Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
I did not see anything inflammatory in the few posts ahead of your message. Healthy debate going on in those posts IMO. Posts were linked to the topic. Maybe I am missing something?
Sorry my friend, but you miss a lot of 'signals'.
Raise your antenna or at least attach daigchi pateelian on it. :D
JK
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Sorry my friend, but you miss a lot of 'signals'.
Raise your antenna or at least attach daigchi pateelian on it. :D
JK
Kya karoon - umar Jo badthi jas rahi hai!
Daigchi pateelian yaani! - aluminum foil?
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
1- Me going off tangent or actually your whole post here?
2- You say you would rather see people follow Islam. Good. But what is this got to do with the show or show host bringing a willing person changing his religion?
3- Are you not doing the same thing by asking (or judging her) to follow Islam as you understand, and becoming a certifying person yourself? I know you did not say she is not muslim but at least you judged her actions outside the scope of this show.
4- All you could have done is to appreciate her good gesture. Why bring her any other act?
5- Hypocrite anchor? Maybe, how does this make her unqualified to show conversion?
Minorities feeling threatened by hindu person conversion to Islam on TV.
This whole notion is false. I have no problem missing it since it is not even there. 
So now you say muslim certified by Govt.
6- Does this mean in earlier post you did agree with calling Govt. certified muslims simply as muslims? Or you do not think they are not muslims? (I know off topic but I had to ask since you wrote that)
The point I made earlier is that at least you should not have criticized the show on conversion that one person willingly decided to follow the same Prophet SAW which you also claim to follow.
Unless off course you have a different desire. 
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Nope.
People in the late 80s sometimes used to put steel utensils and metal pans on their antennas to increase the reception, which used to be quite low in some places. How much of an effect that had on the antenna on their roofs, only they know. But with the advent of cable and satellite television, plus better reception of over-the-air TV coverage, this practice died down quick in the 90s.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Thanks, Sup!
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
I never took DAWN as very respected newspaper. I have mentioned my criticism of reporting by DAWN before. Not all of sudden.
it caters few percentage of population of Pakistan, not only being an English language newspaper but also its articles periodically which do not conform to majority people of Pakistan. No time for that now, but if I find those, will definitely mention.
Two issues you discussed. I already talked about those earlier.
One is not feeling good and feeling remorseful of losing a person of one's religious community is different than saying that conversion on TV promotes threatening feelings among the minority.
All throughout this thread I had problem with the latter.
*There is no connection between showing conversion on TV, to intimidating the minorities. This is all made up. * The minoroty members/leaders, their supporters should come out and say the truth that they did not like conversion.
Now, on one hand it is said that it is a personal choice of a person to follow a religion and should be a personal choice of the person to leave a religion, then why so wavela/outcry if a hindu boy willingly comes out on TV and changes his religion.
Double standard? Right?
Regarding the mob, I never supported them, I proposed their punishment under the law.
I was merely against shooting with real bullets. I even asked everyone ANY example of that around any 'civilized' part of the world.
No one could come up with that example.
Uff.
Dude, your credibility is nearly zero at this point.
1. Dawn is considered one of the most respected papers in Pakistan, by people who have actual credibility. We should expect as much for a paper associated with the Quaid.
2. Once again, its YOUR opinion that this show will have no impact on minorities. But YOUR opinion is not what is relevant. Its the opinion of the minorities themselves that matters. And they have already said that this is something dangerous.
3. You are incapable of examining any issue beyond the bound of your limited scope. Your bias is obvious. On some level I actually respected your expression of humanity towards the mob in Bahawalpur, despite their horrendous crime, until I realized your humanity is only limited to Muslims and does not extend to anyone else... The Muslim mob might have been murderers but they are still humans, and MUSLIMS, just like you. But minorities, who cares about what they think or feel, they just exaggerate! Right!!
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^ whenever an individual reflexively sides with his own community 100% of the time - he truly has 0 credibility. He may have great debating skills and may offer up lots of logical sounding arguments.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Uff. Dude, your credibility is nearly zero at this point. 1. Dawn is considered one of the most respected papers in Pakistan, by people who have actual credibility. We should expect as much for a paper associated with the Quaid. 2. Once again, its YOUR opinion that this show will have no impact on minorities. But YOUR opinion is not what is relevant. Its the opinion of the minorities themselves that matters. And they have already said that this is something dangerous. 3. You are incapable of examining any issue beyond the bound of your limited scope. Your bias is obvious. On some level I actually respected your expression of humanity towards the mob in Bahawalpur, despite their horrendous crime, until I realized your humanity is only limited to Muslims and does not extend to anyone else... The Muslim mob might have been murderers but they are still humans, and MUSLIMS, just like you. But minorities, who cares about what they think or feel, they just exaggerate! Right!!
