Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
@Southie- No, I don’t believe in pedicures. Now if you had any doubts about me being a feminist. This statement must prove to you that I am. Right? Right.
What is a feminist again? They keep telling me I am when the thought never even crosses my mind. I just thought I was a human capable of making my own decisions. Apparently, that is rare for women in our society.
I should probably stay away from this thread. So many disappointments! sigh
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
No pedicures. Ergo feminist. QED.
Seriously though, Theory, we had this discussion before. There is no need to run away from terms such as feminist, liberal etc. The right wing thugs have made these dirty words. Liberals need to be true to their principles.
What is a feminist? Forget wikipedia, encycleaipidia or enbikaipidiya definitions.
You are a feminist if
You believe in equal pay for equal work (regardless of gender)
You are against discrimination
You are against sexual harassment
You want sexual predators to be held accountable
You are for freedom of choice - pro choice.
The right wing thugs have used bra burning to describe feminists. And tried to paint them as sexually promiscuous. The irony is the most anti feminists - such as Limbaugh and Gingrich - are morally repugnant
So don’t run away from the label. Embrace it.
And get a pedicure, for crying out aloud. Your label will be safe.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
^I am not running away from labels. I just don’t get why we need to label people. I don’t care for labels. Why must what we say be categorized for others to either embrace it or condemn it? Why can’t I say something because it makes sense to me?!
When I talk of human rights and it just happens to be about women, I never once think about feminism. I just say it because it seems like the right thing to say! It can’t be that hard,really. Is it?
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
right.
That is exactly why nature made her picky. She want to get it right then and later in the life, she is stuck with it.
Then we dude complain, when women go after such man who, she thinks she can have it right with.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
Yes. I agree that saying the right thing should not be hard. But one ignores at ones peril the attempt by the Koch brothers, the Limbaughs the Drudges the Hannitys and “the Moderates” to move the county to the right.
To say labels don’t matter is to ignore the harm brought to society by the right wing. Wars, guns, discrimination, poking into people’s private lives.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
When I kid, I try to put a smiley as much as possible.
I was prepared for the response of nine months.
In fact, a woman is not really locked in for 9 months.
It can be less if abortion unfortunately occurs or for as long as two years if she is really breastfeeding and her womb is not ready.
But, the time period while she is not able to get impregnated,… is still the time when a man can get other woman impregnated. A scientific fact.
And there goes your argument about false equivalency between a man and woman.
As much as you want to show your false feminist ideas and deny, your posts still show you say things out of no basic just to make a point.
Why?
Let’s just assume your absurd point of women are programmed to “find” a man to impregnate by as many men as she likes, is accepted for a second.
How on earth she will know after having having been with a male she is actually got impregnated and there is no need to go on further? Shouldn’t she wait for a variable time period before she is really sure she does not need to go on further and “find” another man to impregnate her** if that is all her goal**?
A man does not need to know that. Regardless of how many he goes with, he knows if the woman he was with is impregnated, it’s by by him (Assuming she is not going around “finding” other men to get impregnated). No worries for both man and woman there.
RE: your point 3:
It is not about the number of men and women in the world as commonly used as an argument.
It is about if women are willing to have their husbands marry other women for one or other reasons.
Why do people need to poke their noses in to other’s business and criticize them if no harm is done in this world by a man marrying more than one woman? Remind you, opposite will not hold true.
Isn’t live and let live the best role model for people at large?
P.S. I deliberately did not respond to you other few points.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
What does this fatwa/religious decree really mean? Is that the law of the land, now? What should be the law of the land? In US for example, the law of the land prohibits marriage to two females at the same time. Mormons in UTAH practice polygamy but its not legally sanctioned. It will be really unfortunate if we let knuckle heads with turbans cite examples from 1400 years ago to craft laws of modern society as ISIS is doing in one part of the world.
…
"Yes, really. While the Supreme Court and the rest of us are all focused on the human right of marriage equality, let’s not forget that the fight doesn’t end with same-sex marriage. We need to legalize polygamy, too. Legalized polygamy in the United States is the constitutional, feminist, and sex-positive choice. More importantly, it would actually help protect, empower, and strengthen women, children, and families.
…
Finally, prohibiting polygamy on “feminist” grounds—that these marriages are inherently degrading to the women involved—is misguided. The case for polygamy is, in fact, a feminist one and shows women the respect we deserve. Here’s the thing: As women, we really can make our own choices. We just might choose things people don’t like. If a woman wants to marry a man, that’s great. If she wants to marry another woman, that’s great too. If she wants to marry a hipster, well—I suppose that’s the price of freedom."
