Pls let me know other than Ahmadiyya, who made use of these 'vague' terms in their benefit. Moreover, 'Kiya is 'KHAIR-E-UMMAT' ki qismat main imposter or dajjal hi hain. kisi sache ne nahin aana'
As far as imposters are concerned, those who attribute falsehood to Allah and make claims and spread teachings falsely attributing them to Allah, Allah Himself takes care of them as He did throughout the history. Imposters don't prosper here or in the hereafter. Allah deals with them no matter how strong they may seem and no matter who is on their side. But for the truthful, the one who is sent by Allah and is planted by Himself, noone can uproot him or his mission. This is what we have witnesed throughout the history.
Just one sentence ... The End times will not follow the patterns of history ...
that while he was watching the people HE MADE SURE THEY DID NOT DO SHIRK WITH HIM ... while he was not with them HE COULDN'T MAKE SURE OF IT and that ALLAH ((SWT)) knows full well what is in his heart about what he portrayed to his people.
On the second coming though, there will be billions of people who are doing shirk with him, and there will be some left doing shirk after he's done, according to your previous posts. So it appears Isa (AS)'s testimony would be false nauzobillah.
On the second coming though, there will be billions of people who are doing shirk with him, and there will be some left doing shirk after he's done, according to your previous posts. So it appears Isa (AS)'s testimony would be false nauzobillah.
The testimony that is false brahmachari99 is your one above ... Or at least the reasoning is ... When Isa (as) sees the people who have gone astray, they will either convert upon seeing him or die. The claim above about Isa(as) being a witness over them is on the whole that if they DO accept him to be Isa(as) and DO NOT confuse him to be a false messiah like the Jews thought of him the first time round, then they will see him to confirm the Islamic scriptures and convert on the spot ... Through the Mercy of Allah .... Now all those who will not see the truth due to their own kufr, will die upon his breath reaching them.
If Isa (as) had come we would have been in a world order of Islam, which does not mean there will be no evil or shirk ... But that all legislation and laws will be in their rightful place putting the value system of the world in it's rightful place.
So many people with never see him (AS) and he will not see them ... Also, when he dies then how many years after him will it take for people to start the shirk all over again before Aakhira ??? I believe there will be some time after he goes that Qayyamah will start ... Allahu'Alim
When Isa (as) sees the people who have gone astray, they will either convert upon seeing him or die. The claim above about Isa(as) being a witness over them is on the whole that if they DO accept him to be Isa(as) and DO NOT confuse him to be a false messiah like the Jews thought of him the first time round, then** they will see him to confirm the Islamic scriptures and convert on the spo**t ... Through the Mercy of Allah .... Now all those who will not see the truth due to their own kufr, will die upon his breath reaching them.
So they will either convert or drop dead on the spot?? Can you please give references for that please? What happened to the "no coercion in religion"? And how in the world are Christians going to convert though? All their lives they've been waiting for the return of Jesus (AS), and when he finally comes he's preaching Islam? Isn't he most likely to be vehemently opposed and denied by them, just like they did the first time when they were waiting for the Messiah?
No I don’t think they will all oppose him, but those that do they will die …
***He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odour of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope.
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***It is understood that people will have a chance to convert, only those who are considered the non-believers here are those who are actively denying guidance … not those from amongst humanity who are merely confused and misguided.
At one way u r saying that Prophet Muhammad is khatimeen-e-Nabuwat and other way u r saying that a new prophet will come, and to prove it you are quoting any Quranic verses whichever fit as per your claim.
Where does Prophet Muhammad foretold about ‘someone’ who will come after him? and who is this ‘someone’?
In His narration, He said ‘Isa Ibn-e-Maryam’ not ‘someone’.
Seems to me like we are just rounding again and again in a circlule.
