Hazrat Yazid Ibn Muavia (RA) First Sermon as an Amir ul Momin

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not wronged him, killed him and his family, in the most brutal way imaginable.

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Wronged or killed, their fate is in the hands of Allah (SWT) not ours.

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if ur family is killed brutaly will u do the same????will u forgive the culprits n wont curse thm ????

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Why do we have courts then?
To punish such killers, isn't?
or we should leave it in God's hands?

Yazeed was a shameless killer, who continued to rule, even after such embarassments.

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mr jafri

i humbly request u to appreciate this fact that hazrat hussain bin ali was not going to garland .................. man this is politics . and he was revolting against the govt widout ne support of the ppl of his homeland (ie makkah and madina) .......

if hazrat hussain wud have reached kufa the sacene wud the same but the character wud be in different position .................

*head of ibn ziyad in front of hazrat hussain *

and the descendents of muhammad is not beyond the shariah and law.

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it is due to their share ignorance ........

they need to consult sahih bukhari and sahih muslim ......who have not mentioned nething negative about hazrat yazid.

in jung jamal sahaba fought against each other but we dont consider them impious.

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^ I am afraid you have fallen prey to mischievious propaganda o the point that you have stopped using common sense.

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may be u r rite. as human knowlege is limited and has many limitation.

but my point is if the imams of hadith (imam bukhari and imam muslim) we follow has not mention nething negative about hazrat yazid and majority of sahaba endorsed his caliphship. we have got no point to condemn him as a pervert.

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Yazid is responsible for what happened in Karbala. It was his government and his troops who committed those attrocities. Supports a criminal = supporting his crime. You need to install some fear of God in your heart.

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if hazrat hussain wud have reached kufa the sacene wud the same but the character wud be in different position .................

*head of ibn ziyad in front of hazrat hussain *

and the descendents of muhammad is not beyond the shariah and law

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what is the shariah law to deal with rebels and where do the jurists get it from ?

are the examples of yazid and muawiyah EVER taken as sunnah ?

khuda ka khauf karo ....

mahmood ahmed abbasi aur ateeq ur rehman sambli ko apna pir na banao

yes no one is above the law as Prophet said even if fatima commits theft her hands wud be amputated , but the question is who is the rebel in this case ? people of medina and hussain who are rising up to ENFORCE SUNNAH or yazid and ummayyads who are violating shariah?

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It is important to note that renowned muhaddissin have not discussed the karabala incident in detail in the books of hadith (like alkalini, imam muslim and imam bukhari) as it is more related to politics rather than religion. However imam bukhari has given few hints about this tragic incident, and the ppl who were responsible for the tragic martyrdom of Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali. So what we get about the incident of karbala is through historians (but the dilemma is, there are lot of contradictions in their statements, specially regarding the involvement and role of hazrat yazid ib muavia in that tragedy & most importantly the legitimacy of the khurooj of hazrat hussain ibn ali).
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i wouder why ibn kathir a tradionalist and that too a syrian one bothered to write his monumental work Al-Bidaya on history , if politics was so seperate from religion ?

when the time comes to mention how yazid cried and treated family of hussain so well , u guys are more than happy to quote history books.Do you consider yazid b muawiyah a khalifa -e-Rashid or tyrant/king ?

and even the hadith u quoted vaguely hint at the "people of iraq" without taking any names ...so could u be more specific ?

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i havent find ne thing objectionable about yazid and hazrat amir muavia in sahih muslim and bukhari. except for one narration in sahih muslim about hazrat amir muavia, but its context is very political.

if u know nething i missed u can share......

if u call hazrat amir muavia and yazid ahle bidah ............ i think u r crossing the line.

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^Quite a naive argument. Bukhari and muslim are not books of history nor they are alll inclusive, nor do they claim to be. They have arranged their books to reflect teir opinion on Fiqh. Just look at the organisation of chapters. By the way its not only him calling them ahle bidah, many prominent sunni Faqihs.

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No Imam e Ahle Bait ever gave his ba'et to any caliph. The Ijma in case of caliphs was as much true as Ijma would be true in case of any tyrant.

Had Yazid just not KILLED the Ahle Bait, khain e Ahle Bait like you would have considered him the 5th caliph. There was enough the so-called ijma with Yazid as well to comfortably place him in line with the caliphs you follow.

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What does this particular sentence exhibit?

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bingo !

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bro u shud read the commentary on sahih bukhari by ibn hajar asqalani , also see nasai and tirmidh

esp in relation to zakat , hajj , bayt ul mal , and interest and u will see how muaiwyah changed sunnah and why he is not considered a rightly guided caliph.

esp see the hadith in which miqdam b adi a sahabi has a converstion with muawiyah after assasination of hasan b ali

anyone who introduces bidah in islam is ahle bidah whether rafidah or nawasib. wrt to muawiyah only reason why scholars dont openly criticize them is because he is a sahabi and it gives an opportunity to rafida ( like prince abbas here) to take potshots at all sahaba.

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ur just ranting but the bottomline is the core of corrupt people morally and politically are 12ers in pakistan

re: zainab she was not infalliable ( maybe u think so) she only knew what she saw in karbala ...what did she know about the tawwabun and the vast majority of kufans who were terrorized by ibn ziyad.its easy to criticize when ur neck is not on the line.tawwabun gave the ultimate sacrfice even for a dead hussain why wont they have done that for a living husssain ? so get off ur high horse and face the facts zainab was a woman who was just traumatized by loss of 18 males of her family u cant blame her for being bitter....

12er puppies like u claim to love ahle bait and criticize kufans , if u were in those days u will never have the courage to venture outside ur home ....when have 12ers in pakistan done anything good ?

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prince abbas,

I apologize for getting angry & off topic I do consider 12ers as rafidi as they curse the vast majority of sahaba inc abu bakr and umar but i wont use that term if it offends u

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وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ أَئِمَّةً يَدْعُونَ إِلَى النَّارِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ لَا يُنصَرُونَ
Pickthal 28:41] And We made them patterns that invite unto the Fire, and on the Day of Resurrection they will not be helped.
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وَأَتْبَعْنَاهُمْ فِي هَذِهِ الدُّنْيَا لَعْنَةً وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ هُم مِّنَ الْمَقْبُوحِينَ **
Pickthal 28:42] And We made a curse to follow them in this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be among the hateful.

When ALLAH has decided that curse shall follow em in this world, then whats the point of stopping shias from cursing em ?