**And if she wants to marry a man with three other wives, that’s *her damn choice.***
No idea why people bring examples of terrorists or criminals like ISIS or Talibans…to make a point as if that would work in their support.
It only shows they love and worship these terrorists.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
Ughhh
to the uh ignorant people who are stupid enough to think that feminism is a load of crap please go to the rock you came under and never come back. You’ll never understand what it is to be a woman. To have to wear “religious” (lol yeah, sure) clothing just because the men in your country won’t stop staring. You get told that you have to get used it.
You get called names like “doll”, “sugar”, “honey” forever treated like a second-class citizen, but hey it’s a COMPLIMENT. You don’t want to conform to “labelling”? Fine, w/e. But educate yourself before you say I don’t like labels.
Because there’s nothing more revolting than being fully clothed and having a guy look you up and down as if you were naked. And to always have our gender entered into discussion.
Also, Diwana, is it the women who are out seeking wives or men? because uh sorry to break it to you, but it’s not female empowerment or anything if a man just ups and gets married
Yeah, people do it. A lot of people did it centuries ago all over the world… I wonder why it’s predominantly common in rural or uneducated areas… How many younger generation kids will have multiple wives? It’s an old tradition that will die out. Please stop talking as if this will go on forever.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
You have no idea what you are talking about.
I take it you never heard those terms used , and women being checked out despite being fully clothed, by men all over the world. If that is your argument then all over the world women are treated as second class citizens.
Sorry, if that is what feminism is all about , then one has all the right of laughing at it.
If a man just goes out and spends nights with multiple women without marrying them or telling them, that’s female empowerment?
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
If the woman chose to do that then yes. If she wants to go sleep around or have multiple relationships and it’s SOLELY **HER **choice then yes, it’s female empowerment.
You can laugh at feminism all you want. It’s not about you.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
OK..this sentence in the article has taken my attention and appreciate female posters respond to it:
And if she wants to marry a man with three other wives, that’s her damn choice.
Now i understand that in most of the societies where multiple marriages are allowed, men misuse it and use it for sexual pleasure plus most of these societies are male dominated societies where elder males (fathers, chachas, mamoons) will forcefully marry their daughters against their will to someone who already has a wife or wives for petty benefits … i would say majority of the cases belong to this category
but the tricky question remains: what if a woman is just fine marrying someone who is already married?..by refusing her not to do it and that too constitutionally/legally, aren’t we stopping her from enjoying her basic human right to marry anyone that she wants to…if we can allow her to marry another woman, why cant she marry a man with multiple wives?
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
ISIS is the extreme end state of a society that fails to think rationally and logically. They use similar perverted logic to justify evil as this knuckle head who is justifying polygamy in todays age.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
Even though what you said and what this means light year apart, I am glad you said this.
You should not have problem with this if going by your own logic.
"And if she wants to marry a man with three other wives, that’s her damn choice."
I see no comment on men calling women all over the world doll, sugar, honey being same as treating them as second class citizens.
Does this mean you agree with what I said all over women are being treated as second class citizens based on your assertion or you take back what you said?
You are the one who is living under a rock my friend.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
Glad you finally came back instead of resorting to liking the posts of your choice.
First: You still have to explain what you said and answer what was asked. Read earlier posts for your memory refreshment. Don’t run away again and again and come back when you find it feasible.
You are making a lot of assumptions and making it up to support your wrongful ideas.
Adult women with their own choice are marrying with men who are already married and they are happy with it.
Do you or would you support that?
Can you preach what ISIS, your gurus say and how they say, where it belongs?
You already lost the argument when mentioned ISIS.
Who cares what they say besides people like YOU.
You could not even answer what I asked you. Really pathetic.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
i dont need to respond to you … so stop acting as if this whole universe revolves around you. and i am not running anywhere. I am here and the moment i thought i need to reflect on something i did reflect.
I have been active on this forum for over 11 years and posters know i never run away from debate but the reason I dont want to indulge in any communication with you is because you simply don’t know how to debate in a civilized manner. You get personal and on top of that you refuse to acknowledge it. And it is not only me, some other posters have said the same thing about you in this thread that they will not respond to you anymore. There were so many posters in this thread sharing their diametrically opposite viewpoint but no one had any issue until you showed up.
Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls
Islam is in a real sad state of affairs because we rely on knuckle heads with turbans to explain quran and hadeeth rather than making an effort to read and understand it on our own. And even worst when these clowns are empowered to make laws of the land today. Can we atleast agree that laws of land should have no input from any religion? If so, please explain which one sect of islam should Pakistan follow and why? What should we do with 900 other sects and their clowns with different interpretation of same quran/hadees?
It’s an old tradition that will die out. Please stop talking as if this will go on forever.
