Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
Only an immage of Jang today .Comments of a supporter of PTI , He said childish but actually he mean it foolish
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
yeah we know India and Brazil are not at war....so it means we are at war as you correctly pointed out..and if we are at war we need to be united not divided!
and we did try to negotiate and finish the war but taliban dont want to...but you are obviously not going to agree to it .... anyway enough of this chicken or the egg cuaslaity dilemma type discussion . I know where you stand and i hope you stand my position.
Most people are united in their quest to seek a speedy end to this long war and find a lasting peace. I have yet to any public figure or Pakistani who doesn't want this. Of course such positive little good thought is not enough to unite people, if someone proposes a slightly different exist strategy, then that must mean the end of the world. I would like to believe that the constitution you are hoping to see in Pakistan includes a clause or two on freedom of expression and right to disagree in a democracy.
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and i do feel like i am working for the US senate trying to negotiate a bill with the opposition....but yes, based on what you have said in last few posts, we do have enough common points....secular outlook and what not...but lets hope you actually believe in it...and act the same way.
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There is no 'opposition', you are just trying really hard to find one and turn into a some kind of defence.
I appreciate your curiosity and interest in what I believe and what I'd do, but you know what PD, people like me are not even least of Pakistan's problems, when it comes to Parliament doing what it's supposed to do - passing legislation. Your self important scepticism is hardly satisfying, but just to let you know in a hope of securing your much needed approval and blessings, yes I will sure act on what I believe if I ever formally become a part of the system.
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For instance, i would have expected you to raise voice when PTI did not allow malala book to be launched....
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....Now you've already made me feel like a part of the system, except I'm not (yet). In regards to your question, I believe I did and that was a clear case of mismanagement and communication breakdown between senior PTI members and government officials. I applaud Imran for coming National TV to admit that this was terrible mistake and promised a never repeat of the anything like this. Had Imran tried to give any nonsensical Mickey Mouse excuse, I would've certainly kicked a signature style fuss. But leave that aside, in my previous post, I stated how PTI is actually doing something about the betterment of minority at local level (as proper initialisation of the process) but strangely enough, a person who appears to be so concerned and committed to minority cause didn't even find that piece of information important enough (two paragraphs ago, you were talking about unity?) Now here's I'm hoping you actually have an ideological commitment to this cause on humanistic basis, and not just cheering for a quick cosmetic constitutional tweaks to impress the world and attract tourists. I'm sure there's a massive chance of insulting the minorities with such type of thinking.
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and i also hope that you support the move that any hindu/christian can be PM or president of Pakistan and that Pakistan constitution should not be based on sharia/muslim laws because that is not fair to minorities.
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I indeed hope and pray that happens, I thought I made that pretty clear in my previous posts. If you are not reading my posts properly or willing to agree with my approach, then there's only so much I can do, and frankly speaking, I cannot be bothered about it for so long.
Have a good day.
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
As far as offering a solution goes, hasan nisar always stresses the need for education and a popular uprising to rid us of mafias whether they be waderas or molvis. Additionally, he says that a reduced sense of self importance and a willingness to be in sync with the world, as it is and not as we would like it, will go a long way. In a nutshell, less talk of our past and present greatness and a lot more work.
That's the gist of his argument which may not have much attraction for those basking in the undead glory of the past and unwilling to face the challenges ahead. Our religious orientation has been made to believe that Islam and science cannot co-exist, or at least they don't have to.
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
I do read posts before responding…but like i said before , lets see if you really mean it when you say you are of secular mindset and the reason i am saying this is because if you are really leftist, anti-imperialism and secular as you claimed ( and i am sure u are) then i am sorry but PTI shd not be your party…
do you know Pakistani politics? believe me i am not trying to be rude here but i hope you understand that PTI does rightist politics just like PMLN…As Islam of the former dictator Gen Zia ul Haq has disillusioned everyone in Pakistan especially those who were born after 70, PTI made some deliberate moves in 2010/2011 and moved to far right and since then has been testing new tools and tactics to inundate the country’s streets with its forthcoming ‘tsunami’…if you dont beleive me ask Ali Syed or other posters who understand Pakistani politics …is PTI doing rightist politics like PMLN or not?
on one end you claim that you are of secular mindset and that you believe that Pakistani constitution shd not be derived from islamic jurisprudence but on the other end you support PTI who is a rightist party and who is in alliance with JI…ahh
from an analogy perspective … you claim to be leftist, secular, anti-imperialist but you are supporting Bush-type*/*Newt Gingrich](Newt Gingrich - Wikipedia)…jesus christ!
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
Now here's I'm hoping you actually have an ideological commitment to this cause on humanistic basis, and not just cheering for a quick cosmetic constitutional tweaks to impress the world and attract tourists. I'm sure there's a massive chance of insulting the minorities with such type of thinking.
sorry but you are misrepresenting me on continuous basis..you are mixing up stuff.
I never said and for sure never meant to state that cosmetic constitutional tweaks shd be done to impress the world and attract tourists.....sorry, that is completely wrong.
Firstly, It is quite naive to even assume that tourists/foreighn investment will start to come once we have some constitutional amendments to curb terrorism or promote secularism. Tourists/foreign investment do not care about amendments..they want to see ground realities.
If there is a peaceful situation in the country they will come even if a dictator is in rule...meaning that we need to do some practical steps - besides constitutional amendments - in next 6 months to restore at least a minimally-viable operating environment that India and brazil have and we dont (as I alluded to in my original post) so that the foreign investment starts to kick in and more importantly our own investors can also start investing in the country ...
