Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a and the Romans

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1.Hadhrat Ameer Muawiya (Radhiallaahu anhu) is also included in all the Qur'anic verses which illustrate the virtue of the Sahabe Karaam.
2. He is also included in all the statements of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) concerning the Sahaba.
3. He was among those fortunate ones who wrote the Qur'an Kareem with their own hands.
4. He was at the fortunate group who participated in Jihaad by the side of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
5. He was of those propitious person Ali ( Radhiallahu anhu )ties he heard the Qur'an from the blessed tongue of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
6. He was also amongst those who enjoyed the good fortune of performing salaat behind Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
7. He was of those who directly narrated the words of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
8. He had the great fortune of actually seeing Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
9. Of those people before when Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) ate food was Hadhrat Ameer Muawiya (Radhiallaahu anhu).
10. He was one to see Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) walking before him (i. e. in the flesh).
11. Hadhrat Jibraeel conveyed Salaams to him (Al Bidaya wan Nihaya).
12 Hadhrat Jibraeel advised that Hadhrat Muawiya (Radhiallaahu anhu) be treated well (Al Bidaya wan Nihaya).
13. Allaah had declared him trustworthy
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Prominent Ulema of Ahl'ul Sunnah have not counted Mu'awiya as writer of the revelation

One wonders to what extent Mu'awiya was the writer of the revelation, after all he embraced Islam following the conquest of Mecca, so the vast bulk of the revelation had already been revealed. In fact many classical Sunni scholars whilst listing those individuals honored as writer of the revelation did not count Mu'awiya. For evidence see the following texts:

Fathul Bari page 450 Volume 2
Irshad Saneed Volume 9 page 22
Umdhathul Qari Volume 9 page 307
Nasa al Kafiya page 170

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Hazrat Ali r. clearly said in Nahjul Balagha:
“In the beginning of our matter, the people of Syria [Muawiyyah’s forces] and us met. It is obvious that our God is one, our Prophet is one, and our call in Islam is one. We do not see ourselves more in faith in Allah or more in believing His messenger than them, nor they do. Our matter is one, except for our disagreement in Uthman’s blood, and we are innocent from his murder.” [Nahjul Balagha, vol.3, p.648]

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Battle of Siffin

  • Introduction
    Many people believe that the Battle of Siffin–in which Ali (رضّى الله عنه) faced off with Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه)–was the point at which the Sunni-Shia split solidified. At this point, many people will take the simplistic point of view that Ali represented the Shia side, and Muawiyyah the Sunni side. However, this is not true. Both Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) were adherents of the same faith, of the mainstream Islam. There was, however, a third group which would form in the Battle of Siffin–the Khawaarij–who, via their relationship with the Saba’ites, were the ancestors of the modern day Shia movement. In fact, the Battle of Siffin was an important event in Islamic history to understand for this very reason as it raises many questions that the Shia cannot explain.

  • Reasons For Civil War
    Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) demanded that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) find and prosecute Uthman’s killers, because it was well known that the killers were from amongst the Shia’t Ali. Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) was a blood-relative of Uthman (رضّى الله عنه) and he was very upset that the murderers were not apprehended. Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه), then the governor of Syria, refused to recognize Ali (رضّى الله عنه), and he demanded the right to avenge Uthman’s death (رضّى الله عنه). In what was perhaps the most important battle fought between Muslims, Ali’s forces (رضّى الله عنه) met Muawiyyah’s (رضّى الله عنه) in the Battle of Siffin.

The Shia say that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) fought Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) for denying the Shia concept of the Imamah, and that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was the first Infallible Imam. And yet the Shia’s own books say that this was not what the Battle of Siffin had to do with, but rather it was purely political as opposed to religious. Ali (رضّى الله عنه) clearly said in Nahjul Balagha:“In the beginning of our matter, the people of Syria [Muawiyyah’s forces] and us met. It is obvious that our God is one, our Prophet is one, and our call in Islam is one. We do not see ourselves more in faith in Allah or more in believing His messenger than them, nor they do. Our matter is one, except for our disagreement in Uthman’s blood, and we are innocent from his murder.” [Nahjul Balagha, vol.3, p.648]

  • The Battle of Siffin So it was that the Shia’t Ali met the Shia’t Muawiyyah. Caliph Ali’s forces were decimating the forces of Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه). It would have been a decisive victory for Caliph Ali (رضّى الله عنه), but the Shia’t Muawiyyah used a rouse to fool the Shia’t Ali. Muawiyyah’s Syrians adorned the tips of their swords with pages from the Quran. This confused the Shia’t Ali, who did not want to bring harm to the Quran.

