Thats how Im interpreting it.But Im far from a religious scholar.It could be something neither of us have thought of.Maybe it turns out in a way where we're told to go and help our people.While there, we could be attacked, then we would have to defend the Muslims there (and ourselves) by attacking the attackers.It would be really great to have a more learned person here.Sigh.
When an educated panel such as the esteemed group in this thread cannot decide if Muslims should 'slay them whereever ye find them', is it any wonder we have hordes of uneducated jihadis deciding (or being told) it is ordained by Allah?
guess what ppl, there is the new religion on the block, called Nescism.....it has a great scripture....and i think I'm going to put up a quote from there in my signature...it says: "kill anyone on internet with the nickname Mad_Scientist"
and ppl, don't get a wrong impression, it is important to understand the context of this verse in its whole context in the scripture. My solely putting this quote in my signature should not be misunderstood.
So kill in defence only and do it only AFTER you have tried to find a solution, that’s the underlying message. Then why should your approach be any different towards homosexuals? Surely they deserve more compassion than the mushrikeens who have commited the biggest sin of all- shirq, no?
Going back to the point Nescio makes, the signature gives an impression that prophet saws gave us a license to kill everyone caught in the act when the issues of producing 4 witnesses and so on are there as antiobl mentioned. So the point being, if it’s all about the context then why not explain the context in your signature as well? Goodluck with the 3 line restriction. And if it’s not about hatred , ok let me quote you " its more Islam and the fact that its misunderstood." then the signature is not helping at all 
edit: and it’s not its , it’s it’s
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*Originally posted by NeSCio: *
guess what ppl, there is the new religion on the block, called Nescism.....it has a great scripture....and i think I'm going to put up a quote from there in my signature...it says: "kill anyone on internet with the nickname Mad_Scientist"
and ppl, don't get a wrong impression, it is important to understand the context of this verse in its whole context in the scripture. My solely putting this quote in my signature should not be misunderstood.
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^This is one of those times when its hard not to reply with the most ridiculous answer that comes to mind.If you want to make it a joke fine.I was under the impression that this was a serious discussion.Somebody should have told me that the thread was about maddy and not the verse.
Btw Nescism cant be accepted.A person cant create a religion.
2Bad---Why does the impression matter so much rather then the actual meaning of the verse? There are other people with one liners also - the one line being a verse.(As for my apostrophes- I hardly bother.Btw it is Prophet (SAW) not saws)
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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *
^This is one of those times when its hard not to reply with the most ridiculous answer that comes to mind.If you want to make it a joke fine.I was under the impression that this was a serious discussion.Somebody should have told me that the thread was about maddy and not the verse.
Btw Nescism cant be accepted.A person cant create a religion.
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nescism cannot be accepted? who says that? in your religion (i.e. Islam) nescism cannot be accepted. In nesism any other religion cannot be accepted :p furthermore, nescism says to slay anyone from another religion who doesn't accept the authority of nescism........so u want me to start with slaying u?
point being: Everyone thinks his/her religion is the right one, and whatever s/he blindly quotes will all be good. How come all the maulahs start crying when matsui says something against islam which from the point of view of HIS religion is valid, but noone cries when something equally bad is said about another religion from within 'islam'.
And here is where i draw the line between Hadiths and Quranic verses: the ayah tells of killing (?) ppl who do not accept your religious message. It doesn't say which religious one.....so even a hindu could kill non-hindus (e.g. muslims) and ironically (!) say he was just following the quran from his point of view (after all, he was killing non-believers in his eyes), whereas the Hadith is too explicit and is a death threat......not only that, it also contradicts the message of Quran that tells ppl to be patient and merciful, because who know, the person ur about to kill might have changed his life and become a good momin...and now u've taken away that chance from him.
Yet you bother enough to correct the grammer of another?
That my dear MQ, would be “it**’ **s” and not “is” Apparantly you don’t bother greatly about letters either 
now since we have started to interpret ‘to kill’ as ‘self-defence’, don’t tell me Maddie got intimidated by a bunch of gays that made him put up this signature 
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^Btw Nescism cant be accepted.A person cant create a religion.
