Also imams in the weekly Friday prayers only pray for muslim 'ummah' (that fantasy word only found in books) and not for the entire humanity in general
A few jumas back the imam's assistant stood up and said to the audience, 'Brothers when you leave the mosque after saying your players please take care to keep the paved area in front of the masjid clear so that 'non-muslims' can pass!'
He could have said people or passers-by but no he had to utter that word. Such uneducated attitude only promotes intolerance and narrow-mindedness among the masses
oh yeah..thx for reminding me that aspect....it is mind boggling how our juma mosques and sermons are loaded with quotes and lectures focusing on "stay away from non muslims", "prayers for muslim umah only"...I mean did anyone of us ever hear our imams doing a quick dua for non-muslims who died in some huge natural catastrophe? these are small small things but they go a long way in promoting multi-religion harmony and love for other religions...
but hey how can we do that...firstly you cannot do dua for non-muslims..it may be haram because all of them will go to hell especially hindus because they do shirk!!! (nobody would ever bother thinking who is responsible for a hindu to be born in a hindu fammily to start with?)
secondly, forget non muslims, we are busy killing other sects in our mosques............
Though he did not mention famous Muslim scholars and scientist. In past Muslims have contributed a lot in science, medicine and technology. My favorite subject Algebra is also invention of Muslims when they changed Greek numbers in to numbers which we use in day to day math.
Though credit for modern Science goes to America and Europe, in past Muslims were also not behind in science and technology. India has progressed a lot in these fields since 1947, unfortunately Pakistan progressed backwards due to faulty thinking about religion and science.
Pakistan created only one great Nobel award winner scientist Dr. Salam, he was discredited and dishonored by Pakistan because he was Qadiani.
Muslim scientists and inventors, including Arabs, Persians and Turks, were probably hundreds of years ahead of their counterparts in the European Middle Ages. They drew influence from Aristotelian philosophy and Neo-platonists, as well as Euclid, Archimedes, Ptolemy and others. The muslims made innumerable discoveries and wrote countless books about medicine, surgery, physics, chemistry, philosophy, astrology, geometry and various other fields.
Today’s article discusses the most famous muslim scientists and inventors and their wonderful inventions.
Abu Nasr Al-Farabi (872 – 950)
Abu Nasr Al-Farabi
Also known as Alpharabius. Arab scientist and philosopher, considered as one of the preeminent thinkers of medieval era.
Al-Battani (858 – 929)
Al-Battani
Also known as Albatenius. Arab mathematician, scientists and astronomer who improved existing values for the length of the year and of the seasons.
Ibn Sina (980 – 1037)
Ibn Sina
Also known as Avicenna. Persian philosopher and scientist known for his contributions to Aristotelian philosophy and medicine.
Ibn Battuta (1304 – 1369)
Ibn Battuta
Also known as Shams ad–Din. Arab traveler and scholar who wrote one of the most famous travel books in history, the Rihlah.
Ibn Rushd (1126 – 1198)
Ibn Rushd
Also known as Averroes. Arab philosopher and scholar who produced a series of summaries and commentaries on most of Aristotle’s works and on Plato’s Republic.
Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khwarizmi (780 – 850)
Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khwarizmi
Also known as Algoritmi or Algaurizin. His works introduced Hindu-Arabic numerals and the concepts of algebra into European mathematics.
Omar Khayyam (1048 – 1131)
Omar Khayyam
Persian mathematician, astronomer, and poet, known for his scientific achievements and Rubaiyat (“quatrains”).
Thabit ibn Qurra (826 – 901)
Thabit ibn Qurra
Also known as Thebit. Arab mathematician, physician and astronomer; who was the first reformer of the Ptolemaic system and the founder of statics.
Abu Bakr Al-Razi (865 – 925)
Abu Bakr Al-Razi
Also known as Rhazes. Persian alchemist and philosopher, who was one of the greatest physicians in history.
Jabir Ibn Haiyan (722 – 804)
Jabir Ibn Haiyan
Also known as Geber. The father of Arab chemistry known for his highly influential works on alchemy and metallurgy.
Ibn Ishaq Al-Kindi (801 – 873)
Ibn Ishaq Al-Kindi
Also known as Alkindus. Arab philosopher and scientist, who is known as the first of the Muslim peripatetic philosophers.
Ibn Al-Haytham (965 – 1040)
Ibn Al-Haytham
Also known as Alhazen. Arab astronomer and mathematician known for his important contributions to the principles of optics and the use of scientific experiments.
