Hazrat Ali Dead? I dont think so!

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Desert Fox and others, shaheeds are indeed not dead in a sense. Ok. *Can you tell me please: *

**Where IN QURAN does Allah asks you to ask “shaheeds” for help?
Where IN QURAN does Allah say that you need a connection of shaheed or some imam with Allah, to ask help from him or to communicate with Allah?
Where IN QURAN does Allah asks you to go on to graves of Imams or Prophets and prostrate in front of their graves?
Where IN QURAN does it say that you can ask Ali for help and not Allah? **

Considering the matter, there were other sahabah who were also “shaheeds” i.e Omar, Abu- Bakr, Usman etc.

I have listed my references below, make sure you do give me answers to questions above with proof(s) from QURAN only!

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**You deny hadiths for some reason. At the same time you say that you ONLY believe in Quran, but your beliefs and practices completely contradict with Quran and its teachings. ** Here is an example: "Shias believe that the Imam is impeccable, that is, he can never go wrong, and that he knows about the future. Can anyone know about the future other than Almighty Allah?!! This belief of yours contradicts the following verse: "“He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make anyone acquainted with His Mysteries,”(Surah Al-Jinn(72) verse 26).

Another verse Allah says: *And you will not cause failure [to Allah] upon the earth or in the heaven.And you have not other than Allah any protector or any helper- Surah 29, verse 22. (29:22) *
Despite the fact that those verses are in quran, you still ask the Imaams for help, and make Imaams a connection to communicate with Allah. It clearly contradicts the teachings of Islam and Quran. It is wrong. And it is called denying the verses of Allah, which is kufr!

I am sure you will say “we do not do that”(i.e worshiping graves and asking Ali for help other than allah, considering Ali a connection between you and Allah, etc.) There is a practice in your religion(shiaism) you know what it is called? Its “taqiyyah”. You often practice that.

PS: Just for the sake of unity and self-respect, I do not want to start any “never-ending” debate between “blind-falseness” and truth and light of Quran and Sunnah. It is better, if you do not start these things with my name in your posts. It is better for you, it is better for your faith and it is better for “some” tolerance that we have here for each other. Please. One more thing, DO NOT label me with some sect’s name or any stupid stuff like that, those things only suit you. You maybe a “proud shia” I consider my self a “Proud Muslim,” there is a big difference. Good Luck and Take it easy sir.

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

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Astaghfirullah e Rabbi min kullay zambivn va atobo elahy.

Your response tells a lot. With your last statement along with all the previous ones, I will leave it in the court of Allah SWT for Him to decide who is ignorant and who isn't.

However, the way you have cursed the nobilities of Islam and those ranking the top, most closest companions of Prophet SAW like Hazrat Umer (PBUH), Hazrat Abu Bakr (PBUH), and Hazrat Usman (PBUH), who were not only the Prophet SAW's followers but also had personal relationships with him, even non muslims don't abuse their religious figures like that. I am stunned and ashamed at such derogatory remarks, towards folks who are like fathers and mothers to the Muslim Ummah. Had you really cared for the welfare of Islam and the integrity, you would have thought twice before saying what you did.
Never have been more digusted in my life.

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what are you talking about degas? have you gone nuts kiddo?

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Dear Shair,

You are raising dust againt the beloved people (Sahabas) of Allah (SWT) and Mohammaed(PBUH). I don't know where you got these stories that they ran away from wars. But we don't need to argue on that matter, since they have lived their lives, and Inshallah, they all surely be in the Paradise. What we need to do is to look into our daman, not theirs. We need to see what we have done in our lives... And don't speak the words that you might regret on the Day of Judgement. Because every muslim believe that Hazrat (Abu Bakr, Umer, Usman & Ali and all the other Sahabas) are the most valueable people in the history of Islam.

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rare and diamonds,
good luck to hell. see ya

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abubakr umer, usman, muawia, yazid were themselves dust rather worse than dust. Goodluck to hell ya all. No further argument from me because I am happy to be with my faith. I curse the wrondoers and will keep doing that. You or nobody can stop me. The whole universe curse dushmanane ahlebait. Dushmanane ahlebait per laanat beshumar!

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Shair, why are you personally attacking RDG?
If you had a little bit of Muslim blood in you, you would think twice of talking like this to a Muslim lady. Come to your sense.