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Of course a person can 'invent' a religion. A religion doesn't have to have centuries-old texts and billions of followerers to be legitimate. Islam itself says that religions that were supposedly laid out by their own God are no longer valid. And if God made the mistake twice (Judiasm, Christianity), perhaps allowing the Quran to be written onto palm leaves and stones to be transcribed later into one complete book was also a mistake. So who knows if Nescism is the true way?
A religion is a person's spiritual beliefs, values, and practices based on whatever teachings they determine are correct, just as yours is.
Nes Nowhere in Islam does it tell us to just get up and start killing people.
- furthermore, nescism says to slay anyone from another religion who doesn't accept the authority of nescism.*
Nothing of the sort in Islam.
True everybody thinks their religion is right, however not all of them 'blindly' quote.Some of them actually know a thing or two about their religions, therefore if others dont understand, they are not to blame.People who are ignorant where Islam is concerned, can ask the person who might be able to answer their questions.Matsui can say anything he likes, so long as he respects other religions.Muslims are told to respect others and their faiths.I dont speak for all the 'mullahs' I speak for myself.I refuse to conradict my religion, because I have faith in it. I refuse to discard it to make others happy, just because they are ignorant.
And here is where i draw the line between Hadiths and Quranic verses: the ayah tells of killing (?) ppl who do not accept your religious message
Nes my dear, perhaps you need to read the Ayah carefully.It does NOT say to kill others who do not accept the religious message. Find me proof from Islam of any such thing.I am very curious to know where you got this idea from.
Hiccy---meri jaan you may correct my spelling but try also to make a contribution to the thread.
Mq sweety this thread is mostly bakwas, I was simply highlighting your hipocrasy, you may be an english teacher to 10 yr olds but the posters here are presumably older.
See you later sweetness
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Nes Nowhere in Islam does it tell us to just get up and start killing people.
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of course not, but if someone just puts up that signature without thinking that not everyone (especially non-muslims) has access to the total context, then it doesn't need much imagination to realize that his sig will be misinterpreted. It's his duty to make sure his post/message/sig isnt misinterpreted....something which everyone accused Matsui of: not ensuring that everyone would see the non-serious side of his posts.
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* furthermore, nescism says to slay anyone from another religion who doesn't accept the authority of nescism.*
Nothing of the sort in Islam.
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why are we comparing islam to nescism? We're just putting up quotes. One should always look at the context in which this is said. Even in nescism (where it says to kill non-believers) one shud realize the setting/time/history when it was written. Just like you say one shudn't intrepret islam on the basis of one ayah, so too is the case in nescism. However, since both maddie and I are just putting up one quote from the scripture, it is bound to be misinterpreted. Maddie should have thought twice.
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True everybody thinks their religion is right, however not all of them 'blindly' quote.
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Maddie did...and we're discussing his quote here
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Some of them actually know a thing or two about their religions, therefore if others dont understand, they are not to blame.
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of course they are to blame!!!!! the same way everyone blamed Matsui that he said all kinds of things, whereas infact noone understood Matsui's message....according to you Mats isn't to blame for this.
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People who are ignorant where Islam is concerned, can ask the person who might be able to answer their questions.Matsui can say anything he likes, so long as he respects other religions.
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so what right has Maddie to insult homosexuals here?
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Muslims are told to respect others and their faiths.
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go tell Maddie
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And here is where i draw the line between Hadiths and Quranic verses: the ayah tells of killing (?) ppl who do not accept your religious message
Nes my dear, perhaps you need to read the Ayah carefully.It does NOT say to kill others who do not accept the religious message. Find me proof from Islam of any such thing.I am very curious to know where you got this idea from.
