Have you ever questioned your belief?

[Southie]

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@Monk

ok.. I rephrase.
I should know my religion enough..so in case some one wanted to know I could tell.
Back when I use to work on a store… I white dude with his family use to come and tell .. how I was going to hell… and islam this and that.
I smart mouthed him too… I wish I knew more to clear his doubt.
That reasonable ?

You are always reasonable, Monk bhi..except when you are not.

Yes. You were within ur rights to smart mouth the guy.

[Southie]

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Anyway, Monk bhi.

I personally think Islam is a wonderful religion. Does preach true equality.

[Theorist]

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@Zafra

Here is the simple thing. Your premise is wrong. All religion are not the truth. Only 1 is. Each one believes itself to be the truth. Why do you believe all religions must be the truth?

..except that is not my premis at all! Read my post again.

[Zafra]

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@Theorist

..except that is not my premis at all! Read my post again.

Actually yes it is. Again flip flopping. You ask the question how can they all be true and I responded by saying they don’t all have to be true. Its a factually incorrect and illogical premise you have.

*All religions cannot be the truth because their claims conflict each other yet they seem to be from and about this unseen deity. Unless there are multiple deities, how can they all be true?

[Theorist]

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@Zafra

Actually yes it is. Again flip flopping. You ask the question how can they all be true and I responded by saying they don’t all have to be true. Its a factually incorrect and illogical premise you have.

Right. I am flip flopping. -__-

[Zafra]

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@Theorist

Right. I am flip flopping. -__-

Its rather evident from your post. So please clarify what you meant by:

*All religions cannot be the truth because their claims conflict each other yet they seem to be from and about this unseen deity. Unless there are multiple deities, how can they all be true?

As you seem to be changing your stance that all religions can not be the truth.

So which is it. Can one religion be the truth or not?

[Theorist]

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@Zafra

Its rather evident from your post. So please clarify what you meant by:

As you seem to be changing your stance that all religions can not be the truth.

So which is it. Can one religion be the truth or not?

No, I am not. I am simply pointing out that none that claim to be ordained by God can be proven by deductive reasoning. To prove one religion to be the ultimate truth out of all religions, you must compare all religions who claim to be God’s religion. If you are going to conclude one religion to be the truth without comparing it with other similar religions, it is based on your subjective judgment and reasoning. Therefore, it is true for you but not for all mankind.

[ajazali]

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@Theorist

… **To prove one religion to be the ultimate truth out of all religions, you must compare all religions who claim to be God’s religion. **If you are going to conclude one religion to be the truth without comparing it with other similar religions, it is based on your subjective judgment and reasoning…

that bold part is also subjective reasoning. You dont know why it is necessary to compare all religions. you dont know how to compare all the religions to prove one religion to be the ultimate truth. Instead, there should be criteria where all religions can be tested against. comparing is not required. It is not necessary for a religion to approve everything form other religions to be the ultimate truth. Negation of all other religions is not required either. Other religions could be considered older/corrupted versions of one true and final religion.
And you said morality is subjective and i asked you to prove the subjectivity of an action. We all know to rob is immoral now you tell me how it could be moral to prove morality subjective.
you are doing same what chach_ghalib said for believers that believers question their belief only to save their bias.

[Southie]

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^ 24/7 gol gol roti

[ajazali]

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@Southie

^ 24/7 gol gol roti

uncle kuch aur bhi bolain na

[Theorist]

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@ajazali

that bold part is also subjective reasoning. You dont know why it is necessary to compare all religions. you dont know how to compare all the religions to prove one religion to be the ultimate truth. Instead, there should be criteria where all religions can be tested against. comparing is not required. It is not necessary for a religion to approve everything form other religions to be the ultimate truth. Negation of all other religions is not required either. Other religions could be considered older/corrupted versions of one true and final religion.
And you said morality is subjective and i asked you to prove the subjectivity of an action. We all know to rob is immoral now you tell me how it could be moral to prove morality subjective.
you are doing same what chach_ghalib said for believers that believers question their belief only to save their bias.

All of this has been discussed in previous pages. I am not going to repeat which I seem to have done a gazillion times already.

[Southie]

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Why not gazillion plus one?

[ajazali]

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@Theorist

All of this has been discussed in previous pages. I am not going to repeat which I seem to have done a gazillion times already.

Well, I dont think so. anyway, my point for morality remains. Next time you say morality is subjective, I will ask you same question.

[Southie]

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^ can you repeat the question?

[Zafra]

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@Theorist

No, I am not. I am simply pointing out that none that claim to be ordained by God can be proven by deductive reasoning. To prove one religion to be the ultimate truth out of all religions, you must compare all religions who claim to be God’s religion. If you are going to conclude one religion to be the truth without comparing it with other similar religions, it is based on your subjective judgment and reasoning. Therefore, it is true for you but not for all mankind.

Actually that has nothing to do with our current discussion. You stated and I quote:

*All religions cannot be the truth because their claims conflict each other yet they seem to be from and about this unseen deity. Unless there are multiple deities, how can they all be true?

*The question is why do they all have to be true?

[PyariCgudia]

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