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it should also be noted that the daughter of Abu Sufyan RA was umm ul momineen Habiba RA
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Thank you guys, that is exactly the kind of info about Hinda that I was looking for. So she did convert, Prophet saw did pardon her, she then participated in battles for muslims, divorced Abu Sufyan later on in life and was an independent, merchant woman. That's about all that I care to know about her.
As for other sensitive sunni/shia issues - just no! There will be no phaddas here. I asked a genuine question, got the answers and references.
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Here we go again!
Not to worry, I'm not interested in discussing useless topics, where everyone has different point of views based on their different authentic sources. I'm here to add some information on the actual topic of the thread.
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The Prophet SAW did not accept Abu Sufyan RA till he was seen fighting for the muslims, defending the Messenger of Allah SWT, in the battle of hunain. The Prophet SAW's uncle Abbass RA asked RasoolAllah SAW to forgive him, as Abbass RA was in a similar position once upon a time (was taken hostage by the muslims during battle of Badr)
He was forgiven the day he accepted Islam. The Prophet (peace upon him) then told Abu Sufyan to return to Makkah and inform the Quraysh that the Muslims would enter the city the following morning. Before his departure, al-‘Abbas made a request to the Prophet (peace upon him) that as Abu Sufyan was a proud man, it would be good to give him an honourable position. The Prophet took his uncle’s advice and said to Abu Sufyan, “Tell your people that he who enters the house of Abu Sufyan is safe, he who enters his own house is safe and he who enters the area of the Ka’bah is safe.”
Such was the merciful nature of the Prophet (peace upon him) that he bore no grudges against the idolaters of Makkah and was willing not only to forgive, but also to honour his former enemies.
Source: Al-Banna, S.M. Hasan, The Sirah of the Final Prophet, Awakening Publications, Swansea, UK, 2002. p.152-153.
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**I’d go as far as saying, Abu Talib was a better human than what most muslims are today.
**and you are thinking that over rating Hazrat Abu Talib a.s here. Comparing him to todays muslim is his insult.
This is one topic where i dont feel like discussing anything… Lakum denokum wali yadeen.
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Peace shardmanny
You have confused two different Abu Sufyans … Abu Sufyan ibn Al-Harith was a Hashimite and Abu Sufyan ibn Harb was an Ummayad … the second one was the husband of Hind and leader of Makkah before the conquest.
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I should start posting in R&S more often, you guys’s sarcasm is going over my head. 
Aqeel, why in the world would I want to insult any historic figure in Islam? I didn’t have a clue that this topic would somehow upset the shia brethren until they came along and posted in a defensive manner and then the sunnis joined in. Exactly why I said I’m glad I’m naive when it comes to all of this nonsense between muslim brothers themselves.
Itna ghussa kyun aya hua hai aap logon ko? Reply nahin karna to mat karein na, maine aapko force kia hai post karne k lie? Calm down and correct people, teach people, share your wisdom, your views or else please don’t ruin the atmosphere of the religion forum 
Anyway, as I said, got the answers that I was looking for, please carry on with your debate.
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Come on sister, mujhey app per ghussa kion aaey ga ? haan mayoosi hoti hai.... The guy who did so much for islam isnt considered muslim and the ppl who fought Rasool ALLAH s.a.w, Mola Ali a.s and Imam Hussain a.s are considered muslims.
Hazrat Abu Talib read nikkah of Rasool s.a.w, would u say Rasool s.a.w wasnt muslim when he was married to hazrat Khadija ?
And wud Rasool s.a.w let a non muslim read his nikkah ?
We cant compare a sahabi who ran away from ohad with todays muslim, so we shldnt be comparing Great Abu talib a.s with anyone who is much lower than him.
I know more question will be asked but its very very disappointing to discuss whether Abu Talib a.s was muslim or not just like whether Yazeed was rite or wrong.
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You yourself just made a comparison by calling others "lower than him". The word "than" is used when making comparisons. That's all that I was saying too. So we're on the same page and I understand what you're saying. The main thing is to learn about and from the history of Islam, not to dwell on the lives of the people who are long gone.
Also, Prophet saw married Hazrat Khadeeja long *before *Islam so there's no point in discussing the authenticity of the marriage from an Islamic point of view.
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I was just going to say that. He is correct =)
BBQ - u should read the bio of Prophet Muhammad SAW by Martin Lings. It is so fascinating.
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This one? Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings - Google Books :hmmm:
InshaAllah, I will :k: If there’s any other good books you’ve read, please do tell. Gracías, Afshi!
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yep, thats the one.
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**I'd go as far as saying, Abu Talib was a better human than what most muslims are today.
**and you are thinking that over rating Hazrat Abu Talib a.s here. Comparing him to todays muslim is his insult.
with all due respect, you keep calling him a.s. As far as I know, A.S is reserved for anbiyaa only. Are you implying that he is a nabi. i think that over rating Hazrat Abu Talib and comparing him with Prophets is an insult to prophets.
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with all due respect, you keep calling him a.s. As far as I know, A.S is reserved for anbiyaa only. Are you implying that he is a nabi. i think that over rating Hazrat Abu Talib and comparing him with Prophets is an insult to prophets.
I gave up on this thread, but since we rnt comparing Abu talib a.s with Abu Sufyaan but Prophets a.s i will take part in it.
Now how did u come up with the rule "A.S is reserved for anbiyaa only" ?
I havnt compared him with Prophets a.s
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with all due respect, you keep calling him a.s. As far as I know, A.S is reserved for anbiyaa only. Are you implying that he is a nabi. i think that over rating Hazrat Abu Talib and comparing him with Prophets is an insult to prophets.
I have seen shias using A.S after Hazrat Hussain and Hasan (ra) and also after Hazrat Fatima and Ali(ra)'s name but never seen someone using it for Abu Talib or Abdul Mutalib.
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what I know is
A.S > Anbiya
R.A > Sahabi
Rehmatullah Alaih > for rest of the pious wali and buzurg ..
Yes there is logically no rule against putting 
after any buzurg. Lets do it then .. (sorry for being sarcastic here but there is no rule against calling your neighbor Abbu. we should do it also)
Yes this thread is over from my side too cause when we take respect and disrespect to extremes, in my opinion, that weakens the strength of our eeman in similar way.
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BBQ, I suggest if you got the answer of your question then the thread should be closed instead of indulging into useless discussions. If anyone is interested in those issues, he/she should open a new thread.
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^i agree with above...........
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As long as people aren't eating each other alive, no harm in discussing other bits and pieces. Jo batein is thread mein ho rahi hain wohi batein ek dusre thread mein hon gi, what difference does it make.