Oh yes...i agree with you 100% ali(ra) **was matchless **at this period........Infact amr bin ala's(ra) wa not a greater sahabi in virtues and merits like zubair(ra) ...talha(ra) as they were **Sabiqoon-ul-awaloon **but when they fought with ali(ra) ...ali(ra) reminded them of the hadees that when prophet(pbuh) said one day you people will fight with ali(ra) and ali(ra) was on Haq that day...... so ali(ra) was on haq also in Jamal..when his opponents were two greatest and **Ashara Mubasshara **sahabis ...so at this moment of amr bin aala's(ra) .....he was **MORE **on haq.....
He killed all those **after **hussain(ra) ,for due to his innocent blood…almost all provinces rose against him and nobody was agreed to obey him…the people of medina did this and **Harra **took place …similarly then after he attacked makkah as the people of makkah also started disobeying him …so these killings were pure responsibilty of yazeed as he ordered this …in a depression …he was so out of control that he ordered to attack these 2 holy cities and latter on he died early because of these depressions of attacking these 2 cities and bad health…as everthing was against him … he died in a helpless situation…
Thats why he was shocked for a moment when he heard the news of killing of hussain(ra) …as he saw all this happening in future as it happened at harra and makkah…thats why he abused ibne ziad and his men of killing hussain(ra) …thats why he fully respected the ahle-bait(all are just folks that he disrespected them )…to overcome this sin …but it not worked. at all !!!
so i believe we are on the same grid. I would rather avoid giving any comment which would be personal on any sahabee, come what may. But my only request to sunni brethern that don't become like shias, making someone more important than he is and demeaning others in the animosity.
I am sorry but can you elaborate. Killed whom? Ibn-e-ziyad, shamr-zil-joshan, etc etc. They were all killed by obaid saqaffee, that too not in retaliation but as a political gimmick to take sympathies of common muslims.
It is not for the purpose of abusing or cursing him, but exposing his evil
He was a hoarder of public wealth
He established his clan in all important positions of power (tribalism)
He stole from the public treasury at the expense of the poor
He caused oppression of those who chastised him for the above
Among those, was the esteemed companion Abuzar(ra) whose death he caused
He was a hypocrite vying for power, which is why he refused to protect Usman bin Affan
After the death of the 3rd Caliph (whom he had merely used) he strived to grab Khilafah
He was a hypocrite because he refused to protect 3rd caliph, then pretended to avenge him
He refused to give Bayah to the 4th Caliph, Imam Ali (as) who the muslims agreed as the only viable option
In his corruption, he refused to leave the office of governer from which the 4th Caliph sacked him
He supported and instigated rebellion against the Islamic Khilafat of Imam Ali (as)
He stoked fitna and invited other opportunistic rebels like Amr bin Aas to plot against the Islamic Khilafah
Together Muawiyah and Amr bin Aas orchestrated military campaigns against lands protected by the Islamic Khilafah
As such, they attacked the Muslim Nation, the Muslim people, and robbed them of their life, honor and livelihood
They attacked the governerates and governors of Imam Ali (as)
They assassinated Muhammad bin Abu-Bakr, Imam's governor for Egypt
They assassinated Malik-Ibn-Ashtar, another of Imam's governor's for Egypt
Muawiyah and his people were responsible for killing great companions like:
--- Hujr bin Adi (ra)
--- Abuzar Ghiffari (ra)
--- Ammar bin Yasir (ra)
--- Qambar (ra)
--- Maitham-e-Tammar (ra)
--- Muhammad bin Abu-Bakr (ra)
--- Malik-e-Ashtar (ra)
--- Hasan bin Ali (as)
--- and many many others.
He institutionalized the cursing of Imam Ali (as) in the mosques under his control
He assailed the character of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and spread lies against them
He created the machinery for fabricating hadith against Ahlul-Bayt and in support of himself and his tribe
He commanded a military rebellion against the just Islamic Khilafah led by Imam Ali, with devastating results
He and his people killed Ammar-e-Yasir, who the prophet(sawa) said would be killed by dhalimeen
He used evil traits of bribery and threats to sow sedition within the 5th Khilafah (of Imam Hasan (as))
He used propaganda machinery and bribes to buy out the commanders of the 5th Caliph's Army
He used the syrian public tresury to campaign against the 4th and 5th Islamic Caliphates
He forced the abdication of the 5th Caliphate, albeit on an agreement that bound him to strict terms
He broke the terms of the agreement with the 5th Caliphate including:
--- breaking the agreement to cease the institutionalized cursing of Imam Ali (as)
--- breaking the agreement to stop attacking the lives, property and honor of supporters of Imam Ali (as)
--- breaking the agreement to return the Khilafah to Ahlul-Bayt (as) after his death
He orchestrated the poisining, leading to death, of Imam Hasan bin Ali (as)
He forced upon the muslims the caliphate of his evil son Yazid, to rule after himself
and we all know what yazid did - the killing and oppresion of prophet's family]
I more or less agree to you zaid though we are sitting on different ends of the spectrum.