The Shia’t Ali stopped fighting due to this trick, and the Shia’t Muawiyyah asked for a cease-fire and to resolve the issue through arbitration. Caliph Ali (رضّى الله عنه), being the noble man that he was, agreed to vote (use Shurah) for who would be Caliph. This greatly upset a contingent of his ardent followers, the Saba’ites, who did not agree that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) should use arbitration. The Saba’ites had been convinced by Abdullah Ibn Saba that Allah had appointed Ali (رضّى الله عنه) as Caliph. So they accused Ali (رضّى الله عنه) of going against the Will of Allah by resorting to negotiation on the matter. How could there be negotiation on a matter that is decreed by Allah Almighty?
A portion of the Saba’ites defected and turned against Caliph Ali (رضّى الله عنه). They declared vociferously: “No rule but to Allah!” These defectors came to be known as the Khawaarij, which literally translates to “those who go out” or “those who secede.” For so long, these people had been the most ardent supporters of Ali (رضّى الله عنه), calling themselves the Shia’t Ali and the Lovers of Ahlel Bayt, but look now where their doctrinal innovation had taken them. They defected against the very man they had claimed to follow!

This event in Islamic history is one that the Shia of today cannot explain away. They try to hide it under a rug, since it shows the falsity of their beliefs. The Khawaarij, former Saba’ites, were of the same belief of the Ithna Ashari Shia today, namely that Allah had appointed Ali (رضّى الله عنه) to be Caliph. And yet, Ali (رضّى الله عنه) agreed to arbitration with Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه). The million-dollar question, asked of course by the Khawaarij: how could Ali (رضّى الله عنه) agree to arbitration if it was a matter decreed by Allah?

How could Ali (رضّى الله عنه) agree to negotiation on this matter if Allah Himself had chosen Ali (رضّى الله عنه) to be this supposed “Infallible Imam”? Would Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) agree to arbitration and negotiation on the matter of his Prophethood? So why would Ali (رضّى الله عنه) arbitrate and negotiate on the matter of his Imamah? In matters decreed by Allah, there can be no negotiation! For example, we cannot negotiate on the matter of eating pork or Salat, since these matters are already decreed by Allah.

This event proves without a shadow of doubt that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was not divinely appointed by Allah nor by His Messenger, since he agreed to arbitration and agreed to Shurah (consultation) to decide who would be the Caliph. This proves that what the Ahlus Sunnah believes is correct: namely that Shurah is the way to elect a leader, much like how Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) was selected.

The Shia belief system is diammetrically opposed to the very Ali (رضّى الله عنه) they claim to follow, and soon will they also be faced against Ali (رضّى الله عنه), much like the Khawaarij [former Saba’ites] would turn against and face Ali (رضّى الله عنه); Ali (رضّى الله عنه) is he who denied all claims of divine appointment and of Infallible Imamah. Ali (رضّى الله عنه) denied this to the Saba’ites, the Khawaarij, and he will also deny this to the Shia of today, whose faces will be turned black on the Day of Judgement for their exaggeration and lies, where they will be grouped together with the people who defected against Ali (رضّى الله عنه), namely the Khawaarij. There is no plausible explanation that the Shia can give to the million-dollar question: why did Ali (رضّى الله عنه) agree to Shurah? It is indeed a slap to the face of the Shia faith.

]Ali (رضّى الله عنه) Murdered by Saba’ites*
In any case, the Khawaarij turned against Caliph Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and killed him. So it was that Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) became the fifth Caliph. The irony should not be lost that the Shia are the ones who killed Ali (رضّى الله عنه) allowing Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) to be the Caliph, and now look at the Shia today lamenting about Muawiyyah (رضّى الله عنه) stealing the Caliphate! There can be no denying that the Saba’ites and the Khawaarij are the fore-fathers of Shi’ism, since the Shia today hold the same opinion that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was divinely appointed and thus arbitration (i.e. with Abu Bakr or Muawiyyah) cannot be accepted.

