at least they feel well looked after ... Sheesh and then some ... !!!
Why we have to show conversions on media..
We need to teach the people to keep their religions to themselves..
As far as the social fabric of our society is concerned we should concentrate on honesty-fair treatment of human beings from all the religions..
We have enough of this religious dosage in our country..
We have more than 70 sects of Islam also in our country..
We have people who practically worship the shrines in this country.. and they are officially muslims.. and these people are not small in numbers..
It's easy to comment like you living in UK and visiting your Islamic center daily.. but living here is a different ball game altogether..
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
... ... how a Hindu wanted to convert and it was shown on TV - this is not justification for minorities to be maltreated - rather Muslims should treat them even more nicely -...... .. ... !!!
First, Muslims in Pakistan should start treating other Muslims more nicely.....
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Yes yazdi ... I totally understand your predicament ... but I guess I'm hopeful ... If I can portray the light of Islam the way it was meant to be portrayed (in my delusion of being capable) then perhaps people will see that there is another option - the best option. Dawah is the name of the game ... brother yazdi and the best form of that is by being optimistic, kind, considerate and accepting.
It seems that you don't want to accept or tolerate the 70 sects ... I don't like the fact that we have split up ... but for sure the Islam that I profess to teaches me to treat every member of those people with the humanity that they were born in to ...
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
First, Muslims in Pakistan should start treating other Muslims more nicely.....
But I hope you don't mean that until we start doing that non-Muslims have to wait to be treated nicely ...
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
First, Muslims in Pakistan should start treating other Muslims more nicely.....
90% of the religious violence victims in Pakistan are good muslims.. and I can not give you a better example than Najeeb who was killed by the mob.. He was my personal friend and I have not known a better muslim than him in my life strictly speaking in religious terms. He used to have very conservative religious views.. even after he was kidnapped by Taliban for a huge ransom and stayed in their custody for more than 2 months.. He used to recite Quran in his car sitting with three body guards after that when he used to go to his factory.. totally harmless-positive guy.. and his body was mutilated to an extent that I can not explain you..
What was his fault..
We have enough of this religious criminality in our country..!!!!