I think that sunnies also come at those shia(not about you specifically) who try to demean the first three caliphs. Once i grew up, i used to think that wahabees and sunnies are on two ends of extremism and sunnies are the moderate class, now i found that it is not the case. All can be extremist and all can be not.
Yes ...i agree with you...we should not pass any personal comments to sahabas.....infact many scholars believe that Muavia(ra) had a ijtihadi mistake as fighting with ali(ra) as he only wanted killers of usman(ra) but killers were not known by ali(ra) that who are the people exactly killed usman(ra) as they were escaped from medina after killing.....and all those people who came to kill usman(ra) started saying that we all are killers of usman(ra) ........so ali(ra) was helpless to find the exact killers.....
Furthermore...there were many sabai ...or jews as more appropriate...who keep on flowing misconceptions between ali(ra) and muavia(ra)...sabai were present in damasqus also and when muavia(ra) opened the chopped fingers of naila(ra) and blood filled shirt of usman(ra) ...alongwith people also sabai were thier who start shouting revenge revenge ...and latter on worst the situation most... point is these jews always take the advantage of a small misconception and then worsen the situation....
It is written in Tabari that , i think , when Ibne saba came to damasqus in usman (ra) period to worse the situation between muavia(ra) and abuzar ghaffari(ra) ......he also came to abu durda(ra) to also trap him..abu durda(ra)asked ibne saba ...who are you... you seem to be a jew to me !!!!!!!
so these sabai also did thier best to divide the muslims....and succedded in it...yhat is why when hassan(ra) recognized all these tacts of sabai movement and traitors of kufis...he did a peace treaty with muavia(ra) ...although he was more deserved for it...but just for the sake of ummah ...he broke the plan of sabai and accepted muavia(ra) as a caliph......hassan(ra) also keep on advising his father as in Tabari that O father ..had not i said that go from medina in the last days of usman(ra) so people would not blame you latter....had not i said to you that not accept a caliphate in this situation similar words were said by ibne abbas(ra) also as all people will not agree with you....but you not listened to me...this conversation took place after the jamal was started ......Ali(ra) said ...O my son...you are right...would that your father had dead 20 days before this day(battle of jamal)......so ali(ra) himself recognized the satanic plans of sabai and kufis to safe them from Qassas and let the ummah kep on fighting so no body will harm them.....
Brother zaid...most of your post is just exagerration ...because you already hate ameera-i-muavia(ra) that why he fighted with ali(ra) ...the same hatred is also shown by shias towards zubair(ra) ..talha(ra) and aysha(ra) as you people think that fighting against the imam is the worst sin of all as imam is sinless but we do not believe in this.....
SAhabas are not masooms ..so they also did mistakes and sins...as did by 3 great sahabas(2 of them were baadri) when they not went to tabuk...also did by hatib(ra) for sending news to makkah of prophet(pbuh) attack...etc etc...but they latter repented it so same is the case of other sahabas.....
Muavia(ra) had not a personl grudge with ali(ra)...it was mostly tribal conflict of ummayads and hashmis of more than a century that was the reason of most of incidents....
1.Hadhrat Ameer Muawiya (Radhiallaahu anhu) is also included in all the Qur'anic verses which illustrate the virtue of the Sahabe Karaam.
2. He is also included in all the statements of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) concerning the Sahaba.
3. He was among those fortunate ones who wrote the Qur'an Kareem with their own hands.
4. He was at the fortunate group who participated in Jihaad by the side of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
5. He was of those propitious person Ali ( Radhiallahu anhu )ties he heard the Qur'an from the blessed tongue of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
6. He was also amongst those who enjoyed the good fortune of performing salaat behind Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
7. He was of those who directly narrated the words of Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
8. He had the great fortune of actually seeing Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
9. Of those people before when Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) ate food was Hadhrat Ameer Muawiya (Radhiallaahu anhu).
