Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
Sunni scholar regarding Yazid / Yazid is a fasid
Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
this shows the downfall of muslims as a nation .we have zero tolerance . We muslims will keep on blaming each other abt whoz is true follower of islam and whoz not? but how many of us are following the five pillars of islam and sunnah of our Holy Prophet (PBUH) Have we ever thought abt this ? On the day of judgement nobody will be bothered about shia or sunni instead everyone would be worried about themselves. The only thing with us will be our deeds Remember that !
Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
I have a question to Maverick: where are the shrines of ur so called HAZRAT YAzid (naozubillah) and have u ever been to their shrine?
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Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
I dont wanna write more on this topic or give any authentic hawala, only one example will be enough for all the followers of yazid.
Even wikipedia knows how devil was he? The period of Yazid's rule was a great disaster for the Muslims...
I have a question to Maverick: where are the shrines of ur so called HAZRAT YAzid (naozubillah) and His Father HAZRAT Muaviya(naozubillah) and have u ever been to their shrine?
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hazrat muavia grave is in damacus and hazrat mufti taqi usmani visited his shrine and has narrated account of his visit in his book "Jahan Deeda". a special permission from the govt of syria is required to visit his shrine as ppl from a sect wud throw garbage on his grave. and we shud condemn such a obnoxiuos behaviour
as far as yazid grave is concerned it whereabouts is generally considered unknown. however it is said that he was buried in damascus. in a documentery by naheed hadi with the title "safre karbala " a grave is shown that is said to be the grave of hazrat yazid. however its authencity is doubtful.
Even wikipedia knows how devil was he? The period of Yazid's rule was a great disaster for the Muslims...
wikipedia ............... lols ....... kia criteria hay .
Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
Maverick , please comment on the videos! what are your thoughts now when it comes from our fellow sunni brethren and islamic scholars
Maverick , please comment on the videos! what are your thoughts now when it comes from our fellow sunni brethren and islamic scholars
thanx 4 ur input
i cud not see the video as video is blocked on my office pc and there is problem in net connection at home. newayz i will do sth to see these videos as soon as possible.
by the way whats da credential of the speaker. i havent heard of his name. i wud appreciate if u tell us about his background and achievement.
secondly yazid is a controversial character of the history as a political figure ............ but he was neither a kafir nor a fasiq. as majority of the sahaba of that period endorsed his caliphship. like abudullah bin abbas, umar bin saad, hazrat abdullah bin umer and many other whose name i dont remember did bayat of hazrat yazid.
hazrat Habib ur Reman Kahndalvi in his book "Mazhabi datain aur unki Haqeeqat" has mentioned list of around 350 sahaba who were alive when the bayaat of yazid as successor of hazrat amir muavia was taken and nobody (except few ppl )opposed Hazrat Yazid nomination. he was the commander for the constantinople and many sahaba including Hazrat ayub ansari fought under his leadership (narrated in sahih bukhari ). he was appointed as an amir hajj 3 times in the regime of hazrat amir muavia and nobody opposed him.
whoever rose against him (like hazrat hussain and hazrat ibn zubair) muslims did not support them inspite of the fact that both were sahabi and close relative prophet..........
why muslim did not support hazrat hussain and hazrat ibn zubair. what i can say about it except
zaliqa fudllullah yuteha main yasha ho wullah ho zul fad lil azim
wikipedia ............... lols ....... kia criteria hay .
Exactly tats wat my point is, He is one low character of the history tat EVEN wikipedia have no consideration for him...lols...wat a poor soul
WATU IZZU MAN TASHAO WATU ZILLO MAN TASHAO..
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first of all share ur but dont call names specially to a sahabi i.e hazrat muavia.
hazrat muavia grave is in damacus and hazrat mufti taqi usmani visited his shrine and has narrated account of his visit in his book "Jahan Deeda". a special permission from the govt of syria is required to visit his shrine as ppl from a sect wud throw garbage on his grave. and we shud condemn such a obnoxiuos behaviour
One will get what he deserve and again WATU IZZU MAN TASHAO WATU ZILLO MAN TASHAO
Re: Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin
as far as yazid grave is concerned it whereabouts is generally considered unknown. however it is said that he was buried in damascus. in a documentery by naheed hadi with the title "safre karbala " a grave is shown that is said to be the grave of hazrat yazid. however its authencity is doubtful.
no whereabouts and yet ppl with limited school of thoughts called him HAZRAT..what a pity and on the other hand the shrine of Imam Hussain (a.s.) along with the shrines of other 10 Imam are very well renowned and stand gracefully on the map of the universe.
