Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

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And if you believe i am biased, trust me you sound just as much the same. Alright I am not at the receiving end of it but *I have seen the people who are at the receiving end *of the atrocities commited by the majority anyway. And this has taken place every where, and I never said Pakistan is any exception. Now if you stop playing all innocent and helpless, I would ask you what *you would have done *had you been living in a country where you were the majority? Its always the easiest to play the innocent and play innocent and blame others for your (self created) plight. If you find yourself threatened being a minority, you can anytime move to a country which is more sympathetic to you, as obviously there are tons out there, (precisely all the Islam haters, because they so see eye to eye with your lot) and if you think its not about *you *being safe only, since you already made your way out of our atrocious extremist country, please take your lot outta here too. This is the best service you can do towards your lot. Instead of bad mouthing our country always, and igniting this hatred, which isnt doing any good to anyone.
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Wasn't Pakistan created as a nation for all people, minorities included. What would the founding fathers of Pakistan think of your comments?

[Southie]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

Why should I not, now, CG?

And if you believe i am biased, trust me you sound just as much the same. Alright I am not at the receiving end of it but *I have seen the people who are at the receiving end *of the atrocities commited by the majority anyway. And this has taken place every where, and I never said Pakistan is any exception. Now if you stop playing all innocent and helpless, I would ask you what *you would have done *had you been living in a country where you were the majority? Its always the easiest to play the innocent and play innocent and blame others for your (self created) plight. If you find yourself threatened being a minority, you can anytime move to a country which is more sympathetic to you, as obviously there are tons out there, (precisely all the Islam haters, because they so see eye to eye with your lot) and if you think its not about *you *being safe only, since you already made your way out of our atrocious extremist country, please take your lot outta here too. This is the best service you can do towards your lot. Instead of bad mouthing our country always, and igniting this hatred, which isnt doing any good to anyone.

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I don't follow this logic -if a minority feels threatened or if some person makes a comment minority may feel threatened, they should just get out?

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

How are Muslims who leave Islam treated, there are many people who would impose the death penalty on apostates but would encourage others to convert to Islam, it really doesn't make much sense.

[Southie]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

My bad, I thought this was some live Ramadan majlis programme, since I hadn't watched it. Just read this was Maya Khan's show and I'm like surprise surprise...

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If simply broadcasting a live conversion was enough to make the hindu community fear the worst of the worst repercussions, then isn't it also justified why the muslim minorities in the non-muslim countries often protest so strongly about anti-Islam propaganda considering hate crimes are on a rise? They’re not protesting to publicized conversions, they’re protesting to filth like the Dutch documentary or the French cartoons or the notorious Indian media’s fabricated reports or Terry Jones’s Quran burning sessions. So why is it that we, myself included, label those protests silly and irrational? I can pull up tens of posts from here saying that those muslims are being hypersensitive and they can leave the country if they feel threatened/offended, instead of saying yeah the authorities should respect the sensitivities of the minorities. I mean why should a non-secular country come under greater scrutiny than a secular country for allowing hate speech?

I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Let me put it this way… let’s say Indian muslims protested against persecution, that would make complete sense. But if they created so much uproar over some bollywood movie scene or some star plus controversy, that wouldn’t make any sense to me. Similarly, I don’t get the uproar over telecasting a conversion (unless it was forced or Hinduism was bashed) but I stand by the Pakistani minorities in speaking up against the persecution and putting pressure on the government to put an end to it.

First 2 sentence of 2nd para - you have essentially stated Indian muslimsxare persecuted. Now I will dig up post where you stated Muslims having preferred status in Pakistan is understandable. Am bad with multiquoting.

[diwana]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

@CM

This was retarded. Maya Khan should be charged with endangering the peace or something and thrown in jail. Anybody defending such stupidity should ask themselves the question would be cheering if it was a Muslim who converted on live tv in India to Hinduism?

So what’s the point here?

Is it about feeling bad that a hindu converted to islam or is it about minority feeling threatened?

Two different issues. Try not to lump them together.

The event was broadcast without any threat to anyone or bashing any religion.

It is understandable that hindu person would not feel good about it. Similarly a muslim/Christian/whatver religion would not feel good on someone leaving his/her religion. Why not leave at that? Why stretch it to ‘oppression’, intimidation or fearful feeling?

Are muslms not allowed to feel good for someone’s conversion to Islam in Islamic country?

This sort of criticism and media uproar is just to intimidate the anchor/TV channel and large population of muslims in their own country.

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

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I don't follow this logic -if a minority feels threatened or if some person makes a comment minority may feel threatened, they should just get out?
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So all it takes is some extremists to make minorities feel threatened and that will encourage them to leave. Maybe that was the intention of the producer of this show?

[Southie]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

@BarbieCue

Faith is a personal matter, I don't know why we need to publicise it when someone changes their faith.

That said, this doesn't sound like a purposely publicised conversion aired just to rub it in the hindus' faces. This happened to be a live show where the guy happened to convert by choice. Don't know why anyone would be offended unless this was a forced conversion or the tv channel had some malicious agenda?

And isn't it self-explanatory why other religions don't enjoy the same status in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as much as Islam does? The whole hindu vs muslims shebang was the reason Pakistan was created in the first place. Decades later, we still haven't moved on I guess.

1st of last para is where you have stated Muslims understandably enjoy preferential stattus. In other words minorities are discriminated AND it is understandable per your logic. While Indian Muslims - they are persecuted
I hope you can see the bias in your posts.

[mirage]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

whatever.

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

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my comment is directed towards the elements who are still biased regarding the existence of Pakistan as a separate Muslim entity. You dont really need to mince my words and twist them just to fill satisfy your false ego.
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I have not minced any words, but I am asking a simple question which hasn't been answered?