Ibn Zuhr (1091 – 1161)
Ibn Zuhr
Also known as Avenzoar. Arab physician and surgeon, known for his influential book Al-Taisir Fil-Mudawat Wal-Tadbeer (Book of Simplification Concerning Therapeutics and Diet).
Ibn Khaldun (1332 – 1406)
Ibn Khaldun
Arab historiographer and historian who developed one of the earliest nonreligious philosophies of history. Often considered as one of the forerunners of modern historiography, sociology and economics.
Ibn Al-Baitar (1197 – 1248)
Ibn Al-Baitar
Arab scientist, botanist and physician who systematically recorded the discoveries made by Islamic physicians in the Middle Ages.
Algebra (from Arabical-jebr meaning “reunion of broken parts”[SUP][1]](Algebra - Wikipedia)[/SUP]) is one of the broad parts of mathematics, together with number theory, geometry and analysis. As such, it includes everything from elementary equation solving to the study of abstractions such as groups, rings, and fields. The more basic parts of algebra are called elementary algebra, the more abstract parts are called abstract algebra or modern algebra. Elementary algebra is essential for any study of mathematics, science, or engineering, as well as such applications as medicine and economics. Abstract algebra is a major area in advanced mathematics, studied primarily by professional mathematicians. Much early work in algebra, as the origin of its name suggests, was done in the Near East, by such mathematicians as Omar Khayyam (1050-1123).
second, they were all arabs … they happened to be muslims but they were arabs…that is what hassan nisar saying…why do we (subcontinent muslims) take credit of arabs or turkish achievements..
what about us who belong to subcontinent? what have we contributed?
oh i am sorry…we have…we have contributed kama sutra! kaya baat hai kama sutra kee..even goras are impressed!
second, they were all arabs .... they happened to be muslims but they were arabs...that is what hassan nisar saying....why do we (subcontinent muslims) take credit of arabs or turkish achievements..
what about us who belong to subcontinent? what have we contributed?
oh i am sorry...we have...we have contributed kama sutra! kaya baat hai kama sutra kee..even goras are impressed!
No they were not all Arabs, include in above lists are Persians and Turks too.
You replied without further waiting. Read third paragraph of my comments. In such suffocating atmosphere why a common Pakistani even think about science and technology? Definitely those retards and misguides get the respect where as people like Dr. Salam treated as piece of sh!t.
solution? we all know the solution but hey we want to live in our so called fake islamic bubble!!!
just ask what is so good about your mahan england and why it became so good......and the answer will always lead to separation of church and state and adopting a secular outlook from governance perspective yet giving full liberty to every religion to practie in a private capacity.......can any pakistani leader including your fav one can even think of adopting and promoting such an outlook?
but hey we muslims have to live by "sharia" in a society driven by "islamic jurisprudence" even though we have never been able to it anywehre in 1400 years
Nice to see you taking interest in my Mahan Inglistaan, perhaps I should gift you one my History books for Easter.
For starters, my Mahaan Inglistaan doesn't even have a written legal constitution, but the outlook you referring to took centuries to achieve. Somehow some fundamentalists live in this bubble that either Secularism and Shriah can be imposed on people at whim. No, fortunately or unfortunately, it doesn't work like this. No idiot can stand up and say, 'right, lets just change the total outlook of our country by next Sunday'. It won't yield any success. We don't need some quick, cosmetic changes, we need deeply rooted, credibly, long lasting and gradual process which goes ahead issue by issue. The starting point of the process for every Mahan country usually begins with providing access to education for masses, strengthening of democratic institutions and industrialisation. So far my favorite leader is working on few of those things and hopefully, it'll lead to something much bigger. I'm obviously no Hassan Nisar so I won't be saying 'no no we are doomed, even hell doesn't want us'.
Btw, I must tell you, before my Mahaan country separated Church from State, there was a much needed and literally quite earth shattering Break from Rome some five centuries ago. Let's see if your favourite leader has the guts to take a break from Saudi Arabia. Oh, I just read another thread stating Pakistani Army Chief has decided to raise another fresh batch of new hip Jihadists because of their Saudi Pope said so. How sad.
Nice to see you taking interest in my Mahan Inglistaan, perhaps I should gift you one my History books for Easter.