Answer my questions, bring your proofs if you are truthfull. Now call upon your imams who you ask for help, if you are truthful.

Gupshupers, I think I am losing my patience with these guys, hmmmmmm gotta go something.

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

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No one has been guaranteed a place in heaven. As muslim one only hopes for the best. No one can order Allah SWT, as to who will go to hell and who will head to heaven. If Allah SWT accepts your dua, I will consider myself the happiest of all humans who have ever breathed, to be in the same place as Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman, Hazrat Ayehsa. (Peace be upon them). And I will keep in mind that you have not answered any of my questions. And for "someone" who has been claiming intellectuality and manners had made this post nothing but mudslinging on his part. Bear witness fellow Muslimeens and keep that in mind.

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shair30,

Good luck to you.

Rare,
I completely agree with your comments. I am very pleased to know that you are very sensible and knowledgeable. But It is useless to speak to Shair. It is better if you ignore his posts or comments.
May Allah guide us all.

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blah blah blah lol

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Shair, you are one opinionated mushrik. Stop being so erratic and start to show some Muslim in you if you got it. By the way you are talking it seems as if a 3 year old is traped in 20 year olds buddy. Grow up buddy. Take it easy sir.

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watcher and family,
brother sister kartey kartey marjao gay. jahannum raseed ho jao gay. tumharey mullaon ney munaffiqat key alawa bhee kuch sikhaya hay tumhey. it is a common munaffiqana sentence of watcher and others like him:

"oh it is juma prayer time, oh i have to go brother, oh sister, oh brother, oh i pray so much brother, blah blah blah. This is open munaffiqat. "

Your views are nothing else but the same munafiqat that yazid, muawiya, omar, usman, marwan did. you are folowing the same munafiqat and creating hell. good luck.

arz kiya hay:
umer kee dadee
uchak key paadee
umer bola
yeh kiya dadee
dadee boli
beta yeh hay
teree khilafat kee mubarak badee.

adaab

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**Khuda es ka paass hai
ye dondta jungle main

Bacha bagle main
dondoraa shehar main**

May Allah guide you Shair. Ameen.

My personal dua for you: May Allah put you in the lowest debths of hell fire. AMEEN.
TRY TO GROW UP A little.

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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buhut jaldee lagtee hey tumharee watcher. do this, keep praying (rather cursing ), and we'll see who ends up where. lol

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[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
****Khuda es ka paass hai
ye dondta jungle main

Bacha bagle main
dondoraa shehar main**

May Allah guide you Shair. Ameen.

My personal dua for you: May Allah put you in the lowest debths of hell fire. AMEEN.
TRY TO GROW UP A little.

**
[/quote]

READ ABOVE!

Shair, You are one devient piece of your own crap/crop.

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

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Can anyone who believe that Hazrat Ali (RA) is alive and we should intercede with Allah (SWT) through him would answer my question?

My question is why not intercede with Allah through Hazrat Usman (RA) and Hazrat Umar (RA) or why not the 12 year old boy who got shahadat in Palestine recently. Shall we make a mazaar of this boy and start asking allah (SWT) through him.

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Shair; I am proud of your parents who provided you such nurturing, background and education. Indeed a Filthy personality you carry.

PS: YOUR ANSWERS ARE STILL PENDING, PLEASE ANSWER THEM BEFORE YOU LEAVE, OR TRANSFORM TO ANOTHER NICK.

May Allah bless you.

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hazrat usman and hazrat umar themselves asked for help from Imam Ali (a.s).

“Agar Ali no hotey to mein halak ho jata”, said Umar.

How can you compare Umar and Imam Ali (a.s). It is just like comparing rotten smelly wood(omar) with zolfiqar (Ali).

Zolfiqar=sharp sword.

Wait for the time, and this zulfiqare haideri will show its miracles again by the grace of Allah when Imame Zamana will reappear. You better watch out.

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waqte nizah laboon pe raha ya ali madad
phir qabr mein bhee keh ke utha ya ali madad
shaukat meree lahad mein wo manzar ajeeb tha
jab meney khud ali say kaha ya ali madad!

naraehaideri!
ya ali!

narae safdarai!
ya ali!

shaireahlebait!