Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a and the Romans

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@khanbabax

Difference between Sahabas was Ijtehadi Ikhtelaf, and if you are right in your Ijtehad you get atleast 2 rewards, and 1 reward for a person who is wrong in his Ijtehad. Differences between Sahabas were not for Wordly or personal gains as Shias try their best to potray it as that.

exactly.....

[khanbabax]

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^^
Khawarij were same Shias who LEFT Hazrat Ali r.a. when he tried to negotiate with Hazrat Muawiya r.a., and later on martyred HAZrat Ali r.a

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@nstar777

What about the possibilty of them being together and on one side on the day of judgement? where would that leave all the present day fools who are fighting and killing each other without knowing and understanding the real truth.

agree with you. 100% ......actually they people think that they have some sort of Possession over the lion of god(ra) ...and only these people love ali(ra) ...but what kind of love is this to oppose everything with ali(ra) and then saying we are Lovers of ali(ra) !!!!!!!!!!

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If he really hate ali(ra) would sons of ali(ra) used to visit every year to ameer muavia(ra) and he had gifted them with heavy prizes...infact a very close relative of hassa and hussain(ra) was yazeed wife.. i forgot the name and relationship....

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And you people quoted tons of ahadees of hatred of ali(ra) but forgot the shaeeh hadees of prophet(pbuh) , i think ..it is of Bukhari and Muslim that

*Once prophet(pbuh) took hassan(ra) in his lap and said this my son will be the leader as through him..Allah will unite two great groups of "MUSLIMS" *

now tell me...on which account ..you are saying that the people who fought ali(ra) have to go to hell.......prophet(pbuh) is saying the two groups of "MUSLIMS"......

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This hadees clearly shows that both muavia(ra) and ali(ra) fought for a difference of opinion and **Ijtihadi **difference though the , the lion of God ..was more on HAQ yet **one Ajjar **of muavia(ra) would not go anywhere....

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Ali (ra) openly said in his book **Nehjul Balagha **that syrians are momins..we have one god..one prophet(pbuh) but we have a different opinions....

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He never used any abusive language against muavia(ra) and syrians...even not aginst zubair(ra) ..talha(ra) and aysha(ra) as he wept on the deth of zubair and talha(ra) but you people never follow your greatest imaam and yet you say that we are lovers of ali(ra) .......

[nstar777]

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@dawa_i_dil

If he really hate ali(ra) would sons of ali(ra) used to visit every year to ameer muavia(ra) and he had gifted them with heavy prizes...infact a very close relative of hassa and hussain(ra) was yazeed wife.. i forgot the name and relationship....

I also read somewhere that the mother of Hazrat Ali Akbar son of Hazrat Imam Hussain(a.s.) was yazeed's cousin. So they had all these relations going back and forth between banu hashim and banu ummaya.

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You have quoted the hadees from ahle-Sunnah sources but forgot about Nahjul Balagha in which Sermon no. **127 **says...

Two kinds of people will be ruined due to me..one who hates me a lot and second who "LOVES" me a lot.....(ali)

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@nstar777

I also read somewhere that the mother of Hazrat Ali Akbar son of Hazrat Imam Hussain(a.s.) was yazeed's cousin. So they had all these relations going back and forth between banu hashim and banu ummaya.

Yes brother ..you are right ... they have very close relationships and various marriage relations......

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So if such a close relationships of marriages were between two ..how can we assume that muavia(ra) hated ali(ra) ..this simply illogical and ridiculous....

[MAKRANI]

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Please check out Sahih Muslim

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html
Book 031, Number 5924:

Sahl b. Sa’d reported that a person from the offspring of Marwan was appointed as the governor of Medina. He called Sahl b. Sa’d and ordered him to abuse All Sahl refused to do that. He (the governor) said to him: If you do not agree to it (at least) say: May Allah curse Abu Turab. Sahl said: There was no name dearer to All than Abu Turab (for it was given to him by the Holy Prophet himself) and he felt delighted when he was called by this name.

Any doubt?

[Sheraz_CT]

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@MAKRANI

Please check out Sahih Muslim

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html
Book 031, Number 5924:

Sahl b. Sa’d reported that a person from the offspring of Marwan was appointed as the governor of Medina. He called Sahl b. Sa’d and ordered him to abuse All Sahl refused to do that. He (the governor) said to him: If you do not agree to it (at least) say: May Allah curse Abu Turab. Sahl said: There was no name dearer to All than Abu Turab (for it was given to him by the Holy Prophet himself) and he felt delighted when he was called by this name.

Any doubt?

these people are blind my friend

[nstar777]

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@MAKRANI

Please check out Sahih Muslim

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html
Book 031, Number 5924:

Sahl b. Sa’d reported that a person from the offspring of Marwan was appointed as the governor of Medina. He called Sahl b. Sa’d and ordered him to abuse All Sahl refused to do that. He (the governor) said to him: If you do not agree to it (at least) say: May Allah curse Abu Turab. Sahl said: There was no name dearer to All than Abu Turab (for it was given to him by the Holy Prophet himself) and he felt delighted when he was called by this name.

Any doubt?

No doubt at all and I agree

[khanbabax]

Re: Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a and the Romans

@MAKRANI

Please check out Sahih Muslim

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html
Book 031, Number 5924:

Sahl b. Sa’d reported that a person from the offspring of Marwan was appointed as the governor of Medina. He called Sahl b. Sa’d and ordered him to abuse All Sahl refused to do that. He (the governor) said to him: If you do not agree to it (at least) say: May Allah curse Abu Turab. Sahl said: There was no name dearer to All than Abu Turab (for it was given to him by the Holy Prophet himself) and he felt delighted when he was called by this name.

Any doubt?

L0L, what does it have to do with HAZRAT Muawiya r.a.? Now you have run of out material to copy paste?
2nd Marwan was not a Sahabi.

[MAKRANI]

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once again from sahih muslim, as posted by sheraz earlier.

Book 031, Number 5915:

This hadith has been narrated. on the authority of Shu'ba with the same chain of transmitters. Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyin appointed Sa'd as the Governor and said: What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said about him that I would not abuse him.

[khanbabax]

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^^
How many times are you guys going to copy paste this hadees, I have answered it 100 times L0L.

[Spock]

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dawa, u'll hit 10K in days!

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@khanbabax

^^
How many times are you guys going to copy paste this hadees, I have answered it 100 times L0L.

No brother…i think you have answred this 200 times but yet they again copy paste it…as no other proofs are available to degrade the great companions of prophet(pbuh) …