Autheticity is doubtful cuz there is no grave in his fate, forget about a respect and shrine..He was no less than FIROUN and we all knows, wat happened to FIROUN..
as far as yazid grave is concerned it whereabouts is generally considered unknown. however it is said that he was buried in damascus. in a documentery by naheed hadi with the title "safre karbala " a grave is shown that is said to be the grave of hazrat yazid. however its authencity is doubtful.
no whereabouts and yet ppl with limited school of thoughts called him HAZRAT..what a pity and on the other hand the shrine of Imam Hussain (a.s.) along with the shrines of other 10 Imam are very well renowned and stand gracefully on the map of the universe.
Autheticity is doubtful cuz there is no grave in his fate, forget about a respect and shrine..He was no less than **FIROUN **and we all knows, wat happened to FIROUN..
well said 2 shrines of of hazrat hussain (one in egypt and the other one is iraq), 3 shrines of hazrat ali in iraq, mizar sharif (afghanistan) and one in bulkh, 2 shrines reported for hazrat fatima (refer asool e kafi ).
u have mentioned firuoon............. hope u have seen pyramaid (tombs of firoun) they are much more magnificient than the shrines u r referring to........ is this ur criteria ? think.
what about more than one lack prophets, do u know about their graves. except for prophet muhammad (PBUH) none of prophets' grave are authentically known ............. what u say about it.
brother i havent tried to make ne comparison btw hazrat hussain and yazid. everybody has its own virtues and limitations. so dont make ne human being divine and lable the rest as devil.
hazrat muavia grave is in damacus and hazrat mufti taqi usmani visited his shrine and has narrated account of his visit in his book "Jahan Deeda". a special permission from the govt of syria is required to visit his shrine as ppl from a sect wud throw garbage on his grave. and we shud condemn such a obnoxiuos behaviour
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why is taqi usmani so obsessed with muawiyah ...his book on him is full of excuses ( which have been throughly refuted in detail) he made for muawiyah the enemy of sunnah, makes u think what is the agenda of taqi usmani ? the perpetuation of dictatorship ?
did usmani also visit the graves of sahaba/tabaeen killed by muawiyah and his fitna ? or is he showing off his nasibi credentials
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hazrat Habib ur Reman Kahndalvi in his book "Mazhabi datain aur unki Haqeeqat" has mentioned list of around 350 sahaba who were alive when the bayaat of yazid as successor of hazrat amir muavia was taken and nobody (except few ppl )opposed Hazrat Yazid nomination. he was the commander for the constantinople and many sahaba including Hazrat ayub ansari fought under his leadership (narrated in sahih bukhari ). he was appointed as an amir hajj 3 times in the regime of hazrat amir muavia and nobody opposed him
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350 sahaba did bayat willingly ? or is there proof to show that all did bayat at all.We have seen what happened to abdurrehamn b abibakr and son of khalid if u opposed succession of yazid so why would people rise up and risk their lives.Also u forget abdullah b hanzala the leader of ansar was a sahabi too.
abu ayub ansari participated in fighting AGAINST romans ( common enemy of all muslims) that does not prove anything as all the fiqah say that fighting against non-muslims does not come to an halt simply because muslims are ruled by a tyrant furthermore this was after sulh-e-hasan meaning that there was no civil war going on at that time. btw malik b harith ashtar nakhai whom u guys hate so much also participated in wars in the time of uthman.
