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the whole eggs in a basket thing? i understand the statement, but the thing is, thats not how relationships work. if you like someone enough to propose to them, that comes with certain expectations and understandings, i.e. that you two are willing to give this a shot, and you're on the same page mentally and you're going to make this work. that you've stopped keeping your options open because you're committed to each other. you can't just be floating around in a sea of prospective husbands, afraid to commit to someone, and men can't do that either with prospective wives. at some point, you HAVE to say, ok, this is right for us, lets do it. and you can't say that thinking oh when someone better comes along, its bye-bye to this one, and hello to the other one either. thats not right.

in this case, they've been dating for years... not months, but years. so even though theres been no proposal, there should be an understanding of permanence here. for him to back out now is pretty harsh and not so pleasant, so i'm not surprised by her reaction, but as i said, this stuff should have been cleared up years ago. these things are talked about consistently, not just touched upon once, and then forgotten. you have to keep touching base and making sure your partner is happy and your goals are still the same-- and this applies even after you're married.

and yes, i can tell you, your comments about women being products that need to be shifted are untrue. what do you mean? women are people. and life will go on if one is still unmarried. and maybe those women can find their men on their own without waiting for mr. right to stroll along and propose.

oh yeah, and i'm already happily married, thanks :)

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you cannot be serious! What is so perfect about all that you stated in your initial post? Clearly you two are on very different levels with all the urgency, desire and compromise being one-sided. He said you will have to wait till his family agrees to this marriage, what is he even doing to make his family agree? From what I gather he isn't doing much at all. You are completely at his mercy in this relationship and that is no way to be. Just reading your post above speaks volumes of your place in this relationship. You guys are fighting daily, you are the one who always makes attempts of reconciliation, you are the one going through mental and physical torture, you are the one losing time, and most importantly you are the one who gets no or little respect. What kind of incentive could you have to spend all your life with someone who has reduced you to nothing?
Do not feel committed to him. It may be a further blow to your self-esteem to think about marrying another man, in your own eyes it seems you may consider yourself frail for marrying another man while having dedicated yourself to ur bf for several years but please do not impose any such sense of duty and commitment upon yourself. Respect, love and a sense of belonging needs to be mutual in a relationship. If you are the only one giving you are pretty much the doormat in the relation. Give yourself a fair chance. Ask yourself how long it is that you are willing to invest in this guy? How long can you afford to wait and if after that there is still no progress is that something you can handle and afford? Are you willing to spend the rest of your life in self-pity, condemning yourself for a bad choice that you made? and if it does work out do you see yourself putting up with a person who apparently doesn't give a damn one way or the other since he knows you will always be around? Why do you think he can easily tell you to leave if you wish?

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i dont mind waiting but the fact is that a relationship between a man and a woman that is not marriage but just dating is not sustainable and BOUND to fizzle out or have issues...which is what we have...we fight effing daily
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Love is not dependant upon written contracts and commitments. Do you honestly think that marriage is the solution to his indifference and lack of emotions? Both of you will be the same people after marriage too, he will continue to think that u blow things out of proportion and you will continue to try to make him feel and see things your way. You should get on with your life and give yourself a fairshot. If he really really wants you the possibility of losing you will get him moving, he will show at least some level of interest and do soemthing about trying to keep you, if he doesn't then you have your answer and hopefully a better life ahead of you.

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hahaha..what a ridiculous point....its astonishing that people** "seems"** to be very smart..actually...give such comments !!!!!!! LOL

its all seem that by this girl post that..everything is developed before marriage..understanding..and mutual co existence etc...and after marriage ..its nothing.....

i think...i should...leave this thread where such "wonderful" ideas are coming...bye...:)

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Sooooo you think she should marry the guy even if they're both fighting and he doesn't treat her w/ respect or "love"? b/c after marriage they'll change for the better? i feel sorry for ur kids :)

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^^ its neitherv ever mean that before marriage..until and unless ...100% is not perfect..then you should not marry....in older ages...almost all marriages weer arrnged...without any "dating" like cheap things...still thier success rates were far better than the "modern " girls ...marrying now a days.... !!!!!!

