Have you ever questioned your belief?

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Because that would be illogical. It is not ego or insecurity. Wow… nevermind. -___-

RIP logic.

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This coming from someone that doesn’t believe any source that is written by a human being.

But do tell why it would be illogical. Explain to me why its logical to make linkages. Go on.

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Apart from religion, there are plenty of folks who either do not think logically or choose to ignore logic …and their doing so …doesn’t necessarily mean k that which they are ignoring/denying becomes “less” logical as a result.

All religions are not equal; some are more logical than others. There may be some matters that might be ambiguous, but if one looks at the main principles of Godhead and ibadat …then some religions are more logical than others. Those who believe in Islam find the main principles to be logical on their own and also in comparison to other religions…even though they may not have the depth of knowledge that the ulema have. So, they may not understand every single ruling in Islam, but they find its main principals of Godhead/ibadat/character/lifestyle to be both beneficial and sound. And to some extent even societal laws are based on values found in religions.

I wouldn’t set the condition that it must be accepted by everyone otherwise it’s just your truth…or your opinion. That argument can be made for everything. Pepsi is not a universal favorite so if I prefer it to coke, it’s just my opinion and not some universal truth even if blind-taste tests proved otherwise. You can replace the pepsi in the analogy with something else. This type of “reasoning” as in “If everybody ain’t doin’ it, then it ain’t true” can not only apply to other matters, it can go on and on and on and on. A person who uses this “reasoning”…woh kahin pe tikkay ga nahi. It’s like remaining in limbo waiting for the day that every single person submits to one religion. This is the the kind of “reasoning” used by one who doesn’t want to submit. Another analogy that comes to mind is of purchasing a car. Let’s say one has the money. They like a car. But wait…if everyone doesn’t like their car…that must mean that their car is not the “best” despite professional reports and surveys. So hence, they don’t buy the car. They are neither here nor there…kissi aik jagah woh tiktay nahi hain. But…usually…what happens is that a car is picked and bought. It requires a “leap of faith” in deciding to buy the car though it may not be approved…let alone driven by… by everyone else in the world. One’s decision requires a mix of using logic and taking a leap of faith. Belief in Islam is not ONLY about “having a leap of faith.” It’s a combination of logic and a leap of faith. So, Theorist, when you keep saying “I guess that’s faith” …keep in mind that you exercise both faith and logic in other scenarios apart from religion.

So if it’s “blind faith” you have an issue with…you’ve exercised blind faith or leap of faith at other points in your life…be it your relationships, career, various plans, etc etc. If it’s “100% submission to logic” that you’re looking for…then perhaps that means k you personally don’t want to believe/follow in any religion. ***You see…even those folks or philosophers who go out in search for the “truth”…even they do not set the condition of 100% global submission of a religion during their exploration of various faiths or during their search for the ultimate divine truth.

Islam is a universal religion; it is for all mankind. It is not confined to a race, you do not have to be born into it as is the case for some religions, there is no caste hierarchy. Islam is open to and was meant for everyone and that is what makes it a universal religion. Now if some folks don’t believe in it whether it’s due to ignorance or stubbornness or whatever…that’s fine too. The Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. Allah has given His servants…and we’re all His servants…(Muslims or otherwise) …a great deal of free will and this free will even includes accepting and refusing, submitting and rebelling. That said, a Muslim knows that the “universal and homogenous acceptance and submission of Islamic principals or logic” argument/condition of yours is not a prerequisite to a Muslim’s faith and that it’s just a another variety of an excuse.

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Om Namashivaya

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Many religions claim that they are meant for everybody. Yes, there are certain religions that are not. It is a leap of faith when one decides to follow a religion and concludes that the chosen religion is the truth by some evidence that supports his/her predisposed ideas. This logic is inductive and therefore not really valid. You can never prove one religion to be the truth through deductive reasoning because the initial premise itself is unreasonable. Logic is not a prerequisite for having a faith.

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NEVER !!

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No, I believe all sources are written by humans not God. That is what I believe. I have already explained why it is illogical. All religions cannot be the truth because their claims conflict each other yet they seem to be from and about this unseen deity. Unless there are multiple deities, how can they all be true? Or maybe they are not all completely true or false. How do you conclude that one is the absolute truth? You cannot. It is not possible unless you have compared all religions to each other. See my reply to redvelvet. You can treat each religion as a standalone and make it the absolute truth by inductive reasoning, which is invalid. Deductive reasoning will require you to compare religions and that is where it is impossible to prove claims about the unseen that are made by religions.

