Did Allah command Hijaab (here, I mean those big tents with the eye screens)...or did He command that women dress modestly?
“And say to the believing women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty (zeenah) except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you believers, in order that you are successful.” (Surat-un-Nur: 31).
See...thats the thing here. Sometimes, these full burka things call much more attention to the wearer than would a headscarf and loosely fitting, completely covering modest clothing. So this is an example of wearing one to make a political or religious statement rather than wearing it for its intended purpose which is supposed to be modesty.
^ That's called modifying religion for your own ease. I don't understand why we have to judge these women on their intentions. What do we know about their intentions, it's not like we can look into their minds. Like I said in the other thread, they'll have to be answerable for their deeds to Allah, not to us. Likewise we are answerable for our deeds, and not anyone else.
well covering ur face like ninjah style as u say is no harm even if people see her its there problem not her and there is no where written that u should stay ur self at home ...if u want to go out u can go out with covering ur self mind it she will have a better position then us when we die.
one has to cover her self as its a order by Allah if i tell u that how much ......sin is there if u show a single hair to non mehram u cant imagine ......!so if one is doing it let them to be....:)
so, what happens if someone sees one or more hair of a woman? does the man self-combust? or does God himself come down to smite the badtameez, behayaa hair?
if the concept is modesty, then that makes sense. but you can be modest wearing decent, business clothes. what additional modesty does the headscarf provide? if the intention is to not draw attention to yourself, then hijabs and shuttlecock burqas are probably not the way to go. wear simple, decent clothes... that's all.
so, what happens if someone sees one or more hair of a woman? does the man self-combust? or does God himself come down to smite the badtameez, behayaa hair?
if the concept is modesty, then that makes sense. but you can be modest wearing decent, business clothes. what additional modesty does the headscarf provide? if the intention is to not draw attention to yourself, then hijabs and shuttlecock burqas are probably not the way to go. wear simple, decent clothes... that's all.
Covering head is part of the modest clothing in Abrahamic Religion.
so, what happens if someone sees one or more hair of a woman? does the man self-combust? or does God himself come down to smite the badtameez, behayaa hair?
if the concept is modesty, then that makes sense. but you can be modest wearing decent, business clothes. what additional modesty does the headscarf provide? if the intention is to not draw attention to yourself, then hijabs and shuttlecock burqas are probably not the way to go. wear simple, decent clothes... that's all.
I still don't get what your problem is. What harm is it doing YOU?
no personal attacks - please see edit comment below
Samb, I can only explain in a humble way... A woman's beauty is her treasure. She wants to hide it , or , sometimes her elders encourage her to hide it , as part of our faith , doesnt mean she is being nonsense.
Its quite similar to : Why do you wear clothes, why not just walk around nude? Why does the law not tolerate nude people? the nudists do say that we who wear clothes are being oppressed into wearing them !!!
you decide whether we wear clothes to protect ourselves and our self respect or purely because we are oppressed?
CB, are only women beautiful? there are good looking men as well (no I'm NOT gay)... shouldn't these men cover themselves up too then? but to continue with your logic, then should the Imran Khan/Junaid Jamshed types when they were young should also have been wearing hijab? Imran Khan walking around wearing a headscarf... would serve him right for his retarded pro-taliban views...
secondly, not ALL women are beautiful. so, doesn't that mean that only the pretty ones should do hijab? the ugly ones shouldn't have to wear hijab.... agreed?
look, I don't mean to be an ass. you sound like a very reasonable person. and in general, I agree with the idea of modesty, decency, etc. what I don't understand is how does wearing a headscarf help? if someone is wearing a headscarf and skintight jeans underneath, then what's the point of hijab? and if someone is wearing decent clothing overall and not drawing attention to oneself, what is the need for hijab?
and if someone feels the need to wear a black tent to get around, then honestly that woman should just stay at home. if she feels her stunning beauty will make guys start spilling coffee on themselves, then do us horny dogs a favor and just stay at home and guard your beauty on a full-time basis.
Covering head is part of the modest clothing in Abrahamic Religion.
husbands beating their wives... but only lightly.. and definitely not on the face... because you don't want to damage your property... is also part of religion...
inhumane practices like chopping off limbs and heads are also part of religion...
ChillyMilly, everyone needs to have an opinion because most every religion and culture is wide open to interpretation. That doesnt mean a Hijaabi is judged by those who do not wear hijaab or that non-hijaabis have an attitude.
