Have you ever questioned your belief?

[ajazali]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@Southie

7th century point of origin
Morality evolving and improving
200 yr slave trade (one step back)
Emancipation (2 steps forward)
Institutionalized racism (1 step back)
Affirmative action (2 steps forward)
Stop and frisk (1 step back)
Justice dept beginning to crack down. (2 steps forward)
Gay bashing (1 step back)
Gay rights including marriage and civil unions (5 steps forward)

Yes. Trend is upward. Doesn’t mean things progress in a straight line.

Cheers!

racism 1 step back, and gay rights 5 steps forward

[Southie]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@ajazali

it was tough to handle na?

No. I love round rotis!

[ajazali]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@Southie

No. I love round rotis!

thanks, the idea is, if you do not find any good with believe in God then questioning makes no sense.

[Southie]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@ajazali

racism 1 step back, and gay rights 5 steps forward

I knew the gay rights part would get some attention.

The reason racism was one step back - it was always there. In fact it was not a step back at all. I was just being conservative.

[Zafra]

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@Southie

I knew the gay rights part would get some attention.

The reason racism was one step back - it was always there. In fact it was not a step back at all. I was just being conservative.

So were the issues of homosexuality. Well done on being a hypocrite. You also forgot, the holocaust, the Rwanda Genocide. Colonialism. Segregration. The crusades. World war 1. World war 2. The french revolution. And so much more.

But yeah racism was only 1 step back because the white man says so.

[Southie]

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This is all the doctor ordered for today.

zafra , thank you for your post. I am sure you agreed with my assessment. That means a lot to me, man.

Sometimes all you need is someone pointing out the obvious in a clear and concise manner. Glad to help.

Cheers!

[Monk]

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@Theorist

Can you prove to me that Qur’an is from the divine?

yes we can in about 5 min.
But to a honest and decent person, which you are not sadly.

and BTW you want to go ahteast go against what your family believed in.
Why coming after islam??
Why Go after where you such great trouble following a “man” prophet.

[Monk]

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@Balthier

Evolution of man and his surroundings is inevitable. Hence why man must be willing to be progressive. Going in a tagent on the atrocities of the west still does not change the fact that implementing norms of the 7th century in today’s society will generally not yield good results.

Also If west has commited or is committing atrocities, then there are people within the western societies, who says it is wrong and must stop. Man must be willing to accept his wrongdoings, much of what went on in the middle ages was wrong, man now knows this.

have some shame.
I proved beyond doubt that morality via surrounding is kinda weak concept.

You said few RIGHT things in the post, BUT it dose address my point.

I never used word west, atrocities etc..
who are you responding to??
Silly cnn-ish trick.
But how would you know better that what you see around you.. right??

[Zafra]

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@Southie

This is all the doctor ordered for today.

zafra , thank you for your post. I am sure you agreed with my assessment. That means a lot to me, man.

Sometimes all you need is someone pointing out the obvious in a clear and concise manner. Glad to help.

Cheers!

And thats what you do when you get caught being a hypocrite. You ignore the point and evade. Its okay Southie. I am happy to point out you are a hypocrite any time of the day. I also hope you don’t lose any sleep over this at night.

[ajazali]

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Yes, I know gay rights helped step 1) avoid invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and so on.
step 2) Removed poverty.
step 3) Removed hunger.
step 4) Helped stop cold war between US and Russia.
step 5) Brought peace and harmony in the world.
LOLzzz

[Monk]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

Southe sb aap bhi kamal kerty heen aadhi muslam duneya roast ker di... and half a step back…
*Gori ki *pussy(billy) ko pet kia 4 steps forward…

[Zafra]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@Monk

Southe sb aap bhi kamal kerty heen aadhi muslam duneya roast ker di... and half a step back…
*Gori ki *pussy(billy) ko pet kia 4 steps forward…

LMAO! Some days (when I get what you say) I think you are an absolute genius monk. And when I don’t get what you say I blame you…but now I think I am just too dumb to get your point on those days.

[Monk]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@Zafra

LMAO! Some days (when I get what you say) I think you are an absolute genius monk. And when I don’t get what you say I blame you…but now I think I am just too dumb to get your point on those days.

[Southie]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@Monk

Southe sb aap bhi kamal kerty heen aadhi muslam duneya roast ker di... and half a step back…
*Gori ki *pussy(billy) ko pet kia 4 steps forward…

Monk bhi… Yeh kis tarah ke shabdon ka upyog kar rahe hai aap? Tauba

[Thornewood9]

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@Theorist

Can you prove to me that Qur’an is from the divine? If not then whatever it says about the prophet is invalid because he is the one it was supposedly revealed to. For every source you post, I can post two debunking its claim just like any other scripture..

I am not going to get into his character but just want to say one thing. An honest and trustworthy person isn’t necessarily merciful or good. Many military leaders were known for being honest and trustworthy but they were also cold hearted and guilty of war crimes.