For starters, my Mahaan Inglistaan doesn't even have a written legal constitution, but the outlook you referring to took centuries to achieve. Somehow some fundamentalists live in this bubble that either Secularism and Shriah can be imposed on people at whim. No, fortunately or unfortunately, it doesn't work like this. No idiot can stand up and say, 'right, lets just change the total outlook of our country by next Sunday'. It won't yield any success. We don't need some quick, cosmetic changes, we need deeply rooted, credibly, long lasting and gradual process which goes ahead issue by issue. The starting point of the process for every Mahan country usually begins with providing access to education for masses, strengthening of democratic institutions and industrialisation. So far my favorite leader is working on few of those things and hopefully, it'll lead to something much bigger. I'm obviously no Hassan Nisar so I won't be saying 'no no we are doomed, even hell doesn't want us'.
Btw, I must tell you, before my Mahaan country separated Church from State, there was a much needed and literally quite earth shattering Break from Rome some five centuries ago. Let's see if your favourite leader has the guts to take a break from Saudi Arabia. Oh, I just read another thread stating Pakistani Army Chief has decided to raise another fresh batch of new hip Jihadists because of their Saudi Pope said so. How sad.
and i think it is equally idiotic to even assume that someone is suggesting that sharia or secularism can be implemented in one week! deep sigh!
I have read European history...and understand church/state separation background....so you can keep your books for a better use! or maybe read them again...just a thought!
and yes of-course it takes time ..long time .. to change the fabric of a societal makeup but it requires a basic framework to start with. as of now pakistani leadership and its masses have chosen a religion-based constitution under which you cannot even become president or PM of the country if you are not muslim, a syllabus which promotes hatred and narrow-mindness towards other religions, a suffocating environment where secularism has become a galliee...
and no i dont see any pakistani leader challenging this situation including your fav leader...your fav leader is actually selected by taliban as of the most trusted allies.....ahhhh
oh by the way, your fav leader's government did not even allow malala's book to be presented in its province!!! enough said... now please dont give me BS that IK did not like that act per his tweet....
keep making false accusations as if i support NS, Bilawal or Army! just search my posts/threads.....I focus more on IK because i used to belong to PTI and was a registered member in the USA and did some work for his party....so obviously more disappointed with him...
last but not least...sick of those shameless souls who live in the west,take full advantage of secular societies..where they can fully practice their religion under government protection............can participate in local politics an can be elected as PM.......but they want a religion-based sharia system back home in Pakistan!
you are not one of those souls Jolie? are you? just curious....
and i think it is equally idiotic to even assume that someone is suggesting that sharia or secularism can be implemented in one week! deep sigh!
I have read European history...and understand church/state separation background....so you can keep your books for a better use! or maybe read them again...just a thought!
and yes of-course it takes time ..long time .. to change the fabric of a societal makeup but it requires a basic framework to start with. as of now pakistani leadership and its masses have chosen a religion-based constitution under which you cannot even become president or PM of the country if you are not muslim, a syllabus which promotes hatred and narrow-mindness towards other religions, a suffocating environment where secularism has become a galliee...
and no i dont see any pakistani leader challenging this situation including your fav leader...your fav leader is actually selected by taliban as of the most trusted allies.....ahhhh
oh by the way, your fav leader's government did not even allow malala's book to be presented in its province!!! enough said... now please dont give me BS that IK did not like that act per his tweet....
keep making false accusations as if i support NS, Bilawal or Army! just search my posts/threads.....I focus more on IK because i used to belong to PTI and was a registered member in the USA and did some work for his party....so obviously more disappointed with him...
last but not least...sick of those shameless souls who live in the west,take full advantage of secular societies..where they can fully practice their religion under government protection............can participate in local politics an can be elected as PM.......but they want a religion-based sharia system back home in Pakistan!
you are not one of those souls Jolie? are you? just curious....
Did I hit a nerve PD? I'm amused by your defensiveness. For a guy who pretends to appear so cool and always blames others for getting offended can certainly get worked up when someone doesn't say yes to his yes.
Sure keep harping about how many books you've read about European History, and I can tell you from whatever I've read, people like you never managed to bring any change. Before suggesting I should read my books again, I'd be helpful if you can just read my post again. People like you just focus on quick cosmetic changes as show off and to gain feel good factor, that's why real changes never occur. Yes a mere change in constitution that non Muslim people can become a head of state will miraculously make Pakistan a heaven on earth for minorities. The tiny population of minority (which what 3-4% of total population?) lives below poverty line in ghettos, have no access to equal education, employment, justice and right to live a dignified life will massively benefit if some politician raises a storm in the cup tea by asking for a certain clause in the constitution. I rather take my leader's initialisation of secularism which is by passing local level bills for rights and protection of minority, access to education and equal opportunities. This is the type of warm up you need for a big match and without doing his bit in a local level, he should be the last person to speak about change of constitution. Actions always speaks louder than words and no constitution reform much not be opportunity for politicians to have their 15 minutes fame.
