Re: Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a and the Romans
other things apart, i want to discuss one issue of katib-e-wahee. One of them became apostate and went to join meccans. I am forgetting his name but there was one to my knowledge.
In any case, being katib or etc is no criteria for comparison. For Allah there is only one comparison and that is Taqwaa. I am sure we all can see that who was a mutaqee and who was a "world lover".
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Brother... I will again say do not compare 4 caliphs with ameera-i-muavia(ra) as all fingers are not equal..he was far less in virtues and merits than 4 caliphs and other sahabas but it never ever mean that he did nothing...he was one of the bravest military commander *of Syrian front who took a decisive conquest at various battles like Hams and area of Jordan etc... and there is a hadees of prophet(pbuh) that on **2 eyes the jahaannam **is haram ..the one who wept as a single drop comes out and second that awake for a single night in jihad ...so he spent his life in many battles...he was the conqurer of **Cyprus *....he was the first who developed naval army...and there are countless ahadeeson virtes of jIhad as you now better than me....point is he was a human ..and by human nature..there is tendency of faults and mistakes nd sins also....so his also happened to muavia(ra) ...thats why allah Almighty has created a system of **Al-Meezan ...means Tarazoo...that is the bad deeds on one side and good deeds on other sides ..and the mostwill develop the result.....so we should respect all sahabas as thier status is so **high **that we cannot even think of it as in hadees is the best people arein my period ..then after me ..then a time come when lies become common...so they were the **best **people yes..if some mistakes done by them...there are also tons of good deeds ...so let Allah be the only Judge ...thats i think so.....
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The Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said: It is obligatory *upon a Muslim that he should listen (to the ruler) and obey whether he **likes it or not **except when he is ordered to do a sinful thing, in such case there is no obligation to listen or to obey. *{Agreed Upon Hadith}.
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Brother ..have you ever noticed ...... what was it about Mu'awiya **which made his rule so successful to such an extent that the famous historian, **adh-Dhahabi, points out that after al-Hasan **had surrendered his claim to the khalifate, "Mu'awiya reigned **without a rival, and without losing any of the conquests of Islam. Neither *'Abdu'l-Malik, nor al-Mansur, nor Harun ar-Rashid earned this praise, unique in the annals of Islam"? *
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Now you know the reason why umar picked up this jem **out of hundreds to place him at a province which is linked with world second super power...the **Romans...
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Politics is **game of Chess **and every **Majjha Gamma **cannot stand up as a poltician as we see today in pakistan that every one is a politician......
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. He came to **Madina **and spoke to the people, saying,
"I desired **the way followed by **Abu Bakr and 'Umar, but I was unable **to follow it, and so I have followed a course with you which contains fortune and benefits **for you **despite some **bias, so be pleased with what comes to you from me even if it is little. When good is continuous, even if it is little, it enriches. *Discontent makes life grim." *
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He also said in a **khutba **which he delivered to the people,
"O people! By Allah, it is easier **to move the firm **mountains **than to follow **Abu Bakr and 'Umar **in their behaviour. But I have followed their way of conduct falling short of those before me, **but none after me will equal me in it."
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The role of Mu'awiya is interesting in modern terms *because the rule of Mu'awiya and his immediate successors involves bringing disparate elements into a **single unity *- as there were really **three **power bases for a time: Syria and **the Umayyads, Iraq where 'Ali **based himself, and the Hijaz as represented by **Ibn az-Zubayr..........
How did Mu'awiya manage to bring about a unity and prevent the fragmentation of the Umma into **three states**? Eventually the single unit **broke up again **under the Abbasids, and never again were the Muslims a single entity. During Mu'awiya's rule, **he had no rivals, a situation which was never to prevail again. Even the Ottomans, the most successful in later times, did not encompass the entire community of Muslims. **!!!!!!!!!!