10. He was one to see Nabi (Sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) walking before him (i. e. in the flesh).
11. Hadhrat Jibraeel conveyed Salaams to him (Al Bidaya wan Nihaya).
12 Hadhrat Jibraeel advised that Hadhrat Muawiya (Radhiallaahu anhu) be treated well (Al Bidaya wan Nihaya).
13. Allaah had declared him trustworthy
Sayyidna Ali Bin Abi Talib (RA) had once said after the Battle of Siffin : " Do not speak evil about Sayyidna Amir Muawiyah (RA) because if he were to die, our lives would become so insecure that you will see necks flying from the bodies everywhere."
Sayyidna Abdullah Bin Abbas (RA) once said: " Leave Sayyidna Amir Muawiyah (RA) alone because he is a person who has enjoyed the Companionship of the Holy Prophet (PBUH).
Once Sayyidna Amir Muawiyah (RA) received a letter from the Ceaser of Rome, it said: I know that your brother Sayyidna Ali Bin Abi Talib (RA) has caused you a lot of trouble so if you wish I will send a large Roman army to help you against him." In reply to this letter Sayyidna Amir Muawiyah (RA) wrote: " O Ceaser dont try to take advantage of the differences between me and Sayyidna Ali Bin Abi Talib (RA). I know that you want to fight the Muslims but beware if you send an army againg us, the first person to come out from the army of Sayyidna Ali Bin Abi Talib (RA) to behead you will be Muawiyah."
May Allah be pleased with him and all other Companions who are the pillars of Islam.
Its written in Tasfeer Ibn Kaseer that Ibn Kaseer saw a dream.
In that he saw Prophet s.a.w, the first our Caliphs r.a and Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a. and they were together.
There was a man coming towards Prophet s.a.w. When that man came near by, Hazrat Umer r.a, told Prophet s.a.w, this man curses the Companions.
Prophet s.a.w asked that man about this matter. The man replied, I only curse Hazrat Ameer Muawiya r.a.
At this Prophet s.a.w handed a sword to Hazrat Ameer Muawiya and told Him to strike that man with that sword. Hazrat Ameer Muawiya did so.
When Ibn Kaseer r.h woke up, he heard loud noise of crying from the neibghor-hood. When he went outside, he found out a man had died, and someone had struck him in the back. It was the same person he saw in his dream who used to curse Hazrat Muawiya r.a.
This is the punishment for cursing/hating the Sahabas even in this World..
Sayyidna Ali Bin Abi Talib (RA) had once said after the Battle of Siffin : " Do not speak evil about Sayyidna Amir Muawiyah (RA) because if he were to die, our lives would become so insecure that you will see necks flying from the bodies everywhere."
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so are you saying Ali was scared of death? Mashallah -- Bravest person in the history of Islam.
(There is no brave man except Ali and there is no sword which renders service except Zulfiqar) :)
so are you saying Ali was scared of death? Mashallah -- Bravest person in the history of Islam.
(There is no brave man except Ali and there is no sword which renders service
except Zulfiqar) :)
in the battle of Badr, Ali's sword did real wonders. According to Arab practice, three of the bravest warriors of the Quraish came out for single combat. Ali killed two of them (both of 'em was very close relative of Hind - Mother of Muawiyah). This struck terror in the heart of the enemy.
Muawiyah had four flaws, and any one of them would have been a serious
offense:
1. His appointment of trouble makers for this community so that he
stole its rule without consultation with its members, while there
was a remnant of the Companions and possessors of virtue among
them.
2. His appointment of his son as his successor after him, a drunkard
and a winebibber who wears silk and plays tunburs.
3. His claim about Ziyad (as his son), while the Messenger of God
(PBUH&HF) has said: 'The child belongs to the bed, and the
adulterer should be stoned.'
4. His killing of Hujr and his companions. Woe unto him twice for Hujr
and his companions.
Sunni references :
- History of al-Tabari, English version, The Events of Year 51 AH, v8, p154
- History of Ibn al-Athir, v3, p242
- al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v8, p130 who mentions the first
crime as: "His fighting Ali."
- History of Ibn Kathir, v3, p242
- Khilafat Mulukiyat, Syed Abul Ala Maududi, pp 165-166
