Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Now your just rambling. How do u know for certain that he was not forced to convert? Just answer the question or admit u don’t know…
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
where about is this video?
I’ve gone back a few pages and got tired of looking for it. 
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Now your just rambling. How do u know for certain that he was not forced to convert? Just answer the question or admit u don't know...
Based on what is seen, there is no reason to think of forced conversion here. He himself said he came on his will.
Till you bring concrete evidence of alleged forced conversion of this man, you have no ground. Bring the evidence and we will talk. :)
You make the allegation, you have the burden of proof!
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^ and the inevitable comes to pass. One more topic, one more debate, and the record, drumroll.........
STILL UNDEFEATED!!!!!!!!!!!
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If simply broadcasting a live conversion was enough to make the hindu community fear the worst of the worst repercussions, ...] I mean why should a non-secular country come under greater scrutiny than a secular country for allowing hate speech?I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Let me put it this way… let’s say Indian muslims protested against persecution, that would make complete sense. But if they created so much uproar over some bollywood movie scene or some star plus controversy, that wouldn’t make any sense to me. Similarly, I don’t get the uproar over telecasting a conversion (unless it was forced or Hinduism was bashed) but I stand by the Pakistani minorities in speaking up against the persecution and putting pressure on the government to put an end to it.
If you don't 'get the uproar,' it may be because you lack understanding of the realities on the ground. Comparing, say, a Terry Jones in America to an Islamic televangelist in Pakistan is a false comparison. In the States, judicial recourse and a (largely) politically correct, pluralistic public ensures that bigots on TV don't enjoy an overwhelming audience, while in Pakistan the state institutionalizes discrimination against minorities (reference the Constitution) along with a frequently complicit public and media. After the high profile murders of 2 politicians over the issue of minority rights, it's remarkable how anyone can fail to appreciate the extent to which religious dogma and intolerance has become an explosive issue. Over the last 35 years we have become an increasingly conservative society, with a dwindling Hindu and Christian population, forced conversions/kidnappings of Hindu girls. With this social and political backdrop, it is unclear how anyone fails to see that televising the spectacle of a young, frazzled looking Hindu man converting to a cheering audience can stoke sectarian tensions.
The act itself is a vulgar spectacle, a cheap commercialization of religion. The audience bestows him with a new name decided through "consensus." Like they're gifting a banana to a circus monkey who jumped through all the right hoops. Good for Ms. Khan, she's giving the rabid Aamir Liaquat a run for his money.
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Originally Posted by mirage
Why should I not, now, CG?
And if you believe i am biased, trust me you sound just as much the same. Alright I am not at the receiving end of it but I have seen the people who are at the receiving end of the atrocities commited by the majority anyway. And this has taken place every where, and I never said Pakistan is any exception. Now if you stop playing all innocent and helpless, I would ask you what you would have done had you been living in a country where you were the majority? Its always the easiest to play the innocent and play innocent and blame others for your (self created) plight. If you find yourself threatened being a minority, you can anytime move to a country which is more sympathetic to you, as obviously there are tons out there, (precisely all the Islam haters, because they so see eye to eye with your lot) and if you think its not about you being safe only, since you already made your way out of our atrocious extremist country, please take your lot outta here too. This is the best service you can do towards your lot. Instead of bad mouthing our country always, and igniting this hatred, which isnt doing any good to anyone.
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Blaming persecuted minorities for their plight and telling your dissenting brethren to GTFO out of the Land of the Pure? Mashallah. I wonder how many brownie points you scored with Allah here.
I hope you deleted your post for the right reasons. i.e. because you realized you were being a bigot.
I see here is that you are lashing out muslims who follow and claim to be muslims (and not follow your religious leader Ghulam Ahmed).
You claim to follow the prophet Muhammad PBUH but call Maya a hpocrite who took part in bringing a hindu (Mushrik) person on her show to recite Kalmah.
You do not seem to be happy or satisfied with that.
What does that make you then?
Interestingly, you used the word muslims and bash them as in bold letter as if you somehow know you are NOT muslim.
Looks like you've lost it because everyone humors your persistent rape of logic. By all means pulverize us with your superior debating skills but learn to stop when you've crossed a line. You have no business casting aspersions on the faith or non-faith of other members. You are nobody to comment on who is a believer and who is not. Leave that to your Lord.
I am intrigued as to how a member like Psyah who takes great pride in being soft-spoken and starting every reply with "peace" liked this post.
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Would you rather see someone following hinduism, deny the prophet Muhammad PBUH or would you prefer someone following the prophet Muhammmad PBUH (rather than being a mushrik)?
Take a pick!
And there you have it folks, the bottom line. Out of 13 pages of 'debate,' this is ultimately what it boils down to.
How about we just rip the vertical white stripe off the Pakistani flag? Nobody knows what the hell it means anyway. Rip it off, or paint it green, so we can all live in one big happy Muslim Utopia without this pretense of pluralism.
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You are trying to beat the dead horse here. Read above posts and discussion and next time make some sense to have an answer. 
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Blaming persecuted minorities for their plight and telling your dissenting brethren to GTFO out of the Land of the Pure? Mashallah. I wonder how many brownie points you scored with Allah here.
I hope you deleted your post for the right reasons. i.e. because you realized you were being a bigot.
Looks like you've lost it because everyone humors your persistent rape of logic. By all means pulverize us with your superior debating skills but learn to stop when you've crossed a line. You have no business casting aspersions on the faith or non-faith of other members. You are nobody to comment on who is a believer and who is not. Leave that to your Lord.