1) You may have given others answers which may be satisfying, but till yet you owe me a explanation. You are jumping to the Bible where infact we know that most of it is corrupted. Second Isa, (as) says he does not know that they worship me, because he was not with them, so how could he know that they will worship him? He did not know, He did not know, He did not know, Period. There is no other space left in the Room.
2)Till yet you owe me a explantion to Verse 32 of Sura Al-Maryam. Why are you not answering to this verse?
Who is he paying alms? Allah, the dead? The angels?
Abu Talib was given the title Khatam-ul-Muhajereen! Now, your answer? Does that mean that he was the last Muhajereen? Till today people emigrate from Mekka to Medina and reverse!
Abu Talib was given the title Khatam-ul-Muhajereen! Now, your answer? Does that mean that he was the last Muhajereen? Till today people emigrate from Mekka to Medina and reverse!
It has something to do with the discussion! Period. Does that mean that Muhammad Mustafa (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) is the last Prophet? No, Khatam is used for the Prophet and for Abu Talib. So it has a lot to do with the discussion. Plus, you are also welcome to tell me where Isa (as) is paying alms and where he is praying?
It has something to do with the discussion! Period. Does that mean that Muhammad Mustafa (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) is the last Prophet? No, Khatam is used for the Prophet and for Abu Talib. So it has a lot to do with the discussion. Plus, you are also welcome to tell me where Isa (as) is paying alms and where he is praying?
Bigboi,
Can you provide the authentic reference for Abu Talib to be called Khatam-ul-muhajereen? I am not aware of that.
To my little knowledge, Abu Talib died in the 10th year of Nubuwah - the same year Hazrat Khadija left this world and the year was called aam-ul-huzn (year of sorrow).
at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels.
So Isa (AS) would actually physically descend from heavens for everyone to see? Isn't this exactly what Jews were waiting for 2000 years ago and exactly the reason they denied Christ the first time... that they couldn't see him descend from heavens?
If he happens to decend in a Shia-dominated area and doesn't believe in the 12 imams, what is likely to happen to him? Would Shia start following him all of a sudden? If he descends in a Sunni country but professes Shia articles of faith, would Sunnis listen to him?
***it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope.
Revelation (wahi) from Allah is still possible then?
So Isa (AS) would actually physically descend from heavens for everyone to see? Isn't this exactly what Jews were waiting for 2000 years ago and exactly the reason they denied Christ the first time... that they couldn't see him descend from heavens?
If he happens to decend in a Shia-dominated area and doesn't believe in the 12 imams, what is likely to happen to him? Would Shia start following him all of a sudden? If he descends in a Sunni country but professes Shia articles of faith, would Sunnis listen to him?
Revelation (wahi) from Allah is still possible then?
Yes, but the Jews were not waiting for this sign ... kindly provide a basis for this ... the Shi'a Sunni questions are hypothetical ... and based on prejudice ... simple answer is if we see him (AS) fulfill his signs then we will follow him (AS).
Wahi is possible, but not in the form of risaala .... Wa'llahu'alim
1) You may have given others answers which may be satisfying, but till yet you owe me a explanation. You are jumping to the Bible where infact we know that most of it is corrupted. Second Isa, (as) says he does not know that they worship me, because he was not with them, so how could he know that they will worship him? He did not know, He did not know, He did not know, Period. There is no other space left in the Room.
2)Till yet you owe me a explantion to Verse 32 of Sura Al-Maryam. Why are you not answering to this verse?
Who is he paying alms? Allah, the dead? The angels?
Abu Talib was given the title Khatam-ul-Muhajereen! Now, your answer? Does that mean that he was the last Muhajereen? Till today people emigrate from Mekka to Medina and reverse!
Yes there are parts of the Bible that are corrupted, when you have been reading these books for years like I have you tend see where those corruptions have come in ... thanks to the Qur'an - Al-Furqan.
The verse regarding being witness - is not one where Isa (AS) denies knowledge - rather he denies ever calling the people to other than tawhid ... for some reason you think his denying is about "knowledge" but it is not ... it is about "whether or not Isa (AS) made sure that his followers did not do shirk in his name."