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Hazrat Ali r. clearly said in Nahjul Balagha:“In the beginning of our matter, the people of Syria [Muawiyyah’s forces] and us met. It is obvious that our God is one, our Prophet is one, and our call in Islam is one. We do not see ourselves more in faith in Allah or more in believing His messenger than them, nor they do. Our matter is one, except for our disagreement in Uthman’s blood, and we are innocent from his murder.” [Nahjul Balagha, vol.3, p.648]

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Imam Ali (as) did not deem Mu'awiya to be a momin

Hafidh Sulayman bin Ibraheem al Hanafi in "Yanabi' al Mawaddah" page 190 Chapter 53 quotes "Nasr bin Muzahim who heard from Abu Ishaq Ihsani who states that after the "Tahkeem Incident" he read a manuscript in the possession of Said bin Abi Burdah. In it, it was written that when the people asked Hadhrath 'Ali whether or not his opponents were Momin he replied, with regards to Mu'awiya and his companions 'I do not regard them as Mu'min or Muslim, and I care little about what Mu'awiya thinks".

Other Sunni authorities have also recorded these words of Imam 'Ali (as):

al-Nasa'ih al-Kaafiyah page 199
Iqd al Fareed Volume 2 page 233
Al Bidaya Volume 7 page 259

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^^
I quoted from most authentic Shia book, but you reject that and quote from some un-known books.
I have checked some of your reference and those quotes doesnt even exist. Thats the case with almost all of Shia refercenes, they dont even exist, but Shia zakirs just mention those to fool their own public.

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Battle of Siffin
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Imam Ali (as) did not deem Mu'awiya to be a momin

Hafidh Sulayman bin Ibraheem al Hanafi in "Yanabi' al Mawaddah" page 190 Chapter 53 quotes "Nasr bin Muzahim who heard from Abu Ishaq Ihsani who states that after the "Tahkeem Incident" he read a manuscript in the possession of Said bin Abi Burdah. In it, it was written that when the people asked Hadhrath 'Ali whether or not his opponents were Momin he replied, with regards to Mu'awiya and his companions 'I do not regard them as Mu'min or Muslim, and I care little about what Mu'awiya thinks".

Other Sunni authorities have also recorded these words of Imam 'Ali (as):

al-Nasa'ih al-Kaafiyah page 199
Iqd al Fareed Volume 2 page 233
Al Bidaya Volume 7 page 259

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Rasulullah (s) cursed Mu'awiya, his brother and father

We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's Mukthul Husayn page 117 part 4:

"Imam Hasan reminded Mu'awiya of the occasion "when your father was riding a red camel you was in front of him and your brother Utbah was dragging the camel by its nose? On that occasion Rasulullah (s) cursed your father, brother and you"

Rasulullah's cursing of these three individuals on this specific occasion can also be located in Waq'at Sifeen Volume 8 page 185.

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al-Hasan al-Basri said:

Muawiyah had four flaws, and any one of them would have been a serious
offense:

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Abu Makhnaf narrates this story. Abu Makhnaf’s full name is Loot bin Yahaya Al-Azday Al-Koufay [Tareekh Al-Tabari, vol.3, p.232, and year of 51H].

Al-Thahabi and Ibn Hajar said about him: “Ekhbaray Talif” (This is a phrase for the Scholars of hadeeth. Ekhbaray is the person who narrates stories, and talif is the one who lies when he narrates stories) Meezan Al-E’tidal by Al-Thahabi, vol.3, p.419 #6992 and Lisan Al-Meezan by Ibn Hajar, vol.4, p.492]

Abu Hatim and others did not take him, and Al-Darqutnay said: “He is weak,” Ibn Mu’een said: “Not a trustworthy,” Marrah said: “He is nothing,” and Ibn Uday said: “A burned Shia!”) [Meezan Al-E’tidal, vol.3, p.419-420] and Al-Aqeelay accounted him as a weak [Al-Du’afa by Al-Aqeelay, vol.4, p.18-19 #1572].

Therefore, this story is false and hence is not an argument. **
**Like this everything you have posted is fabricated.

