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^ arshad, that last line is pretty sexist and quite offensive… women aren’t “products”, we’re human beings. and maybe its not a man’s “job” to “shift us”… the world will go on, even if a women is unmarried and in her 30’s, believe it or not (oh no! :rolleyes:). when the time is right for each person, they’ll get married, not sooner, not later, no matter how hard you want it to happen differently. if, as a person, you (you, generally i mean, not you, specifically) have even the slightest faith in God, you would understand that.

i think your comment about putting all your eggs in one basket as a woman is also ludicrous… when someone proposes and you accept, the onus is on both of you to fulfill the commitment you made to each other when you got engaged. otherwise, why bother?

in response to your earlier comment in this thread… marriage and relationships are also not games- you can’t set time limits on people and push them into doing what they’re not ready for yet- sorry, but that isn’t how it works when you’re with someone. the main thing is, you cannot hold somebody else hostage to your own expectations. Until and unless both parties agree on a course of action, both of them are up the creek without a paddle, so to speak. its absolute bull to say as a woman you should expect to be played… there are honourable men in this world and men who have been brought up with the right values and taught the right way of treating relationships, and you do your fellow men no justice when you say that.

in this case, and others, expectations should have been discussed and sorted out from the get-go… you can’t keep it all inside you and still be dating someone 5 years hence when you don’t even know what they want from life and vice versa. its like planning for a party that might or might not happen… no wonder she’s going through personal hell right now.

for all we know, her boyfriend is confused by her urgency and her pushing for a ring… maybe he’s not even that serious about this relationship. maybe he’s just lazy about moving on to someone else or is waiting for that someone else to fall into his lap magically… regardless, the fault is his for not clearing it up with her sooner, and the fault is hers for that same reason as well. why waste your time with someone in a relationship when your end goals are different?
she wants to be married, he doesn’t. its very simple. theres no point running around in circles trying to find a reason for it… thats the way it is, and chances are, this is not a decision made on the fly all of a sudden either… like i said, whats going through his head and hers should have been aired and discussed ages ago. sometimes no matter how hard you try, things aren’t meant to be and you simply have to move on. and the best way to figure that out is through communication… it just boggles my mind that expectations about the future were never discussed here… what else did you talk about, lady?

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The are a couple of comments that are directed at my earlier post(s).

You state that my comments are sexist, and that lifes carries on even if you are unmarried. Well I am not arguing with the latter. Even if I accept your assertion that my comment is sexist....can you tell me if its true or not?

Putting your eggs in one basket does not mean that you start dating several guys at a time. It means that you keep your options open ..have an open mind and have plans to move on if the relationship does not progress. Perhaps you can tell me if that is a prudent thing to do or not? Assuming that you want to get married obviously, otherwise there is no harm in being single all your life.

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arshad5,

if i were to belittle you and say to you that since you are not married, you are nothing? how would you feel?
esp if the woman runs out on you and even though you have a decent character or are self reliant economically and are honest, and caring most importantly, then, would you say, you as a single person, are wrong?

i doubt that.
quiet honestly, many good women dont have such rotten hearts that they lead men on and then all of a sudden switch to another.

best,
Dushwari

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ur clinching onto straws now. he is just using you. i don't think he is serious about u now. if u really want to avoid a major disaster then i'll say leave him. he is not worth ur time, attension and concerns. i don't know wht were the feelings/emotions when this whole thing started bewteen you 2 but now its gone cold. he probably just don't know how to say it to you that its not working between u 2. ur saying ur committed to him. but wht if he goes to pak next month n comes back with a fresh, tender, off saag makhan bride? then what will you do? kill him or commit suicide? there is a right time to do everything and i think for you this is the right time to cut off your ties with him and try to sort out your life and bring it back on track. that guy is out of ur league now.

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This should be plain and clear for you to see sarah..i guess its true when they say "Love is blind..."

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sara

The situation that you in is of infatuation and a little unhealthy dependency.