Surah Maryam verse 33 - this is about he himself - from verse 30 Isa (AS) is speaking then narrates that he himself is blessed ...
There are too many references to list here. You can look them up yourself, or I’ll try to find them and list them here when I have time. Basically, Jews believed that Elijah had physically ascended into the heaven in a chariot of fire. They also believed that he would physically descend from heaven to herald the coming of Jesus Christ. When Jesus Christ (AS) said that Elijah had already come, and John the Baptist was Elijah, no-one believed him because they wanted to see Elijah return in person, physically descend from heaven.
There are remarkable similarities between what the Jews believed and what the Muslims believe now. Both are, to this day waiting for the Prophets to physically descend from heaven.
And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did *to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer *at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. (Mathew 17:10)
I’m glad that you have corrected yourself, it was not Isa(AS) that the Jews were expecting to descend, but Elijah. Now that you have kindly reintroduced the subject of Elijah (AS) …
Please can you translate the three Arabic names that I asked kchughtai to earlier translate:
Alyasa, Ilyaas, Yahya
The reason why I am saying this is because this is one of the areas where we can work out how the previous scripture was not on the button. Note: the statement “Then the disciples understood …” this is the opinion of the narrator and not a quote of either the disciples or Isa (AS).
When looking at the words of John the Baptist himself - he denies it.
I'm glad that you have corrected yourself, it was not Isa(AS) that the Jews were expecting to descend, but Elijah. Now that you have kindly reintroduced the subject of Elijah (AS) ...
Please can you translate the three Arabic names that I asked kchughtai to earlier translate:
**Alyasa, Ilyaas, Yahya
The reason why I am saying this is because this is one of the areas where we can work out how the previous scripture was not on the button. Note: the statement "Then the disciples understood ..." this is the opinion of the narrator and not a quote of either the disciples or Isa (AS).
When looking at the words of John the Baptist himself - he denies it**.
I didn't reply it since that didn't seem relevant. I know about John the baptist and Yahya(as) are the same person. don't know about the rest. but the references I quoted, you had no answer for them. You pick and choose a lot. where something is apparently aligned with your thought then you keep quoting it left and right knowing that contradicting references are also there. When something is going against your thought then you outright reject it no matter how solid the evidence is.
The case of Elijah prophet and prophecy surrounding his coming is all there in old testament and in new testament as well. not just in one place. and I have quoted a few. There are Jewish religious scholars who still quote as 'not coming of Elijah' as one of the reasons that Jesus(as) was not a true promised messiah.
Jhon the baptist might have clarifying the fact that he is not same Elijah who died centuries ago. You closed your eyes to the testimony of Jesus and attributed it to a narrator. I don't think we can talk further with such sort of mindset
I didn't reply it since that didn't seem relevant. I know about John the baptist and Yahya(as) are the same person. don't know about the rest. but the references I quoted, you had no answer for them. You pick and choose a lot. where something is apparently aligned with your thought then you keep quoting it left and right knowing that contradicting references are also there. When something is going against your thought then you outright reject it no matter how solid the evidence is.
The case of Elijah prophet and prophecy surrounding his coming is all there in old testament and in new testament as well. not just in one place. and I have quoted a few. There are Jewish religious scholars who still quote as 'not coming of Elijah' as one of the reasons that Jesus(as) was not a true promised messiah.
Jhon the baptist might have clarifying the fact that he is not same Elijah who died centuries ago. You closed your eyes to the testimony of Jesus and attributed it to a narrator. I don't think we can talk further with such sort of mindset
Actually in that particular verse it was the narrator who stated it, but you are right elsewhere in the New Testament - Jesus calls John the Baptist Elijah ... What is clear in my view is not from the Bible however that is what you are accusing me of ... Rather the Qur'an confirms that Ilyaas (AS) - Elias = Elijah and Yahya (AS) - John are two different people, by invoking them separately.
