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I don’t either. We agree! I wasn’t talking about Rayhana. There are two others whose names I can’t recall. I will have to Google them.
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Regardless of what I know or not, one doesn’t need to have expert level knowledge about anything to know what’s moral and what it is not. If I don’t agree with an ideology, I won’t adopt it. Morality itself is subjective. Religions simply don’t seem moral enough for today’s standards and that’s my opinion. I don’t need religion to know that slavery is wrong. I don’t need religion to know God, period. The concept of a higher power existed well before religions. I tackle religion/theology like any other subject. I look at it from unbiased perspective, which is why it seems to you that I have very basic information about Islam. I know more than I reveal. I just don’t dive deep into it anymore because of my history on GS. 
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Stuff 2 years ago isn’t moral by today’s standard. And in 25 years what we do today won’t be considered moral. Morality is constantly evolving and viewing history through such a skewed lens will only mean nothing is acceptable.
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Thats completely ok.
It would just save us/me time to know you were never a muslim. So next time we reply we can be more objective about it, rather then making assumption and answering in way which you are not familiar with.
Thanks.
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Nope. Information is inconsistent when you compare different sources. That’s the problem. Why should one source be treated like Wiki and the other like the Vatican archives? What’s the point of getting information if you are going to remain biased? But that is exactly what it is! People use sources that confirm their beliefs, anything else is rejected on the basis of being false or fabricated.
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Exactly, bruh! Get on with the times!
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And what are the authentic sources?
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But then nothing is truly moral is it?
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I don’t take recorded history records as authentic because it’s written by people with agendas. Every recorded historical event has various versions. You seem to think I favor one over the other. I don’t. I DO NOT take everything at face value.
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As I said it before, morality is subjective. It changes depending on who you ask. Morality is indeed linked to time. Is anytime truly moral? Maybe but human history proves that our sense of morality has improved overtime. Why would I want to stay in a time period when the idea of morality was to be okay with slavery as long as you treat them nice when it is indeed more moral to have no human slaves and realize that all human lives are equally important. I am sure there will come a time when people will think of us as barbaric for eating meat. Are we barbaric? No, because we live in a time when it’s okay but that doesn’t mean our future generations should hold on to this idea when a better more moral one exists and can be easily adopted.
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You do realize your two statements are contradictory right? Every single piece of history is written by people. So none of it is authentic?
Secondly if you take everything at face value, how do you then not consider recorded history as authentic?
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LOL. I meant I DO NOT.. Some of it is probably authentic but you know what they say: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Just like you are innocent until proven guilty, a source is questionable unless it can be proven true by other means.
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I know Theorist, you are saying the same thing. Yes, Safya (RA), Jawairiya (RA), Mariya Quptia or Maria the Copt (RA). There is consensus among majority of the Muslim scholars that they were brought as slaves but were later married to the holy Prophet (SW). There is also a hadith saying that Hazrat Ayub Ansar (RA)i guarded the tent of Prophet Muhammad (SW) just in case she still had loyalties to her former tribe. The anti Islam websites presnt this in a negative way while the Islamic ones present this as how Hazrat Ayub Ansari (RA) was loyal to the Prophet (SW). Thing is it shows that women could be inclined to go back and have loyalties to their former tribes / homes etc. Also, when at a later battle Muhammad (SW) asked a Jewish tribe what of their war booty they wanted back, they only wanted back their women and children. The Holy Prophet (SW) left it up to the Muslims if they wanted to return them and and all did except one who had an old woman in possession and he too let her go at a later date. I am sure, these women could be held back if they wanted to be Muslim but they did not and their former families wanted them back too.
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And we get back to the my first question. The zen circle is complete. What are these other sources if you do not accept any source written by a human being?
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Well the thing is the sources which record the history of the prophet pbuh which are known as hadith were collected by people who themselves were known for their high moral character. Like Bukhari. And he only collected hadith from people who themselves also had a well known reputation of good character and honesty. The Prophet pbuh had 40 years of proof that he had good trustworthy character. So after he became a messenger even his enemies did not say he was ever dishonest or untrustworthy. He was well known as the “truthful” one by his own and other tribes. These sources have been scrutinised by scholars throughout the years and they come to the same conclusion. Anyways seeing as how Muslims believe that the Qur’an is the word of Allah and He Himself guarantees the perfect character of His messenger then that’s enough for the rest of us. If you can prove the Qur’an wrong then you could prove the Messenger pbuh wrong too.
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If no source written by a human is acceptable then logically a source written by a Higher Power should be proof. Theorist could try to prove Qur’an wrong. Cause billions of people see Quran as the word of God.
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And billions of people don’t, so I don’t see how that proves anything?
There are also millions of those who have renounced religion altogether, even in the muslim world, who will never dare to say it out loud, because of fear of being subjected to persecution and violence.
Also, most people remain in the religion they were born into, without questioning it, or without practicing it very strictly.
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Beatuifully put. Man evolves, as does his morals, and his struggle to define them anew. Which is precisely why holding on to the norms of the 7th century is never going to benefit a society in the 21st century. Look at what others are doing right, and try to emulate that. Look at what others are doing wrong, and do not try to emulate that.
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Ergo nothing is moral.
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Rather, morals aren’t timeless and might be subject to change, over time, depending on the conditions of man. Ergo, morals from the 7th century can generally not be inserted into societies in the 21st century, unless you want to create disturbance in said societies.