There are 2 issues here, the minor one is of the marriage..

the major one is of how he treats you, if what you are saying is accurate, ... anyways before i go on sayign soemthing..I am not calling u a liar, but what I mean is that each person looks at things friom his or her own perspective, what I dont know is that this guy can tell us that you are too needy, too clingy, always on his case about wedding while he is trying to do what he can, and that he needs space sometimes, and does not call because he does nto want to get into an argument again...u know..

so anyways, I am going to go with the assumption that your perspective on the situation is the actual situation. In which case, the guy is not worth it. If he cant be supportive, considerate and caring before marriage, he is not going to be that afterwards.

keep your options open, meet some more people. he is the first guy you liked, u dont really even know what other guys are like.

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Sabs
you know my parents recently showed me a pic of a very cute guy who was very well off and all coz they wanted me to marry him. but i was like NO WAY ON EARTH dont even TALK to me about it. the guy was cute. richer than my current bf. no huge family either. my bf has a huge family with him he plans to live after our shadi.
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Ur rishta sounds hotter than what you got right now give the rishta a chance and find out for yourself which future u want. the guy your with should be acting a lil more responsible. moving on is easier said than done but based on sabriya's story it can also mean happiness. there was this one girl who was nikafied with her man who died before the ruksati they were totally in love she eventually had to move on and get married to someone else but now she is so in love with him you'd think he's the only thing she ever loved. maybe it'll naturally fade away with time and wounds will heal?

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guys im in pakistan

im going out of country today on a business trip to europe

for the first time in our lives we wont be meeting for around two weeks

he wanted to drop me to the airport and i want him to drop me to the airport but my dad wants to drop me and i told him i want him to drop me and he said but how .... i said chalo koi nai.. i mean he is not dumb right? he cant even think of a way he can drop me?

my dad knows i love him and my dad is a super understanding person. i dont lie to my dad ever and love him a lot. my dad tells me i can get a much better guy but he is supportive of this relation and wants it to work out.

i usually get a company car for rides to the airport and i could tell my dad i have a company car to drop me... and get a company car to pick me and then get dropped in the middle of the raasta at some spot and he could drop me from there

i can go to a company car to an intermediate location right? cant he think of that? if there's a will there's a way... but he wants me to say it... :) he cant suggest it himself.. and thats not fair

i was the one begging him to talk to his parents. it should have come from his end. he wants me to suggest ways of how he can drop me. cant he think of ways himself? i mean, i have some self respect... though i really dont it seems

i woke him up in the middle of the night yesterday and talked to him on the phone and told him im very disturbed and i cant sleep cant eat and if this situation of our dating but not marriage continues i might just have to get married to someone else to take me out of tihs STRESS i am in

in about 60 hours i have only slept for 6 - he already knows how much weight ive lost in these years every single person tells me i am just bones n skin

he told me i was blowing things out of proportion and overreacting

i told him that he is being unfair to me by saying that and that i love him and he is the one i want and sacrificed so many years of my youth just in the hope to be with him eventually but how long can i stay so depressed i dont want to completely self destruct. we are together but we are not together

he said he has doubts about us being right for each other because we are always fighting

i said, so now i am not worth him and he has doubts about me? how come i never have doubts about him or even if i do i dont SAY it and i just keep taking things forward. he said he also is taking things forward its not that he's not and he also does love me

i told him i understand he has major issues from his family's side and to avoid myself from going insane i need to take myself out of the mess i am in and the only way is for me to get into a marriage with someone

he said if thats what i want i can ho ahead...i said i will talk to my parents about it then before i leave for my trip... then he said he doesnt know how much time it will take but he will give his dad my dad's number today so his dad can talk to my dad

i said if its going to take a lot of time i cant wait i honestly cant ... i love him but i cant just destroy myself...can he get an idea from his dad how long things will take? he said his dad himself doesnt know we just need to go with the flow... i said his dad should know...

in the end i didnt want to be too hard on him i just said ok lets just let your dad talk to my dad and see what happens

now im waiting again....

he wants to meet up today before i go but i dont want to meet him anymore. if he cant even figure out a way to drop me to the airport is there a point