My basis for rejecting the idea that John is Elijah and my basis for rejecting that Elijah is necessitated to come before Jesus is from the Qur'an ...
The Qur'an confirms Jesus (AS) as Messiah therefore I have to reject the Jewish claims that he is not despite their prophecy in the Book of Malachi and the Qur'an supports John and Elijah as two different people despite the New Testament indicating that they are one. I don't pick and choose ... I select from the previous scriptures that what is compatible with the Qur'an.
The last thing is this ... Since the Jews believed that Elijah went up to heaven in person alive and are awaiting his return - then by your argument to use him (Elijah) as an analogy we should accept that it is possible for Isa (AS) to have done the same - i.e. Ascend without death.
regarding the verse 5:116, 117, I have talked about in the post#41. pls refer to it.
In addition to it, I would again lay emphasis on the fact that in the last part of his response, Jesus(as) cleared himself of the responsibility of the shirk of his people by saying "As long as I was among them, I was a witness over them when you gave me death then only You(Allah) was watcher over them".
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The verse regarding being witness - is not one where Isa (AS) denies knowledge - rather he denies ever calling the people to other than tawhid ... for some reason you think his denying is about "knowledge" but it is not ... it is about "whether or not Isa (AS) made sure that his followers did not do shirk in his name."
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this explaination doesn't make any sense as Jesus(as) has already said very clearly in his first three responses. The fourth response shows that under the watch of Jesus(as) his people didn't do shirk, it could only have happened after his 'tawaffee' and after his tawaffee only and only Allah was watcher over them. The part about Allah being watcher is stressed with 'Kunta Anta' that could mean that only and only Allah was watcher over them after the tawafee of jesus(as) and there is absolutely no chance of him being witness over them again.
So since it is manifest to us the shirk of his people then only tawaffee i.e., death has already happened.
Actually in that particular verse it was the narrator who stated it, but you are right elsewhere in the New Testament - Jesus calls John the Baptist Elijah ... What is clear in my view is not from the Bible however that is what you are accusing me of ... Rather the Qur'an confirms that Ilyaas (AS) - Elias = Elijah and Yahya (AS) - John are two different people, by invoking them separately.
My basis for rejecting the idea that John is Elijah and my basis for rejecting that Elijah is necessitated to come before Jesus is from the Qur'an ...
*The Qur'an confirms Jesus (AS) as Messiah therefore I have to reject the Jewish claims that he is not despite their prophecy in the Book of Malachi and the Qur'an supports John and Elijah as two different people despite the New Testament indicating that they are one. I don't pick and choose ... I select from the previous scriptures that what is compatible with the Qur'an.
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Quran does confirm that Jesus(as) was the true promised messiah to Jewsih people and it is a fulfillment of the third promise mentioned in 3:55. but at the time of jesus, people did ask him about Elijah who was to come back. In response, Jesus(as) pointed to Yahya thus telling them how the prophecy is fulfilled. those who wanted to have literal menifestation of the prophecy rejected him. It was not the only but one of the reasons Jews present for rejecting and falsifying Jesus.
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The last thing is this ... Since the Jews believed that Elijah went up to heaven in person alive and are awaiting his return - then by your argument to use him (Elijah) as an analogy we should accept that it is possible for Isa (AS) to have done the same - i.e. Ascend without death.
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What are you saying? No the only analogy that we can draw is that Jews were waiting for Elijah prophet to return and in fact Yahya(as) was sent. Who didn't descend from heavens but was born. Similary the coming back of Jesus(as) doesn't mean ascent and descent of the same old Jesus(as) but ..
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ). Muslim -Book 41 : Hadith 6924
is khatimeen-e-Nabuwat and other way u r saying that a new prophet will come, and to prove it you are quoting any Quranic verses whichever fit as per your claim.