abu tufayl sahabi and saeed b jubair tabii participated in wars under hajjaj b yusuf against non-muslims, does that mean that hajjaj was a good man ? also some sahaba intially supported yazid and then opposed him lik dhaqak b qays who dies fighting marwan
the silence of vast majority of people does not justify the acceptance of yazid or muaowiyah's rule because if thats the case then why isnt muaiwyah and yazid khalifa-e-rasshid ? as they were selected by ijma of sahaba ( per your theory) which is criterea of khilafat-e-rashida.By this time the freedom of speech of times of abubakr/umar/ali has been replaced by bribery, intimidation and assasination.few were willing to risk that
u shud ask the question why hadith say khilafat rashida is only first 30yrs and then period of umar b abdul aziz
u mentioned four people only but at time of muawiyah's death he mentions 4 people in will to yazid and how he should deal with them.Clearly it means that politically the opinion of these 4 mattered the most, rest of the sahaba were either too old or tribally/politically insignificant to matter in power politiics.Afterall didnt sayyidna umar appoint 6 sahaba to form a shura for succession ? difference is that at that time despite difference of opinion between sahaba no bribes were used no poisons given no one was threathened
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. like abudullah bin abbas, umar bin saad, hazrat abdullah bin umer and many other whose name i dont remember did bayat of hazrat yazid.
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ibn abbas or ibn umer never participated or endorsed any action done by yazid, they simply didnt rise up against him as they were too old and ibn abbas was nearly blind like many other old sahaba like jabir b abdullah , zayd b arqam etc
umer b sa'd is a sahabi ? i doubt though i will check
btw u forget that ibn umer also OPPOSED aisha and muawiyah risingup against ali ....so it was not exclusively to rebellion against yazid he was opposed. he was opposeed against the principle of an armed uprising no matter against whom.He was of this opinion he was a great sahabi and impartial in his judgement but he was wrong in conclusion as none of the scholars have supported this view.Just like abdullah b jafar another sahabai was wrong to patronize musicians.
just a tiny preview of the hypocrisy and decadence of present day 12ers who CLAIM to follow ahle bait while they criticize the pious salaf the sahaba/tabaeen of kufa
Das reich i have been following this thread and i think you are acting quite immature by posting such videos . these videos dont represent the whole of the shia community. There are bad and good people in every community. you dont have any right to label anyone as bad or non believer. I am a sunni muslim and i strongly believe that i am responsible for my own actions. I dont care what shias do as i am answerable for my own deeds infront of Allah SWT. Its people like you who have messed up our country by spreading hatred amongst sunnis and shias. Atleast try to change yourself on this important day of our quaid e azam and spread peace brotherhood amongst the fellow Pakistan brothers and sisters. Grow up and stop acting like a kid .
PA this is not childish abuse thats how most 12ers are perverting pakistani culture and thats just the tip of the iceberg ...now if "enjoin good and forbid evil " is childish go and argue with jurists
adsad first learn to READ , where have i stated that i like or support yazid or muwiyah show me one post, regarding videos they represent a vast majority of 12ers the good 12ers of pious character i know too but they r a smaill minority.
thirdly nowhere i said that khariji nasibi or rafidi are non-muslims so dont put words in my mouth ...ur post just shows ur ignorance of divergent difference of opinions in islam
Das reich u definately need help man. who gave you the right to declare anyone pious or non pious i am representing islam in a peaceloving way which clearly tells us to respect other faiths and sects not use cheap propoganda to declare anyone immoral . I am sorry brother but ur just stuck up with 12ers . Grow up dude ! Islam ki takidaar na bano Khuda ki liye.
yeah u r rite that majority of pros in pakistan red lite area are shias..... but still this can never be used as criteria for labelling them perverted. achay buray log har qoom aur mazhab main hain. i know many shia families they are very practicing muslims and their women are modest and observe purdah.
i think one shud not use such kind of videos/clips to prove other wrong. this wud create/increase sectarian hatred.
we shud respect other human beings and specially muslims (that invariably include shais) ............ yeah we have difference wid them but it does not mean we shud use such kind of tactics to insult them.
It amazes me as a pakistani that we judge people from the sect they belong to. So what if the women in red light area practice a certain faith arent they human beings. If some people from christan community work as cleaners we will start abusing them as well just becoz of their profession.Frozen evaluation of communities needs to be stopped. they are so many people from the minorites giving their best for Pakistan. Pakistan had enough of sectarian hatred and needs to get out of it soon so we can give our future generation a peaceful pakistan.
Pakistan Zindabad!