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if we just quote on single ayah then such misunderstanding will arise. Just as you misunderstood nescism's message
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Of course a person can 'invent' a religion. A religion doesn't have to have centuries-old texts and billions of followerers to be legitimate. Islam itself says that religions that were supposedly laid out by their own God are no longer valid. And if God made the mistake twice (Judiasm, Christianity), perhaps allowing the Quran to be written onto palm leaves and stones to be transcribed later into one complete book was also a mistake. So who knows if Nescism is the true way?
A religion is a person's spiritual beliefs, values, and practices based on whatever teachings they determine are correct, just as yours is.
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People may invent as many religions as they like.They will be the inventions of the people .Not Allah.Islam says its the one true religion.
Back to the topic,Maddys signature is neither false, nor against another faith.
Hiccy---my comment for AJ was due to the fact (or rather to show) that he made a ridiculous comment towards armughal.Im aware of the fact that everybody makes typos.
just one point here related to the discussion between MQ and faisal. the kill 'them' wherever you find 'them' was directed at the specific 'them' that persecuted us.
Nes--- Fine. You feel that maddy's signature is misunderstood.However, I think he just did explain himself.Its up to him what he wishes to do after that, and he cant exactly stick ten or 20 lines to his signature to explain the exact meaning of it.There was another guppan who had written the name of a certain guppan and added "....I forgive you for being born.." Did you open a thread on that or tell everybody that it was wrong? I didnt see it if you did.Some other person did comment and I agreed, the signature was later removed.I can understand that a signature can be offending.
Maddy did not 'blindly' quote anything.From what I know of him, he is quite knowledgeable about his faith.Im sorry if you feel that matsui has been discriminated against.Take that up with your team members.As for judging another person or faith , I think we should know something about them before we start accusing.
ravage--Thank you.
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
The hadith has nothing to do with hatred. God has decreed that men engaging in male sodomy with other men (as Lot's people did) have commited a capital offense and should be put to death.
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When and where did God make such a decree? As far as I can tell, someone said that someone said that Muhammed said it.
Mad_S, can I take this opportunity to ask if you can point out if there was anyone at the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) who was put to death for the offense of male or female sodomy?
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Nes--- Fine. You feel that maddy's signature is misunderstood.However, I think he just did explain himself.
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matty explained himself as well, yet noone wanted to listen and kept on picking on the wrong interpretation
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Its up to him what he wishes to do after that, and he cant exactly stick ten or 20 lines to his signature to explain the exact meaning of it.
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this he shud have thought of earlier and realized that 20 lines wudn't fit and come up with an other sig
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There was another guppan who had written the name of a certain guppan and added "....I forgive you for being born.." Did you open a thread on that or tell everybody that it was wrong? I didnt see it if you did.
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i didn't reply in that thread and didnt want to here. But the difference between the two is that in the case u present it was specifically towards one person coming from one person. Here it's against a group of ppl coming from a whole religion and it can easily be misinterpreted. Another point being that often I'm being attacked by mullahs only cuz i question certain things, and now from within there comes something insulting towards a whole group. and no mullah is to be seen...
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I can understand that a signature can be offending.
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exactly, and it is upto the owner to ensure it doesn't cause havoc.
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Maddy did not 'blindly' quote anything.From what I know of him, he is quite knowledgeable about his faith.Im sorry if you feel that matsui has been discriminated against.Take that up with your team members.As for judging another person or faith , I think we should know something about them before we start accusing.
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yes, i'd expected a bit more from maddie myself. But fact remains he posted this and is yet to defend himself. Something for which matty wud have been lynched by the mullahs if he didn't defend himself
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Originally posted by armughal: *
**Faisal bhai*, u shud have read this:
Quran 24:2
*.... Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day.... *
u have to be strict in matters that have been prescribed by Allah....
so if it feels like hatred to u, then so be it....
Allah's command is to be carried out no matter how the entire universe feels about it....
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But armughal,
How sure are you that you are right? Your way of interpretation is correct?
IMHO..Only God is positive. Not up to humans to assume God's place.
armughal, if I understand your point, you are saying its perfectly alright to kill other people without feeling any hatred for them. Thats true. You can kill people out of pity, compassion, act of mercy or pure indifference.