Wasn't Pakistan created as a nation for all people, minorities included???

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

Its amazing to me how so many Muslims enjoy freedom and tolerance in Western nations but do not offer that tolerance to minorities in their own countries. That doesn't mean there aren't tolerant Muslims there certainily are but there are way too many dangerous extremists too.

[mirage]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

whatever.

[mirage]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

you know what sangsingh, its plain you dont *want *​to listen. Talk whatever pleases you. Do we even bother?

[diwana]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

@BarbieCue

........ That said, this doesn't sound like a purposely publicised conversion aired just to rub it in the hindus' faces. This happened to be a live show where the guy happened to convert by choice. Don't know why anyone would be offended unless this was a forced conversion or the tv channel had some malicious agenda?

And isn't it self-explanatory why other religions don't enjoy the same status in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as much as Islam does? The whole hindu vs muslims shebang was the reason Pakistan was created in the first place. Decades later, we still haven't moved on I guess.

1st of last para is where you have stated Muslims understandably enjoy preferential stattus. In other words minorities are discriminated AND it is understandable per your logic. While Indian Muslims - they are persecuted I hope you can see the bias in your posts.

I fail to see where that post said anything about Indian muslims....let alone any reference to them being persecuted.

The way I understood is that since Pakistan was built on religious divide and majority muslims areas were converted toPakistan, obviously the country would have laws in which muslims would benefit.

Again there is nothing in the post which stated that other religions in Pakistan would not have their freedom.

Hence in that post,

Nothing about Indian Muslims being persecuted, and nothing about Pakistani hindus being persecuted.

You just added that yourself. :)

BBcue can agree or disagree.

[STA]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

In India: Hindu openly converting to Islam on Live TV. According to Indian constitution, every Indian has right to exercise whatever religion he/she wants to.

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

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Yea but now its "minorities" who have a problem here, dont they? Did any pakistani muslim ever start a thread on here on GS that we hate minorities and dont want them? Or has any procession ever taken place in any part of Pakistan which are anti minorities?

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Many poster both Muslim and non-Muslim find this sort of television quite offensive, I can tell you for sure many Muslims in the UK would certainly not be happy about this had this been a Pakistani who had converted to Christanity and then been braodcasted on tv. But tell you what British tv would be more considerate to Muslims.

There are are many deplorable abuses committed against Muslims around the world, like you just stated and those can be discussed but that doesn't mean you ignore the minorities in Pakistan.

[MM]

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I think the main issue is that we’re Muslims looking from the out-side in.

Of course we’re going to be happy for someone who converted into our religion. Because, Subhan Allah, our religion is one of peace.

But, what I’ve come to learn, even after talk to my mom about it, minorities are not treated equally. So it’s understandable to minorities, especially worshipers of Hindu faith in Pakistan, to be concerned by this display as Pakistan was once established to be a (predominantly) Muslim country, to separate us from the other faith, which at the time was Hinduism and Christianity.

Aside from Pakistan, even in countries and nations elsewhere, minorities are not treated equally. The word it’s self… “minorities” gives a feeling of being less than others.

I opened this thread not understanding what the big deal was, because I wasn’t looking at the big picture.

But if you think about it, had someone in India (willingly) converted a Muslim to Hinduism or Sikhism (as those are the dominate religions in India), AND broadcasted it on live TV, we as Pakistani Muslims would be concerned too. Along with the Muslims living in India, I’m sure.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m sure there are plenty of people from multiple faiths converting into Islam as well as
Muslims converting into other faiths, but it’s not showed or televised.

So what I’m trying to say is, rather than be upset at those who are understand the issue, try and put your self in their shoes.

Accusations and assumptions are very easy to conjure up. But we’re not there. We don’t know how Muslims are being treated in India, just like we don’t “really” know how non-Muslims are being treated in Pakistan… At least I don’t.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and choices. Let and let live.

My reason for posting this thread was not to cause conflict between people, but to raise awareness of something that happened and is being considered a controversial topic that involved our country and faith.

[sanjsingh]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

@mirage

you know what sangsingh, its plain you dont *want *​to listen. Talk whatever pleases you. Do we even bother?

Ok mate, lets not argue, hope you enjoy your popcorn

[mirage]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

whatever.

[BarbieCue]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

First 2 sentence of 2nd para - you have essentially stated Indian muslimsxare persecuted.

Are you saying they aren't?

In other words minorities are discriminated AND it is understandable per your logic. While Indian Muslims - they are persecuted I hope you can see the bias in your posts.

Twisting my words again. I said it is understandable why the dominant religion of a country would be the most celebrated/popular religion in the country. Where did I say discrimination is understandable? Did you not read when I said I stand by the Pakistani minorities in speaking up against the persecution and putting pressure on the government to put an end to it? What does that tell you - that I not only condone discrimination but am also turning a blind eye to it?

Jeez, I have not and will never defend discrimination. All I was saying was I don't get the uproar over a tv show because if we were to start listing stuff in the media that could potentially incite hatred, I could list hundreds of things that the so-called secularists seem to be okay with. That's all I was saying, don't twist or complicate it, please.

[MM]

Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

*[invisable quote here] *

Holy moly…

Who said anything about sides? This is exactly why I said what I did in my last post.
This was my first time in PA so I have nooo idea who hovers and attacks and who doesn’t.

Everyone is patriotic to their country, and with reason! I love Pakistan, no doubt about it. But religion and being patriotic are two separate things.

I’m not exactly what I said that made you so angry to the point that you had to get vulgar… But what ever floats your boat.

I accept everyone for who they are and what they believe. I’m not going to hate someone based on what they believe or where they’re from. But clearly, not everyone is like that.