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^ like your take on trinity…
life of Jesus(as) in general… like pour your heart out.. they way you did about muhammad(pbuh) and islam…
Let me see the same intensity.
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Okay great.
I can imagine you being uncomfortable with things like stoning and beheading. We all should I guess. But then we all should have problem with drones, bombing, GITMO as well.
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“We tortured some folks.”
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I decline respectfully. I feel the same way about all religions and religious figures. I apologize that my comments have been offensive but I sincerely do not want to argue and take this discussion to a more potentially offensive direction. What we had going was a good discussion and I think I am done here. PM me if you are so interested in hearing my thoughts.
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I directed you to other scholars better able to answer your question. Nouman Ali khan, Omar Suleiman, yasir qadhi, Yusuf Estes, hamza Yusuf, saad tasleem. And actually the book itself is giving a challenge. Its being questioned and answers with a challenge.
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no I think you are/were Christians…
its amazing how after setting our socks on fire.. you became so respect full and wont tear apart jesus(as) (of faith).
Thanks for you time sister.
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True but you need a balance. One cannot be ignored for the other. The companions were examples of doing both. And zakah is ritualistic in the sense that a Muslim who has the specified amount of money in hand must give it every lunar year. Its not a one off.
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I don’t know whether to laugh or cry! LOL! Are you serious, buddy? I don’t think I said anything about Muhammad at all. Show me where I have said anything his character or “tore him apart.” You must know there are people who know me outside of GS here, right? I don’t know why I am even replying anymore. :hinna:
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Actually you don’t need God to be right in front of you to believe that the Qur’an is His word. The Qur’an is evidence of His existence just like an apple is evidence of an apple tree. You don’t need to see the tree to know that the apple came from a tree. And anyways like I said before those teachers I mentioned explain Qur’an very well. You can’t research anything on your own you always need to go to the experts in that field.
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And what are those other means?
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You sounded like you were not familiar with islam, perhaps you typed carelessly… we all do.
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Good question! Honestly, I don’t know what that would be, Zafra. I don’t know what could possibly prove the authenticity of any religion. We are used to the scientific method but that cannot be applied here for the most part. I don’t really mean test the theories presented in a scripture, like whether they are seven layers of the sky or the earth is not flat. I mean things like whether that information really came from a higher power. Information circulates, people get knowledge from other people, old texts, traveling, research, colleagues, acquaintances and so on.. There are a million ways to learn about the world than just going to school. We are meant to explore and learn. We are not meant to sit in a corner with our ears and eyes closed. For example, we are taught in schools that Thomas Edison invented the light bulb when now we know that’s now true. Research and study of other scientists before and from his time shows other scientists/inventors had a working light bulb before Edison. Now, that’s not a dig at anyone or religion. I have pondered that question myself but I don’t see how one could ever prove that xyz information came from a higher power. Even if that information came from another world or somewhere in the universe, you still can’t prove that it’s from God. You just can’t prove God. It really is faith.
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So there are no other sources? To refute or validate correct?
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As far as proving whether a message for all mankind is from God himself/the force that makes everything come alive? In my opinion, no.
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So in essence if you can’t prove something you can’t disprove it. Meaning both points of views are equally valid.
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Exactly! My guess is as good as yours!
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So in other words, religion in terms of reality has an equal chance of being valid and ordained from god as not correct?
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1-as an assumption, if there is some thing looked un-earthly in the message, do you have a second theory ?
like alien must have sent it, or devil some thing like that?
Or you want to stick to, there can not be any un earthly messages in the book?
2-Do you believe any thing written down about the prophet ?
from any source, starting from
He did not exist to… what ever.
Once we have a baseline we can build some thing upon it. 
You can keep it short. I dont want to derail your encounter with zafra, too much.
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I wonder how can you say yes. How would it make sense of your god if he orders you and you can disobey in front of him?
Ok, what should be the Ideal God, according to you?
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@Theorist I get your point and what you’re saying but actually you can prove/disprove the “signs” of God if you will. For instance the Qur’an. One aspect of this is the actual language of the Qur’an. It is linguistically amazing. And historically it has been stated that Qur’an was orally revealed to the people and only written down in its entirety after the prophet pbuh passed away. The linguistic intricacies were only discovered after he’d passed. Look at Ayat Ul Kursi. Seriously how is it possible for an unlettered man to come up with such literary excellence? And the Quran has been studied by various people both Muslim and non Muslim. The conclusions are always the same. That this book is just perfection. I’m not trying to convert you or force my opinion on you but you don’t just reject an idea without thoroughly looking into it. Nouman Ali khan lost his faith in Islam when he was younger but found his way back and it was through studying the Qur’an. And now he teaches thousands of students Arabic. I don’t know how you lost your faith I’m not going to make assumptions but honestly it takes years to properly study a subject and that too from learned people. Our youth is only a small period of our lives. Too short to conclusively say research is done and that idea is false.