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Here is the simple thing. Your premise is wrong. All religion are not the truth. Only 1 is. Each one believes itself to be the truth. Why do you believe all religions must be the truth?

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There was a post earlier stating since some religions have caste system those cannot be true. Another stating except for religions with multiple dieties, how can we argue all religions are not true.

Some would argue that caste was man made. And that the religion in question does not preach that. Re multiple dieties, some would argue that the said religion believes in one god. The dieties are simply pathway to one god. Others would argue dieties are manmade. Others would argue that multiple dieties is logical.

It is interesting that whenever equality for all is discussed, the defenders of the perfect religion bring up “lot” or “lut” story to justify discrimination against gays and punishment for homosexuality.

Based on the fact that defenders of the perfect religion are supportive of such treatment of gays, and don’t hesitate in bringing up imperfections of other religions, it is OK for folks from say Buddhism or Jainism to question how a religion can be perfect if it discriminates against a set of human beings.

It is interesting to note when gay rights are defended that is framed as being anti Islam or anti judaeo (spelling?) religion. But in the same breath being openly critical of other religion for caste system or multiple dieties is AOK.

This post is ONLY for the consumption of such folks. Sanatana Dharma, by the way, is the perfect religion.

Just because.

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You are true *jamhooriat pasand..
*Not to be disrespect full but its the nature of the argument.. Like if we have to sell a NEW design of some thing… like a sailboat , we have to address why you should ditch you old sailboat .. and buy our new design. ..
So in that spirit… We can do initial scanning of other religion based on THEIR OWN criteria of being true… you would be surprised how they fail… on their own principle.
Let me know if ever have like 10 mins, in you life to know religion. :slight_smile:

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You are true *jamhooriat pasand..
*Not to be disrespect full but its the nature of the argument.. Like if we have to sell a NEW design of some thing… like a sailboat , we have to address why you should ditch you old sailboat .. and buy our new design. ..
So in that spirit… We can do initial scanning of other religion based on THEIR OWN criteria of being true… you would be surprised how they fail… on their own principle.
Let me know if ever have like 10 mins, in you life to know religion. :slight_smile:

only if I had a dollar each time I saw that argument on the internet.
I think what atheists want to say is…"God need to put his act together… bring all religion to be identical… then ask for our attention. "

Problem with this logic is, If all the religion were same, why would we need a next religion after the very first religion?
I mean if God told adam(as) “do not take interest on you money!!” Adam(as) would be like “huh??? are you talking about me leaves or apples ?”
So there was a time for each message. Why God did not save previous religion… BECAUSE they would hinder each other…because of people.. not because of message.

Message DID NOT change!!! from torah to zaboor to ingeel…
also hinduism have exact same messages.

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What were your questions regarding your faith?

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Monk bhi… no disrespect taken.

I think you made my point. When you start comparing religions and say other religions have flaws, remember that can go both ways.

If you come out against criticism of other religions, you would have a leg to stand on.

PS Monk bhi… To what do I owe the honor of receiving two notices for being jamhooriat pasand.

Now stay away from larki dakoos

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yes. your own belief, but after so many posts it appears that I was right ‘We all do this with others faith’ :smiley:

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At the time of prophet.. group of Christians came to visit him for dialogue.
They were given residence in mosque of the prophet. Holiest of the place in islam.
They worshipped according to their beliefs, after I guess few days they were not convinced and they left.
Pretty reasonable model for us muslims to follow. People who are seeking for truth.. there is no harm talking to them… But it should not spill out in every day life.
Thats all.

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I am not contesting any of the abive. For I have no interest in comparing religions. But if u r sensitive to ur religion then don’t knock down other religion. I didn’t mean u Monk bhi.. the u here is general

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well I analyzed 3 arguments of ,one of more/most famous and staunch critic of islam/quran, yesterday. He still did not come up with any thing new… same argument with new wording.
I found his argument wrong.
I guess you wont be interested to hear what he said..
But does this qualify me questioning my belief ?

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ok.. I rephrase.
I should know my religion enough..so in case some one wanted to know I could tell.
Back when I use to work on a store… I white dude with his family use to come and tell .. how I was going to hell… and islam this and that.
I smart mouthed him too… I wish I knew more to clear his doubt.
That reasonable ?

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I think there is difference between questioning and criticizing.

I was talking about believers who face certain doubts which leads to questioning for clarity of those doubts. Criticism comes into picture when we feel that we got authority on a subject and are able to pin point deficiencies.

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In that sense I was caught by element of surprise many time. When I had to go back and fact check… but after like few times of doing it. I learned there are about half a dozen thing getting repeated against islam. So now if some thing new come up I will question and check…