The guy who cannot even convince people on his War policies, will have the entire nation behind for a constitution reform? Yes he might earn his lost fan in you, and is that it? I know what uncle Pasha will definitely say in that case, oh here speaks the Jewish agent, sixty year old playboy with half white children who cannot even bring peace in his province wants Pakistani constitution to match kuffer West. Must be the yahoodi saazish. And of course, I didn't know you place so much authority in Taliban.
Forgive me for not living a fantasy bubble that Pakistan while in a state of deadly war will bother even consider change of constitution. I would rather they start closing illegal madarras and bringing the remaining under the state control. If you have studied your books and agree, secularisation is slow and gradual process, I see no reason why you should disagree with this.
And no PD, I'm not one those souls. You can quit worrying about me and stop making veiled insults. You certainly screamed quite hard when I made an assumption about you in another thread, but looks like it's a habit of yours too.
I'm a secular, democracy loving, leftist, stubborn pacifist hippie. Hopefully this will calm you down. Chip on the shoulder mentality won't suit you, so let it go.
Did I hit a nerve PD? I'm amused by your defensiveness. For a guy who pretends to appear so cool and always blames others for getting offended can certainly get worked up when someone doesn't say yes to his yes.
Sure keep harping about how many books you've read about European History, and I can tell you from whatever I've read, people like you never managed to bring any change. Before suggesting I should read my books again, I'd be helpful if you can just read my post again. People like you just focus on quick cosmetic changes as show off and to gain feel good factor, that's why real changes never occur. Yes a mere change in constitution that non Muslim people can become a head of state will miraculously make Pakistan a heaven on earth for minorities. The tiny population of minority (which what 3-4% of total population?) lives below poverty line in ghettos, have no access to equal education, employment, justice and right to live a dignified life will massively benefit if some politician raises a storm in the cup tea by asking for a certain clause in the constitution. I rather take my leader's initialisation of secularism which is by passing local level bills for rights and protection of minority, access to education and equal opportunities. This is the type of warm up you need for a big match and without doing his bit in a local level, he should be the last person to speak about change of constitution. Actions always speaks louder than words and no constitution reform much not be opportunity for politicians to have their 15 minutes fame.
The guy who cannot even convince people on his War policies, will have the entire nation behind for a constitution reform? Yes he might earn his lost fan in you, and is that it? I know what uncle Pasha will definitely say in that case, oh here speaks the Jewish agent, sixty year old playboy with half white children who cannot even bring peace in his province wants Pakistani constitution to match kuffer West. Must be the yahoodi saazish. And of course, I didn't know you place so much authority in Taliban.
Forgive me for not living a fantasy bubble that Pakistan while in a state of deadly war will bother even consider change of constitution. I would rather they start closing illegal madarras and bringing the remaining under the state control. If you have studied your books and agree, secularisation is slow and gradual process, I see no reason why you should disagree with this.
And no PD, I'm not one those souls. You can quit worrying about me and stop making veiled insults. You certainly screamed quite hard when I made an assumption about you in another thread, but looks like it's a habit of yours too.
I'm a secular, democracy loving, leftist hippie. Hopefully this will calm you down. Chip on the shoulder mentality won't suit you, so let it go.
"The tiny population of minority (which what 3-4% of total population?) lives below poverty line in ghettos, have no access to equal education, employment, justice and right to live a dignified life will massively benefit if some politician raises a storm in the cup tea by asking for a certain clause in the constitution"
exactly my point...but lets get a bit more deep...
India has similar problems, Brazil has similar problems...rest of the LAM is plagued with these issues...most of the ASEAN region as well...
.but have tourists stopped coming to these countries? answer is NO....
have investors stopped making investments in these countries? the answer is NO.....
have majority of their citizens declined visas to the USA or Europe? the answer is NO
does world bank/ADB require some really major collateral to invest in infrastructure projects in these countries? the answer is NO
and......................
the answer is YESSSSSSSSSSSSS for Pakistan for all of these questions..that is the million dollar question? we need to fix that root cause so that investors can come ... so that tourists start coming...so that our citizens can travel easily....so that we can become a proper partner of the international community
and what is that root cause? i am sure you know the answer
anyway, not sure who has hit whose nerve....lol..so lets just leave it there...it is getting late where you are and it is still the weekend..so stay blessed!
