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Originally posted by Rarediamonds & Gold:
**Shair30 Bhai sahab, aik to main qatun yell naheen kar rahi. Mairay sawalat aisay hain jin ka aap kay paas koi jawab naheen hai aur aap ko aisa lag raha hai, apni androoni feelings say kay main yell kar rahi hoon. Mairay sawalat chubhti hoi nauiyat kay naheen hain. Aap hi kay post parh kar in sawalat nay mairay zehen main janum liya hai.
Main to simple sawalat gosh guzar kar rahi hoon, bara e meherbani mandarja zail sawalatat kay jawabat mauiddbana aur shareefana andaz main tehzeeb kay dairay main rehtay hoay merhamat farmaiyay
1. Proof kijiyay kay Hazrat Ali (PBUH) shaheed thay.
2. Proof kijiyay kay Hazrat Umer aur Hazrat Usman (PBUT) shaheed naheen thay, halankay tenoon ka andaz duniya say rukhsat honay ka aik he jaisa tha. Kuch bad bakhtoon kay haathoon poori muslim Ummah ki rayay kay mutabiq woh shaheed kiyay gayay.
3. Proof kijiyay kay Allah SWT ko kisi madadgaar ki ya kisi ki sifarish ki zuroorat hai, apnay bandoon ki dua'ain qubool karnay kay liyay.
4. Aap kay khayal main is baat ki kiya wajoohat ho sakti hain kay sirf Hazrat Ali (PBUH) hi ko madad kay liyay pookara jai? Why not the Prophet SAW?
Apnay jawabat par bharpoor roshni daliyay aur Quran ka hawala zuroor dijiyay. Aap ka yahan par sukoot bilkul munasib naheen hai, kiyun kay yeh is baat ki akasi karta hai kay aap kay paas mandarja bala sawalat ka koi jawab naheen hai. Aik baar phir talqeen ki jati hai kay aap apnay jawabat muhazab andaz main raqam farmaiyay, aur bara e meherbani nazaiba alfaaz kay chunao say guraiz kijiyay.**
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Shair, I will appreciate your opinion on the points noted above.
regarding the silly questions asked by rare and carbon,
#1) hazrat Ali got martyred by Ibne muljim, its a known fact mentioned in all ahadith book (both sunni and shia). Nobody needs to prove it, its an open fact of history.
#2) Everybody knows that Umar, Abu Bakr, Usman and others were not martyred. Again nobody needs to prove it.
#3)I have given proofs on this issue in another thread rare and carbon, you can check it there.
#4)We do ask for help from Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w) because he our dear Prophet and habib of Allah. Ya rasool Allah madad!
La hawla wala quwata illah billahil aleeyul azeem!
Alright enough is enough. You are all entitled to your own beliefs, just keep in mind SO is everyone else. You can argue for the sake debate, but I'm not going to tolerate anyone showing disrespect towards any other religion, religious figure or fellow member. So shair30 here's your warning, and it goes for Everyone.