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groovychick

we did discuss future expectations

when he proposed to me some years ago he told me that his family might have issues but they will eventually be okay

he told me i might have to wait for a few years b/c he wants to get settled abroad and then wants to step into marriage as he feels he is not yet established [thats the reason he cited]

i said ok sure

from that my conclusion was that he also wants to get married ASAP but he cant coz he wants to be established first... but as time passed he didnt get any more established... so that reason kind of became void... and the whole family angle seeped into the situation... and it dawned on me that the reason for the delay is his family not his career

now, when i tell him its been years he said i agreed to wait. but im like, i agreed to wait so you could get established but if thats not happenning, then whats stopping us from getting married? that was never discussed in the beginning? b/c if his family didnt have issues and i was just waiting for him to be established then we could at least be in nikah or something i mean it would be a different scenario totally

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saieen/sara
he wont marry anyone else i know that
but he cant even make sure we get married anytime soon

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(besides the marriage issue)it is not necessary ur other half feels the same way as u do he might not be as expressive or emotional as u r ..... he might not be in a habbit to behave the way u do put urself in his position and think abt it!!!
But yeah i would say that if u started the fite u hafto solve it otherwise u shouldnt be running after him!
n for the marriage part stay away for him for a few days completly cut off telling him that u r thinking abt ur future and making the final decision so that he knows either he has to marry u or leave u!

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X2

i think i could be happy in the future with any guy who cares

but im with him. i want THIS relation to work out :/

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stylo

its not about what his personality is like

he needs to realise what my needs are and behave in that way

its not about personality its about what the other person needs from you yaar

he can be very expressive when he wants to be

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hey

personaly i believe what the rest of the freinds have said from the beginning of this post is the best advice u will find even if u did go for counciling on this issue they will give u the same advice as what the rest of the freinds here have given u..

i think u should read what everyones got to say from the beginning of this thread and let yourself digest it all..then think is life really worth living with this guy...

may Allah help you and be with you in this difficult time and may Allah make you brave to face him.....Ameen.....

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I am not belittling you anybody. I am saying that as adults we have to take some responsibility for our own lives rather than just blaming (rightly or wrongly) others for our predictament. One cannot hold a gun to people's head and say that they have to marry someone. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with being unmarried either..if that is what you want then thats cool.

Personally it wouldn't bother me what anyone said about me being unmarried, I have a philosophical outlook on life. I know that I can get married anytime..I might just need to slightly change or broaden my criteria, or not be so laid back about it. If I choose not to make these changes then I cannot blame anybody else.

It is not simply a matter of leading men on and then switching to another. First of all nobody should lead anybody on...both of them should want to marry. Secondly if you are dating someone or interested in someone and matters don't progress the it is only logical to move on. You cannot afford to be emotionally tied up with the previous person. Maybe it is easier for some than others. This is not an insult on the character of anyone. You are allowed to make these choices.

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wow..reminds me of a story about a friend

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To be honest...he dusnt care....n he wants to control u....put pressure on u so ud do wut HE wants.....break it up...:)

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Im sorry woman, but now you have to MOVE ON! You know why, lol he took the advantage of the situation and said what he couldn't say easily out infront of you WITH taking fighting as a reason to defend himself. I read you mentioned you guys are in ur late 20s? come on, I know u love him but hey he is not .. definitely frm what u have mentioned so far, he is not interested in u anymore. When a guy is interested in a girl, he will show it .. he shows it .. unless he is a sissy.. n since ur guy proposed u once - he is not a sissy n just not interested in u anymore this way.
He is giving u hints loud n clear that step away n go find someone else ..but i guess u r too blind to see it .. leave n walk away larki, its better to walk away before he actually comes to u n say it literally to leave him alone - that gonna hurt more.

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im sorry if this sounds harsh, but you're kind of obsessed at this point and frankly, its scary. you really need to snap out of it, grow up and realise that things will not be working out here. no matter how much you love somebody, you CANNOT force them to love you back.
so you can either continue whining and forcing his hand, which i have a feeling won't go on for much more because really, how much can the guy take? especially when he's giving you SUCH a clear picture of how he's just not that into you. have you considered what you'll do if he breaks up with you?

OR you could step up and have some self-respect and tell him to bugger off. go live your life and give someone else a chance- someone who cares about you and actually WANTS you around in their lives, and that you could also love. why put yourself through this mental torture for someone who just isn't worth it? he's so damned complacent and uncaring, its ridiculous.