"The tiny population of minority (which what 3-4% of total population?) lives below poverty line in ghettos, have no access to equal education, employment, justice and right to live a dignified life will massively benefit if some politician raises a storm in the cup tea by asking for a certain clause in the constitution"
exactly my point...but lets get a bit more deep...
India has similar problems, Brazil has similar problems...rest of the LAM is plagued with these issues...most of the ASEAN region as well...
.but have tourists stopped coming to these countries? answer is NO....
have investors stopped making investments in these countries? the answer is NO.....
have majority of their citizens declined visas to the USA or Europe? the answer is NO
does world bank/ADB require some really major collateral to invest in infrastructure projects in these countries? the answer is NO
and......................
the answer is YESSSSSSSSSSSSS for Pakistan for all of these questions..that is the million dollar question? we need to fix that root cause so that investors can come ... so that tourists start coming...so that our citizens can travel easily....so that we can become a proper partner of the international community
and what is that root cause? i am sure you know the answer
anyway, not sure who has hit whose nerve....lol..so lets just leave it there...it is getting late where you are and it is still the weekend..so stay blessed!
....Except India and Brazil are not at war! Conclude this war tomorrow, and I'm sure Pakistan will finally catch its breath to talk about whole load of other important issues.
Since I have identified myself as secular, I'd like to hope and advocate that whenever Pakistan does talk about Constitution Reform, it is genuinely aimed at the people of the land, to ensure the betterment of minorities and protect the rights of all citizens, in order to achieve a free and fairer society. Not to attract tourists and foreign investors. That should be one of the many subsequent benefits, not the the main purpose.
....Except India and Brazil are not at war! Conclude this war tomorrow, and I'm sure Pakistan will finally catch its breath to talk about whole load of other important issues.
Since I have identified myself as secular, I'd like to hope and advocate that whenever Pakistan does talk about Constitution Reform, it is genuinely aimed at the people of the land, to ensure the betterment of minorities and protect the rights of all citizens, in order to achieve a free and fairer society. Not to attract tourists and foreign investors. That should be one of the many subsequent benefits, not the the main purpose.
yeah we know India and Brazil are not at war....so it means we are at war as you correctly pointed out..and if we are at war we need to be united not divided!
and we did try to negotiate and finish the war but taliban dont want to...but you are obviously not going to agree to it .... anyway enough of this chicken or the egg cuaslaity dilemma type discussion . I know where you stand and i hope you stand my position.
and i do feel like i am working for the US senate trying to negotiate a bill with the opposition....but yes, based on what you have said in last few posts, we do have enough common points....secular outlook and what not...but lets hope you actually believe in it...and act the same way.
For instance, i would have expected you to raise voice when PTI did not allow malala book to be launched....
and i also hope that you support the move that any hindu/christian can be PM or president of Pakistan and that Pakistan constitution should not be based on sharia/muslim laws because that is not fair to minorities.
That was a terrible show. The editing was so horrendous that it seemed as if it was a Hasan Nisar monologue. The other guys got a total of 5 minutes I think.
I like hasan nisar but he does get a little repetitive and a lot impatient. It seems that he is jumping from one brilliant one liner to the next in order to show the absurdity of the religious dimwits he is facing. His impatience with the prevalent outlook on religion seems to bar him from indulging in a focused discussion. But that is the fashion of these shows where the hosts are bloody amateurs who can't conduct a focused discussion and the guest are generally dimwits who are just filling the insatiable appetite of our newfound entertainment industry that is political shows. The only guy who was on message was salman akram raja who, along with babar sattar, is always brilliant, to the point and a pleasure to hear.
As far as offering a solution goes, hasan nisar always stresses the need for education and a popular uprising to rid us of mafias whether they be waderas or molvis. Additionally, he says that a reduced sense of self importance and a willingness to be in sync with the world, as it is and not as we would like it, will go a long way. In a nutshell, less talk of our past and present greatness and a lot more work.
For those who think suicide attacks in Pakistan and TTP's acceptance of responsibility are just western conspiracies against these great mujahids, it would be interesting to see your reaction if a relative of yours was actually a victim of one of these attacks. Would you still find excuses for these idiots when they took responsibility?
