:D I do, question is how others will read it. Waise 95% of our population tend to take literal meaning of everything they read, that's a problem, don't you agree?
However thats why we need to educate those.We cant sweep things like this under the carpet ,because they dont understand.Personally I would want them to know about it.And no Im not offended ; I would rather ask what it means, rather then take offense first.
haaeeen? literal meaning not allowed!
first time hearing the Quran shud be read like a parable like Bible!
however, there is of course a context for everything.
^ I didn’t know that. If you can’t take the literal meaning here, what are you supposed to take? The implied meaning? How do you know what’s implied? It’s pretty clear that you are told to kill people in these verses. I can understand it if it were about the concepts of hoors and all that but how can you not take the literal meaning here?
Or do you mean to say, we are not supposed to quote it out of context.
edit : ok i took forever to press submit, ghulail beat me to it
MQ: agreed about the Quranic verse....but what about the first one....that's a hadith?
I can imagine that a gay person would be highly offended by a signature with the first quote in it. Conceptually it is equal to putting a quote from a racist leader who tells his followers to kill muslims. It's just not done!
If people get offended when even the name of some religious figure is mentioned by a non-muslim I'd say they shud equally well feel offended when such a sig is used. This is not just a sig, but a direct death threat to a possible homosexual. (am talking about the first quote, cuz that one is explicit...the quranic verse is aspecific.)
The Quranic ayat was revealed during a period when the mushrikeen had declared war against the Muslims, and it is an instruction from God to that Muslim community that the Muslims should fight back with all available force againt the unbelievers, rather than be pacifist and get slaughtered.
The hadith has nothing to do with hatred. God has decreed that men engaging in male sodomy with other men (as Lot's people did) have commited a capital offense and should be put to death.
Similarly, heterosexual adulterers are also commiters of a capital crime and should also be put to death.
The injunction to kill practicing homosexuals is no different from that to kill adulterers.
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The Quranic ayat was revealed during a period when the mushrikeen had declared war against the Muslims, and it is an instruction from God to that Muslim community that the Muslims should fight back with all available force againt the unbelievers, rather than be pacifist and get slaughtered.
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a period when the mushrikeen had declared war against the Muslims<<
One could justifiably argue that this is very true right now as well since Amreeka & her friends are attacking muslims every day, and hence the ayat is very valid in these times. So what does the ayat say again:
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And slay them (non-believers) wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out
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What other interpretation can we get from this ayat?
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The hadith has nothing to do with hatred. God has decreed that men engaging in male sodomy with other men (as Lot's people did) have commited a capital offense and should be put to death.
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Very interesting. No hatred. Just kill them. With love, ofcourse?
The title is misleading.I dont think its about Islam and hatred, its more Islam and the fact that its misunderstood.
Nes--- Im sure I can find other signatures which are more offending.Is the topic about a certain person and his signature? Or the fact that the signature is Islamic and misunderstood? The verse and hadith are parts of Islam.Some people might not like them or agree with them, but they are part of the religion. Also these are just bits and pieces, you have to understand that whats in the lines or words--- isnt everything.There was a time, place, and reason for such hadith and verse.Islam doesn just say get up and start killing others.Like Maddy said, the words are about defending and punishiment for evil deeds.
Faisal---The verse was revealed back then.I dont see how America fits into it right now.
^Ofcourse not.What has been revealed by Allah is final and forever. Im saying why does it have to be involved with or related to hatred. When criminals do something wrong or kill your loved ones, why do you demand justice?
Leave hatred for a moment and lets focus on the ayat in the first post. So, you agree the command in the Quran is valid right now. And if there is an argument that mushrikeen (present day christians) and non-believers have declared war on Islam and muslims (by attacking muslims every day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechniya, Kashmir and Palestine), is there a case that muslims should slay them (non-believers) whereever they find them?