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Alas!

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It seems only one person in this 'relationship' wants it to work out.

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^^^ EXACTLY!!!!!

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Sara,
Evaluate yourself , this will help you , you have been going out for years , and you are in your late twenties , which means , there should be some output :)

ofcourse , we all don't want you to break , but then without making any move , your life will become stagnant , and who knows if you don't make a move at this stage he may not even think about it in another 5 years ,
what are you afraid of , that you may end up with this guy , so what , even marriages break , but this does not mean the end of the world , when you let go 1 , you may find a better one ,

you have to make a move ,
everything happens in this world , it's hard to judge people yourself when in you are in love with them ,

don't get take it on your nerves , like you have already taken it , but the best is to make a move , and say bye .

wishing you luck for the future :)

I feel the same , but hopefully she will understand.

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but i am destroying myself
what am i doing wrong?
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I have only one thing to say, YES you are.

it's all about giving and taking, so far in THIS relationship he is on recieving end and not WILLING to deliever, hence it's an utterly imbalanced relationship. you must LEARN to speak up if you want to make this relationship work.

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^ true one-sided relationships do not work out :)

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:salam: Sara.

I dont know if someone has already mentioned this or not so apologise if I am repeating others.

I know exactly what your’e going through bcoz a close friend of mine went through this… in the end the guy married someone else bcoz her parents could never accept him. However, she wasn’t Muslim… and now she has another two guys lined up begging to marry her and she cant choose.

As a Muslim, you have two options really

  1. Marry him and live a life with your partner based on a relationship that is free from sin. I understand what you mean by limitations, but you should realise that even holding hands/ being alone with a non-mahram is haram

OR

  1. Leave him and live a life in which you have ridden yourself of this sin, and pray that Allah SWT blesses you with a partner that is more dedicated in nature.

look at what he’s doing to your physical and mental health! you deserve better girl!

I pray that whatever happens for you, happens for the best, Amin.

Wassalam

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depends how u define success rates, using divorce rates as a guide or defining success as where the 2 people both lived fulfilling lives where niether one had to give up who they were or what they wanted out of live to keep the legal contract and relationship going. Or where they would live unhappy lives, constantly fighting, preferring to live apart, badmouthign each other in front of relatives and friends.

I know of an older couple, they fought all the time, he moved to middle east to work, and even though he could have had his family come over he never did, he had his wife come over for a few months here and there but never wanted her to come over and live together. eventually he went bac, they fought, he would throw food on the floor saying it tastes horrible, she would badmouth him. He passed away a few years ago and she passed away a couple of years after he passed away. They were miserable together, so much so that their kids did nto want to be with them saying that the atmosphere at home was too nasty. But hey man, they were married for 50 yrs or

so, successul marriage eh?

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I agree, my parents r similar to this, hardly c dad hes always at work stay thr 4 as long as possible cos whn they r bot at home they r fighting like cats and dogs, its such a nytmare, especially cos i have younger bros and sis. Why stay married if its gona continue ike this. SUmtimes its better to knw each other b4 u get married

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umm guys, i think she's in Europe right now...(hopefully, forgetting abt someone who CLEARLY doesn't care)....

Subhan'Allah, it's so obvious that this person is like so not into her like she is into him, and we ALL seem to realize it except her...

if he loved her, he would:
-see her condition and get scared for her health like crazy
-then, talk to his parents (i still don't see why he hasn't to be honest with u)
-be willing to FIGHT for her
-either he's not a man cuz he's not willing to fight for her, or he just doesn't love her period. (i think its the latter).....(and actually i think he's not a man either for leading someone on like that)
-she's obsessed with this ATTACHMENT (which is only one sided)

this aint love..and it's soooooooooo friggin obvious.