I myself am not an Islamic teacher so I would have to refer you to other more educated Islamic individuals such as nouman Ali khan, Omar Suleiman, saad tasleem, yasir qadhi, yusuf estes, to name a few.
From what they teach about Islam and Quran, the Quran does seem legit to me. That it’s from a source other than human. My point about the Quran being from a higher power was in reply to your comment about “authentic” sources. That no human recorded source could be authentic because of bias. So I thought well then why not look at a source that isn’t human? And actually the burden of proving the Quran isn’t on me. The Quran asks for your challenge. You just need to read the Quran.

"Do people imagine that this Qur’an is not from Us, and that you, O Prophet are falsely attributing to us? Tell them that if they are speaking truly they should produce ten surahs resembling the Qur’an, and that they are free to call on the aid of anyone but God in so doing.” (11:13)

Then the scope of the challenge is reduced still further: the deniers are called on to produce only a single surah resembling the Qur’an:

“Oh people, if you doubt the heavenly origin of this Book which We have sent down to Our servant, the Prophet, produce one surah like it.” (2:23)

So actually the Qur’an is challenging those who don’t believe its true. Linguistically there is nothing like it. And that came from a man who was unlettered. Also about the Prophet pbuh he was and probably still is one of the most documented people in all of history. You can question his character but his life story yells otherwise. Of course that’s not an authentic source for you. Even if non Muslims documented his life. So that’s why I direct you to Qur’an.

[Roman]

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@Theorist

As I said it before, morality is subjective. It changes depending on who you ask. Morality is indeed linked to time. Is anytime truly moral? Maybe but human history proves that our sense of morality has improved overtime. Why would I want to stay in a time period when the idea of morality was to be okay with slavery as long as you treat them nice when it is indeed more moral to have no human slaves and realize that all human lives are equally important. I am sure there will come a time when people will think of us as barbaric for eating meat. Are we barbaric? No, because we live in a time when it’s okay but that doesn’t mean our future generations should hold on to this idea when a better more moral one exists and can be easily adopted.

hear hear!

[Thornewood9]

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@eastern11

You are a very nice person! Thing is nowhere was I disrespectful. I did not attack those here who do not believe at all and neither did I attack those who are hardcore religious zealots. I think of myself of a moderate Muslim who is more into the practical side than the ritualistic side.

I know I am deeply intelligent, only those who are sub par attack others. Enough said.

Practical side? Sorry just wanted to say the ritualistic side of Islam can’t be ignored. Prayers, hajj, zakah, fasting, etc. That’s all ritualistic but serves a purpose both to fulfill us emotionally, physically and more importantly spiritually. So… You can’t actually ignore the ritualistic side. Apologies if I misunderstood you.

[Southie]

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Obama: ‘No religion is responsible for terrorism’

The trend is up. The comments are revealing. Liberals effectively neutralizing those who try to equate ISIS with Islam.

zafra will find some fault with this article also. Here are some cliches for you, bud

Don’t fight the trend.
For the trend is your friend

[eastern11]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

No, I believe in that praying 5 times a day etc., but I place a lot of emphasis on the practical side. Today people talk more about doing such and such voluntary prayer more than they do about helping others, Haqooqul Ibad etc. The companions of the holy Prophet ( SW) were very pious. Other than prophets who could pray like them? Yet, there are more examples of their humanitarian work and charity that is remembered. Who amongst us can forget Hazrat Umar Farooq ( R A) words that he is responsible if even a dog goes hungry beside the river Dajla? But today people have forgotten that and emphasize more on other things. And Zakat is not ritualistic.

QUOTE=Thornewood9;10249812]Practical side? Sorry just wanted to say the ritualistic side of Islam can’t be ignored. Prayers, hajj, zakah, fasting, etc. That’s all ritualistic but serves a purpose both to fulfill us emotionally, physically and more importantly spiritually. So… You can’t actually ignore the ritualistic side. Apologies if I misunderstood you.
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[hareem01]

Re: Have you ever questioned your belief?

@PyariCgudia

And it’s a fallacy to say third world countries are holding onto 7th century values. Islamic values are more or less judeo-Christian values with the latter being even more ancient.

US, UK and other civilized countries do more to incorporate those values in laws and actually implementing them than countries like Pakistan where religion is a facade but behind closed doors all irreligious things are happening. Pakistan is the antithesis of 7th century values ironically.

Saudi has laws that are barbaric and have no basis in Islam, such as women driving and the reasons for which they behead.

@PyariCgudia

Here we go again. Islam doesn’t approve or encourage slavery. It eradicates it , just by a more humane method than dumping millions on the streets without any form of help in transitioning to a normal life. It eradicates by incorporating the slaves into the free population so then eventually over time everyone is free.

We have not even studied details of the early Islamic empire. Prophet had a slave. Zaid. Became one of the Sahabah and fought and was a prominent figure. People went on to hold public offices in the government from being slaves. So how can we say Islam permitted a slave system? This is semantics. Not banning something outright doesn’t mean that thing is encouraged.

Weeding out social Evils slowly is a totally valid method compared to outright bans.

Abusing alcohol dramatically decreased in early Islam, meanwhile what did the Prohibition do in the US?

:k:

don’t know why these posts were ignored by Southie and Bal.