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As much as I hate to admit, its a men's society and just like a homo celebrity man is more tolerable in our society than if we had a lesbian celebrity - a guy raising his out of wedlock child would be accepted/rejected at a milder level than a woman in a similar situation
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gays having babies outside marriage? what?
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^ roza bohut lug rahaa hai kya?
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And when you created such a thread, I think your question was sufficiently answered. It’s easy to accuse the woman of being moody/premenstural/btchy…but it takes a lot more courage for one to look at the frequency (and frequency was an important and very valid point brought up in that thread of yours) of one’s own obnoxious behavior. 
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^ :mirch:
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Good think youre drinking pani…shabash. Akhir mainay gaali to nahin di thi na. 
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what about the Muslims married to non-muslims via civil marriages .... arent they having kids outside of a marriage ( Islamically speaking)?
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because the sperm in not her husbands.
donor sperm is not allowed in Islam either.
I didnt know that
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having baby outside of marriage has additional disadvantage over being gay i.e to carry proof of crime for the rest of the life that makes it even more unacceptable.
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Good think youre drinking pani...shabash. Akhir mainay gaali to nahin di thi na. :)
i am not drinking..i am throwing it over you to cool you down...:)
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having baby outside of marriage has additional disadvantage over being gay i.e to carry proof of crime for the rest of the life that makes it even more unacceptable.
It is not the kid's fault hence he/she cant be a proof of any crime .. c'mon that's crude
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i am not drinking..i am throwing it over you to cool you down...:)
Alright, GnomeiCA....you can use that paani-throwing emoticon as a replacement for when you're at a loss for a comeback. It's convenient :p.
No more derailing a thread...especially one started by a mod.
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^why would i have a ‘comeback’ at you?? 
…did u just have a go at me…???
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times are changing ..what seemed a taboo a decade ago is considered a norm these days .. from having friends of opposite gender to having boyfriend/girlfriend to promotion of valentine's day and dance parties ... (am talking about either in Pakistan or within a Muslim community)
so it wouldnt be long before we actually see having babies out of wedlock ! as far as the issue of homosexuality is concerned ..people are doing their utmost to make it seem acceptable ..lately i have seen MANY blogs from reputed pakistani newspapers either in favour of homosexuality or the writers themselves are gays ! begum nawazish ali obviously is a prime example too ! and all of this if becomes prevelant it would lead to a real miserable society with rotten family lives :/
when something wrong is shown repeatedly our hearts and minds get immune to it and we start accepting it ! all Qayamat ki nishani !
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And what about IVF wherein the egg is fertilized outside the body and then placed back inside the female...is that unacceptable too?
Its allowed .. I have seen many women in Pakistan going through this process. There is no reason for it to be disallowed.
Secondly, I read some asking why adoption is not allowed in Islam. As far as I have heard. it is not liked in religion but adoption can be undertaken. The reason is that people sometimes do not do 'adal' or 'insaf' with the kid. And if the couple has their own kids then it is very rare that a woman would give equal love to her adopted child. In that case, any mistreatment will be a gunah. It is not possible in my opinion, to love someone else's child as your own (In the presence of your own kids). However, exceptions do exist.So adoption can be done if you think you will be able to treat the child fair.
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I'm curious about that as well. I've heard some people (the Islamic Studies teacher) at my school say it's not allowed. But I always thought that adoption is allowed, however the adopted child does not receive your last name nor inheritence. I thought that Prophet SAWS had an adopted son.
Yes! Prophet SAW has adopted his freed slave Zaid Bin Harisah, but according to islam adopted child would not get share in the inheritance.
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Its allowed .. I have seen many women in Pakistan going through this process. There is no reason for it to be disallowed.
ermm........it is allowed if a husband/wife are undergoing fertility treatment..........not under what she was proposing...
is it necessary she had physical relations outside of marriage what if she was one of those girls who had a difficult time finding a suitable rishta and decided to go the IVF route or the adoption route to at least have a baby?
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ermm........it is allowed if a husband/wife are undergoing fertility treatment..........not under what she was proposing...
yes to that.
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ermm........it is allowed if a husband/wife are undergoing fertility treatment..........not under what she was proposing...
Yes only if husband and wide are undergoing the treatment..this is what I meant :)