Where did I say humanity is only limited to muslims?
You may think so, but I don't even consider those mob members 'muslims'. Period.
Regarding, this event, you mentioned the opinion of minority matters how they feel.
Their feelings are exaggeration and simply their remorse on conversion of one person.
No where in the show it was said, those who do not convert deserve to die! etc. etc.
Let me again add something about DAWN here. It only caters to a few people. These people mostly live in their la la land
and have no connectivity with majority population of Pakistan and their feelings and desires.
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Where did I say humanity is only limited to muslims?
You may think so, but I don't even consider those mob members 'muslims'. Period.
Regarding, this event, you mentioned the opinion of minority matters how they feel.
Their feelings are exaggeration and simply their remorse on conversion of one person. No where in the show it was said, those who do not convert deserve to die! etc. etc.
Well what should one conclude when you show so much sensitivity towards the humanity of the mob but are unable to show even the slightest empathy for minorities?
Their feelings are an exaggeration to YOU! And its not your place to say or anyone else's to say that THEY are exaggerating. The question is not whether or not their hurt and their anxiety is real or warranted, but that it exists.
The fact that you ignore the sentiments of the hindus shows you do not have the capacity to see any issue outside of yourself. You are simply unable to understand the world from anyone else perspective other then your own. Until you can learn to do that, continuing to debate you is a waste of time.
Now I'm not particularly religious, but from what i UNDERSTAND, defending and protecting the rights of minorities is incumbent upon Muslims. Now if you can't treat them as your fellow Pakistanis, then treat them as your honored guests, and go out of your way to make them feel at home. And as you would not want to hurt the sentiments of your guest, so should you protect against offending the sensitivities of minorities in your country, regardless of whether you think those sensitivities are justified or not.
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My friend you keep coming back with same advice or emotional talk about minority feelings and the sensitivities when it is not even related to the show.
Have I not been clear in my position so far? I even posted the video.
What is so threatening there? 
Off course the protection of any peaceful minority is the teaching in Islam and even to animals and trees and so on…
But mixing the issues is what I don’t buy.
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Hai mera khuda.
I give up… 
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.....There is no connection between showing conversion on TV, to intimidating the minorities. .....
True for a civilized society which has respect for law.
For Pakistan, we need to be extra careful about what we show on TV.
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^ whenever an individual reflexively sides with his own community 100% of the time - he truly has 0 credibility. He may have great debating skills and may offer up lots of logical sounding arguments.
I agree. Its easy to simply side with ones own.
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When did this turn into a hindus vs muslims and lets-see-whose-side-you're-on thread?
I thought it was about a stupid tv show, the hungama over which some people understood and some think the whole thing has been exaggerated, that's their opinion. Why the need to be so emotional and play the side card just because there's a difference in opinion?
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I agree. Its easy to simply side with ones own.
Its not difficult to refute the wrong.
But one has to be clear on what is right and what is wrong.
True for a civilized society which has respect for law.
For Pakistan, we need to be extra careful about what we show on TV.
And you think because of these shows, people will come out and start killing minorities?
It could even bring more tolerance as I mentioned earlier.
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I simply do not understand why people still entertain diwana.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
I simply do not understand why people still entertain diwana.
He has a romantic name?
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
I simply do not understand why people still entertain diwana.
It is very obvious, you decided not to answer my post from very beginning, not because you thought you would somehow entertain me. ;)
Me hardly 'entertained' by people. :(
No intention/desire to get 'entertained' either.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
When did this turn into a hindus vs muslims and lets-see-whose-side-you're-on thread?
I thought it was about a stupid tv show, the hungama over which some people understood and some think the whole thing has been exaggerated, that's their opinion. Why the need to be so emotional and play the side card just because there's a difference in opinion?
If onlyvthings were so black and white. The thread is not a Hindu vs. Muslim debate. There are folks with 2 views
1) the naive view that it is just a stupid TV show
2) the nuanced view that such shows may increase insecurities of minorities ( not just Hindus but christiansxahmadiyas ). Some in this side also correctly state the reverse - showing conversion of a Muslim to another religion such as Hinduism - will probably be met with outcries and possibly even bloodshed.
I hope things are clearer now.
Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan
Already understood the two sides of the argument, thanks. But I'm asking how does that mean that the naive lot are "siding with their own" when you agree that this was never about one community vs another?