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The fitna **itself was partially a **reaction **to the **centralisation **of power. As the provinces manifested a tendency towards **autonomy, 'Uthman tried to counter **this by appointing people who were loyal to him - who happened to be mostly from his family. Perhaps if 'Uthman had been of a less mild disposition, he might have succeeded. Of course, this raises the question: is it inevitable that such a large political unit will break up into smaller autonomous or semi-autonomous unit? Are 'nations' inevitable? **Can this only be countered by an imperial form - which is not the original form of governance? What happens when the centre will not hold ????
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Brother ust look at the **Political Essence **of this **unique **man of islamic history.....
Looking at the course followed by Mu'awiya to re-establish **the **centre, once peace was established, Mu'awiya reconciled **many of the Muslims who had been fighting each other by his **generosity **and **fairness, not to mention the intrinsic power of his position, and resumed the conquests **of Islam which had been **interrupted **by the fighting. **Even the most stubborn of opponents would often melt under his generosity and diplomacy...........
He also managed through **fine diplomacy **to balance out the **tribal rivalries** which later destroyed Umayyad rule. The importance of jihad cannot be understated because without the external struggle against the unbelievers, almost without fail the **struggle for power becomes internal. **
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When his friends expressed surprise at the vastness *of his gifts to his opponents, he said, *"a war costs infinitely more.".......
He said that he **preferred **to buy men than to cut off their heads, and he took the example of the Prophet, and the Book of Allah in this. This amounts to the Qur'anic category of **ta'lif al-qulub**, reconciling hearts (see Qur'an 9:60). This is gaining hearts rather than closing mouths, and it was a technique which was quite effective with the **unruly Bedouins**...............
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Oh, yeah, its was just one LITTLE wrong decision that has had consequences affecting millions and millions of muslims throughout history negatively. I mean, you can’t blame the guy for a small mistake like converting leadership into a hereditary privelege.
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And you may be surprized to know hassan and hussain(ra) almost every year went to syria to meet muavia(ra) and returned with **heavy prizes **and gifts..as a respected member of ahle-bait ......if something was wrong with his rule ...then hassan and hussain(ra) should no go there or oppose his rule but they never did this......
Re: Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a and the Romans
well why wouldn't they go ? If someone was givingyou heavy prizes and gifts wouldn't you go visit them?
And I wonder if the Prophet would have been the one to be giving or receiving heavy prizes and gifts...?
Which then makes you wonder about how wonderful this ahl-e-bait really was.
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Sorry sis…you are totally wrong…the consequences which are affecting millions of muslims were not started when muavia(ra) was starting a family succession..they had already happened when holy blood of usman(ra) tricklig down to the pages of quran and his shirt…
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Because the hassan and hussain(ra) were the pioust of all the people living there...so if they consider muavia(ra) cruel and zaalim..then what makes sense of recieving prizes from a haram money...but they recieved it with full contentment of heart...so thats why we cannot expect from grandsons that they would had not stood against falsehood
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Mu'awiya asked 'Amr b. al-'As, "How great is your cunning?" He replied, "I have never entered into anything but that I got out of it." Mu'awiya said, "And I have never entered into anything that I wanted to get out of!"
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As regards his hilm, or his forbearance, the quality of resorting to force only when absolutely necessary, Mu'awiya is known for his famous saying,......
**"I do not apply my sword where my lash suffices, nor my lash where my tongue is enough. And even if there be one hair binding me to my fellow men, I do not let it break. When they pull, I loosen, and if they loosen, I pull." **
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Mu'awiya was welcoming to his subjects at every hour **of the day, including mealtimes. He created the first **postal system **and put it at the disposition of his subjects to use. He was known for his **impartiality **and **justice, even where his **family **was concerned........
He did not make 'Uthman's mistake of putting his relatives into the **limelight** to the exclusion of others. He would often give judgement against the Umayyads in **favour **of the **Hashimites**, especially if it involved **Hasan ibn 'Ali whom he was always eager to honour**. He once imposed **100 lashes to 'Abdu'r-Rahman ibn al-Hakam**, the brother of the governor, **Marwan**, and **confiscated **his property. He would have an incorrect punishment publicly rescinded on the minbar, no matter who had issued it.