I am intrigued as to how a member like Psyah who takes great pride in being soft-spoken and starting every reply with "peace" liked this post.
Beautifully put. Words worthy of a spiritual person who can put herself in anothers shoes.
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Sorry diwana. I think Chaibiskut is spot on here. Rather than beat your head, open your mind and let wisdom in. Good for you.
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^ Dude I never deleted any post. :D
Didn't need to and someone (mirage) deleted but is still being called a bigot. Not a nice gesture.
The content of chaibiskut post is simply hilarious. But who am I talking to? Sorry.
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I hope you deleted your post for the right reasons. i.e. because you realized you were being a bigot.
You're hoping for too much. The deleted post has been replaced with whatever as in 'I can't be bothered.' My guess is that the posts were deleted so as not to lose the brownie points earned by acting as a sane reasonable poster on this board.
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I am intrigued as to how a member like Psyah who takes great pride in being soft-spoken and starting every reply with "peace" liked this post.
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In my experience, any person who wears his religion on his sleeve and acts as the defender of the faith eventually shows his true colours.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Summary of this thread shows:
1- A hindu man comes on a TV show with free will and converted to Islam. He was asked the question and he admitted he was impressed by Islam and his act was after he gave some thoughts to it. No bashing of any religion could be found in the show. Not even a hint of the man being coerced is seen.
2- 'Champions of freedom of religion' did not like it and brought criticism under the auspice of 'minority been threatened' slogan.
3- Media was used to spread this hatred against the public conversion.
4- Employer with the history of helping foreign convicted spy and even financial relations with people outside the country ran amok and fired an his brother who happens to be present in the show.
5- Completely unrelated issues are mixed all throughout this criticism and brain washing of people as if the willful conversion with or without show somehow threatens minorities.
6- So far no information is brought that the conversion was forced or the man was threatened.
7- Raising issues under false pretext (crying wolf) attitude would not help minority cause.
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I just want to know, after all this commotion, if he decides to convert back, can he? Or will he be lynched instantly?
Faith is a matter of the heart, not an on off switch.
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^ well no. The free will argument is only valid to become a muslim. You can't exercise free will to leave islam.
I bet no one explained to him that it was a one way street he was entering.
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But all of this if he wants to converr/revert back or alleged scenario of him not being told prior to conversion do not relate to the criticism of the show on media outlet.
Right?
Here we have various arguments including he was allegedly coerced or forced. Then we have future prediction as the basis of criticism such as what IF he decides to convert/revert back?
Why criticize something based on something which has not even happened?
All arguments dancing around the facts shown on the TV show but not talking about the show itself.
Just made (completely original here) a joke on future alleged possibility. Enjoy!
A man goes to the nursing station after his wife gave birth to a boy and fills out the form to have the boy’s name registered as Khalid.
The nurse reads the form and tells the man,
“You should name the child as Khalida”.
The man says no. He is a boy and Khalid is a masculine name.
Nurse said.
"I am just concerned about the future possibility. That is why you should name the child as “Khalida”.
The man said but why do you worry?
She says:
“What if the boy decides in future… to change his sex?”
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^ very compelling argument. Why didn't the freedom of religion champions think of this. As stated earlier, this debate is even more one sided than the men's 400m final.
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Based on what is seen, there is no reason to think of forced conversion here. He himself said he came on his will.
Till you bring concrete evidence of alleged forced conversion of this man, you have no ground. Bring the evidence and we will talk. :)
You make the allegation, you have the burden of proof!
Based on what was seen, there is no reason to assume anything (although from the way it appears to me, he is being forced) but you have concluded that he was not forced. All I'm asking is where is your proof he wasn't forced? Why don't you give us evidence he wanst forced?
Why are you so sure he wasn't forced? There is a history of such bigotry in Pakistan. Prove to me he wasn't forced. Go ahead.
Your very good at dodging questions. Just admit you don't know,
And to answer your question, I personally would prefer Hindus follow their own faith. I don't care if they accept Islam or not. intact i prefer they do not, because minorities add flavor to our culture.
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And then there was this man who sees a bhoot in his room and asked another man to prove that there is no bhoot in the room when he refuted him.
Sorry to break it to you that the world does not revolve around your perception and preference my friend.
Just because it adds flavor minority should stay minority!
That’s a very strong argument!! Great! 
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Summary of this thread shows:
1- A hindu man comes on a TV show with free will and converted to Islam. He was asked the question and he admitted he was impressed by Islam and his act was after he gave some thoughts to it. No bashing of any religion could be found in the show. Not even a hint of the man being coerced is seen.
2- 'Champions of freedom of religion' did not like it and brought criticism under the auspice of 'minority been threatened' slogan.
3- Media was used to spread this hatred against the public conversion.
4- Employer with the history of helping foreign convicted spy and even financial relations with people outside the country ran amok and fired an his brother who happens to be present in the show.
5- Completely unrelated issues are mixed all throughout this criticism and brain washing of people as if the willful conversion with or without show somehow threatens minorities.
6- So far no information is brought that the conversion was forced or the man was threatened.
7- Raising issues under false pretext (crying wolf) attitude would not help minority cause.
Please. Here's the summary:
1) Diwana doesn't understand that celebrating religious conversions to comply with the majority, in a country with a history of persecuting religious minorities, sends the message that other members of said minorities should also "get with the program" and convert.