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We read in Ahl'ul Sunnah's Mukthul Husayn page 117 part 4:
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Another unknown book and fabrication. :D

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Enough of copy pasting from unkown books/ or fabricated stories told by liars?

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Very well said son of Muawiyah !! now it is hurting u ....

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***Prominent Ulema of Ahl'ul Sunnah have not counted Mu'awiya as writer of the revelation*
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Another fabrication.
Read this.

It is a firm thing that Mu’awiyah was among the writers of the revelation.

Muslim narrated in his Saheeh from Ibn Abbas that Abu Sufyan asked the Prophet peace be upon him for three things: (He (Abu Sufyan) said to the prophet: “O’ Prophet of Allah, give me three things.” The prophet said: “yes.” ... Abu Sufyan said: “Mu’awiyah, make him a writer (of the revelation) under your hands.” The prophet answered: “Alright.”)

[Muslim with explanation. Book of “Virtues of the Companions,” Chapter of “Virtues of Abu Sufyan,” vol.17, p.2501]

Ahmad narrated in his Musnad, and Muslim from Ibn Abbas who says: (Once I was a kid playing with other boys when I looked behind and I saw the prophet peace be upon him coming towards us. So I said: “The prophet did not come to anyone but to me.” So I went behind the door to hide. I did not feel until the prophet found me, grasped my neck, and pressed my shoulders gently. The prophet said: “Go and call Mu’awiyah for me.” And Mu’awiyah was his writer (of the revelation). So I went looking for Mu’awiyah and told him: “Go and answer the prophet of Allah peace be upon him because he needs you.”)

[Musnad Ahmed, vol.1, Musnad Ibn Abbas #2651, and Muslim with explanation, Book of “Al-Birr wa Al-Silah,” #2604] These two hadeeths prove that Mu’awiyah was one of the writers of the revelation.
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Yes I am hurt by your copy pasting fabricated and weak narratios. :halo:

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I knew you - chief u did enough copy pasting already ..

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And refuted all your copy pasted material. Now go search more fabricated stories on Shia websites.

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Allah says about the Sahabas.
"Allah is well pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gradens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. That is supreme success" (Quran: 9:100)

And when it is said unto them ( Kuffars ): Believe as these people (Sahabah (r.a) believe; they say:
Shall we believe as these foolish believes? Alert! they (Kuffars) are the foolish but they know not. **
**(Al-Baqrah)

PROPHET S.A.W said.
"Fear Allah in every matter concerning my Companions. Do not make them the targets (of your criticism) after me. Whoever loves them loves them out of love for me, and whoever hated them hates them out of hate for me. Whoever troubles them has troubled me and whoever troubles me has troubled Allah; and whoever troubles Allah, it is imminent that ALLAH *seize *him"
(Mishkat , Tirmidhi, 554.)

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good post khanbhai sahaba is like stars in our deen

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Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (SallAllaho Alaihe Wasallam):

My Sahabah (RadhiyAllaho Anhum) are like the stars, whom you may follow, will get the right path. (Mishkawt)

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Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah al Muhaddith Shah Waliyullah Dehlavi in his Hujjutul Balaghtha Volume 2 page 149 "Dhikr Khilafath" states:

*"To be a Khalifa one must satisfy the following six requirements, he must be *
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  1. wise
  2. mature
  3. Free
  4. a Man
  5. Brave
  6. Possess good ancestry **" On this issue of ancestry Shah states:

"The Khalifa should be such an individual that people recognise him on account of his good family, and not the opposite where the people would show him disrespect".

Mu'awiya the politician and khalifa dedicated 5 years of his life fighting the Imam of Guidance 'Ali ibne Abi Talib (as), he poisoned Imam Hasan (as), he introduced the ugly bidah of cursing Imam 'Ali (as) during the Friday Sermon. He murdered the supporters of 'Ali (as), introduced practices that contradicted the Qur'an and Sunnah, made his alcoholic son Yazeed Khalifa over the nation. Hinda's suckling and the combined Nikah may well have indeed created a great politician but, one of the signs of being illegitimate is hatred of Imam 'Ali (as) - and Mu'awiya through his actions confirmed the authenticity of this hadith.