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I’m sorry to hear that. That must be very difficult. :hugz:

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the day i was leaving, i told him i’d joined a Chat forum to discuss with people coz i was going nuts …i am too private of a person in real life to talk to friends about my personal matters

he said why’ve u done that when im here. i said you’re not there for me when i need you. you dont have enough time for me. he’s like okay i’m coming online to talk to you.

when he did come online, we started fighting again. coz i was like if his dad and my dad decide we should get married soon we should get married in like 2-3 months and he’s like well that’s too short notice it should be 5-6 months. that made me upset and offended so i signed off

after that i just got so upset that i told my dad (im very close to my dad and he’s like a very good and understanding friend) that once i come back from my trip i want to meet the other rishta… dad was like ok.

i called him up and told him that i’d told my dad that. he went nuts. hung up on the phone on me and put it off. and gave me like 1 million tanay

i told him look i CANNOT wait for u forever why dont u get over with this soon so i can lead a freakin NORMAL life

he said what IS your problem. my dad will talk to your dad. your dad can say that you guys want the marriage soon. if my dad agrees thats cool and if not then we’ll see but just RELAX

i was like what do you mean by “we’ll see” … ???

i was like i Cannot Relax…i just cannot Relax about this anymore… CAN NOT

he’s like fine then go find someone else b/c i cant do anything else so either do what i want or go away

and he shut his phone off saying Don’t call me

and then…as usual…i went insane when he wasn’t picking up his phone… :confused: i told my dad to not do anything yet about the other rishta and just talk to his dad

i texted him and said if he wants to see me off for my trip (which earlier he said he wants to), i’ll meet him at so and so location and he can take me to the airport. he said ok i’ll be there. so he was there. he was sweet to me on the way to the airport except i asked him to stop at the bank which he did not and then he apologised later. i was mad at him for that and was almost going to leave without saying bye, but just when i was about to hand my ticket to the security guard i turned back and talked to him normally

he was sweet to me at that time. and he said he’s gonna miss me a lot. he ran to the shops to get something i needed as well

i dunno…i know he loves me. its just, he wants things to be his way and he wants me to just be patient and deal with it and wait till he needs me to wait and take his own sweet time :bummer:

he thinks i should just deal with the wait :confused:

which is like getting too difficult for me :confused:

ive realised ive got no choice coz i just cannot handle not talking to him or not being with him. i cant deal with it at all

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:smack:
tu phir kya faida is thread ka!
you will have to be patient all your life with him. He know how to get you.
your last post started so well and the ending was a slam on the face.

btw what is your work?

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mai chotai chaotai palai palai bachau kee batau ka bura nai manata....i have bunties..chocolates...colour pencils..and Maggi Noodles for them...:)

giving one example ..and pasting it on whole is not accurate...i am talking about majority......

there are many many aspects..colours..flavours and angles of this debate ...but on the whole..people in past ..live more happily..where bth sides mostly girl...and wife ..willing to sacrifice more ..for husband..home...children ..and other things..now ..by watching ..STAR ..SONY..and HUM...and AAJ ....many of them become choosy*...."Nakhreeli"...*in arrogance of high education..Masters will not willing to accept the graduate husband...standards..choices....etc etc...

as a result..there is very serious problem..of girls..not marrying..and as age crosses the 27 or 26 etc...then in last ..even matric pass ...is like*" gift"* for them....

no doubt..on boy sides..the "list of jahaiz" and "demand" have increased..but both sides ..have changed thier mental attitudes..and as a result..both suffer more..in contrast with past..where there is no such huge amount of divorces...and seperations .as we see today....

moreover...some "greedy" people want "on job" girl...many girls...themselves..not willing to stay home..to look after thier foremost priority...thier home and children..instead ...she is prroving to the world her foolishness...of being equal with men..and doing everything..what he can do !!!!!

and now..she is unaware of the word*"compromise"..as she earns her"own"..not dependant on "any one"...."independent"...."free"...cannot accept the "order of her own husband"..cannot stay at home ..as in "modern days ..staying at home is just like slavery of husband* ....bla bla.....

so let her prove her"**independence" **atthe cost of her own husband..good happy life of home with ...children !!!!

PS:its not generalization...to anyone...circumstances vary from individual to individual...

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Saadia
true, no faida of this post :/ i guess bas mera dil halka ho gya

divine
i do see your point. u happy now?