Many of our own people are ignorant to the fact that hijab is wajib.. I hate it when people deny what is the truth... Im not miss perfect myself but at the end of the day I know what ever I do is wrong and pray to Allah to correct me, to make me stronger. Doesn't mean I have the right to trash what is written in the quran and hadith and dismiss it as ludicrous and oppression.
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I full heartedly agree with this.
As Rule of thumb, I would avoid disrespecting any muslim brother or sister- who knows maybe he/she does something way more precious to Allah then you do in your free time, and Allah loves him/her more then you. And Allah dislikes those who disrespects those precious to Him.
So seriously, before going down and bashing fellow niqabis, burqites, hijabis, and non-hijabis, especially when they've done NOTHING to you, make sure you ask yourself : Are you totally sure that you are more precious to Allah then the person you are making fun of? Do you really want to incur the wrath of Allah upon yourself by disrespectint someone that maybe more better then you in the eyes of Allah?
the only thing I don't understand about hijab/burqa etc, is that if the woman is so intent on covering herself up because she's such a super hottie that men would lose their composure just by looking at her, then why doesn't she stay at home? why even go outside? stay at home... if the idea is to not expose yourself to the gaze of others, surely the safest place is to stay in your room.
and wearing them ninja burqas is a surefire way of attracting attention to yourself. there was a lady who used to get on the subway wearing a ninja burqa. ppl would ignore the ladies dressed normally but she would get noticed for sure 'cause God knows what kind of devastating beauty was hiding in that black tent. so, what was the point of the burqa again?
a lot of women cover their faces simply because Muhammad (s) wives did. That is their rationale. They do it simply to please Allah, not necessarly to hide their beauty.
The purpose of life in Islam is to please to ALLah, pray to Allah, and serve Allah. Muhammad(s), his wives, the sahabi, showed us the best way to do so. And so we imitate. Maryam (as) covered herself, so millions of woman in Islam cover ourself, because we want to be liker her. Aisha (r) covered her face. So my aunts in pakistan cover they're faces, because they want to be like her: dear to Allah as Aisha (R) was to ALlah.
Why was Ibrahim (as) ready to sacrifise his own son? because Allah commanded him to do so. And that was the moral of the story, Allah commanded, Ibrahim (as) followed- he didn't ask why.
husbands beating their wives... but only lightly.. and definitely not on the face... because you don't want to damage your property... is also part of religion...
inhumane practices like chopping off limbs and heads are also part of religion...
so, what was your argument again?
Husbands can only beat lightly(and that's only when she sleeps with some other dude) but there are no limits or conditions if a woman wants to beat her husband.
Chopping off hands of a thief and head of a murderer is not inhumane.
These are laws of God called Sharia given to us for our betterment. Also, each case is different and hence not every thief will have to go through this punishment. Shariah is not as simple as some people try to make it.
Husbands can only beat lightly(and that's only when she sleeps with some other dude) but there are no limits or conditions if a woman wants to beat her husband.
Chopping off hands of a thief and head of a murderer is not inhumane.
These are laws of God given to us for our betterment.
dont even try, it is what it is.
Ppl who have issue with islam are more then welcome to become non-muslims.
Who is stopping them??
And other ppl, have some shame. You have become what we call social muslims.
You are muslims for same reasons hindus are hindu and Essayees are Essayees.
a lot of women cover their faces simply because Muhammad (s) wives did. That is their rationale. They do it simply to please Allah, not necessarly to hide their beauty.
The purpose of life in Islam is to please to ALLah, pray to Allah, and serve Allah. Muhammad(s), his wives, the sahabi, showed us the best way to do so. And so we imitate. Maryam (as) covered herself, so millions of woman in Islam cover ourself, because we want to be liker her. Aisha (r) covered her face. So my aunts in pakistan cover they're faces, because they want to be like her: dear to Allah as Aisha (R) was to ALlah.
Why was Ibrahim (as) ready to sacrifise his own son? because Allah commanded him to do so. And that was the moral of the story, Allah commanded, Ibrahim (as) followed- he didn't ask why.
Husbands can only beat lightly(and that's only when she sleeps with some other dude) but there are no limits or conditions if a woman wants to beat her husband.
so, basically marriage should be an all-out dangal, a wrestling match... just phaintee full-time from both directions. the wife beating the husband because he left the toilet seat up... but the husband can only beat her if she cheats on him... waah waah...
you lot are right. Islam does indeed give women more rights than men.
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Chopping off hands of a thief and head of a murderer is not inhumane.
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yeah, it is most certainly inhumane, barbaric and cruelty of the worst kind.