... and what are those practical steps that can be done in next 6 months? ...well our army and political fraternity shd be united in getting rid of this cancer called taliban via a military operation, shut down all suspected madrassas, talk to the middle east to stop funding to these madrassas etc. ..now who is responsible for not doing all this ... separate discussion and we both know each others position.
Constitutional amendments and all other parliamentary/education syllabus work shd be done in parallel with full ideological commitment ofcourse **to set the country on a firm footing for a secular mindset** and r*eligiously-tolerable environment* but that will of course take much more time...
that is all!
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
I know my politics.
People on this forum and Pakistanis in general throw around any random, ill matched, self satisfying tags for no reason, and I don’t take them seriously at all. Nope. Simply don’t care about it. For example, the kid who calls himself liberal here and considers himself some kind of torch barrier for freedom is often the first one to shout banning of parties and rallies because they don’t represent his views. I mean most sexist dimwits here try to pass off as liberals. Ask Uncle Pasha (bless him) and he’d probably say I’m a Zionist because Imran has ex Jewish in laws. Mullah birgade will call me Kafir because I wear Western clothes and the liberal fascists will just call me a straight up terrorist because I thought Peace Talks must be given a chance before there’s an ultimate operation. So really I have no interest in taking any of these tags and labels seriously.
Unlike most Pakistanis, I also don’t get impressed by political sloganeering and take them as a word straight out of Bible and write my verdict in stone. For me policies matter and as a lefty, I can see and appreciate the welfare work PTI is doing in KPK. Some the legislative framework they are providing and working on is on par with the first ever socialist civil reconstruction Britain experienced under Clement Atlee’s Labour Government in 1945. It’d be quite foolish to ignore such ground realities just because his opponents cannot look beyond google images of him and JI leaders. While you are at it, perhaps you can educate me to what extent JI is involved every PTI led reform and to what degree everything is a joint venture. Besides foreign policy of course.
So far I have not detected any proposed radicalisation of KPK. In fact the Six Point Agenda, massive increase of Education budget, specialising of Higher Education, building and reconstruction of schools and launching of massive scale enrolling of students is commendable. Their reform and total unification of syllabus to get rid class based educational system is every leftist’s dream come true. I am secular therefore can appreciate the importance of education which is without a doubt, always a primary step towards changing the fabric of any society. I’m glad that I don’t see any burqa law in KPK instead I see coming of law that maximises employment opportunities to increase their chances of economic mobility. Depoliticisation of police, Anti Corruption and Accountability and Right to Information Act, change of recruitment processes in Civil Services to help attract qualified candidates doesn’t scream right wing leaning. While you appeared so upset over Malala’s book banning, I didn’t see you appreciating KPK’s historic anti polio drive which is now being replicated in Sindh.
Moreover, PTI’s reforms in areas like Health, Local Government, Environment, Housing is praiseworthy. While they may have lost the plot of foreign policy, they have done and are doing plenty of things right in KPK. It’s the extreme right wing fanatics who don’t want to appreciate or even acknowledge their efforts . In fact there wouldn’t be any confusion about PTI’s political leaning if some of them were actually following the local policies and reforms. I can literally jot down five hundred and fifty policies, Acts and Reforms to show PTI’s left leaning. While you have nothing other than saying oh he and JI have shared the platform to in anti drone protest, (Newsflash: NA twice passed unanimous resolutions against drones plus countless appeals to UN). You will say, JI and PTI supports Peace Talks (APC anyone?). You will now say oh Taliban nominated him as a mediator (well that’s your problem for placing so much moral authority in Taliban and taking their words on board).
Imran has always maintained his stance against American invasion of Afghanistan since day one, vehemently condemned Pakistani army and politicians for creating and nurturing these monsters for some dollars. He’s not on Saudi Arabia’s payroll nor any special Saudi Prince invites him to the Kingdom or pays him any special visit. Even his hopelessly bitter opponents aren’t exactly confused regarding his anti imperialist policies.
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
I know my politics.
People on this forum and Pakistanis in general throw around any random, ill matched, self satisfying tags for no reason, and I don't take them seriously at all. Nope. Simply don't care about it. For example, the kid who calls himself liberal here and considers himself some kind of torch barrier for freedom is often the first one to shout banning of parties and rallies because they don't represent his views. I mean most sexist dimwits here try to pass off as liberals. Ask Uncle Pasha (bless him) and he'd probably say I'm a Zionist because Imran has ex Jewish in laws. Mullah birgade will call me Kafir because I wear Western clothes and the liberal fascists will just call me a straight up terrorist because I thought Peace Talks must be given a chance before there's an ultimate operation. So really I have no interest in taking any of these tags and labels seriously.
Unlike most Pakistanis, I also don't get impressed by political sloganeering and take them as a word straight out of Bible and write my verdict in stone. For me policies matter and as a lefty, I can see and appreciate the welfare work PTI is doing in KPK. Some the legislative framework they are providing and working on is on par with the first ever socialist civil reconstruction Britain experienced under Clement Atlee's Labour Government in 1945. It'd be quite foolish to ignore such ground realities just because his opponents cannot look beyond google images of him and JI leaders. While you are at it, perhaps you can educate me to what extent JI is involved every PTI led reform and to what degree everything is a joint venture. Besides foreign policy of course.
So far I have not detected any proposed radicalisation of KPK. In fact the Six Point Agenda, massive increase of Education budget, specialising of Higher Education, building and reconstruction of schools and launching of massive scale enrolling of students is commendable. Their reform and total unification of syllabus to get rid class based educational system is every leftist's dream come true. I am secular therefore can appreciate the importance of education which is without a doubt, always a primary step towards changing the fabric of any society. I'm glad that I don't see any burqa law in KPK instead I see coming of law that maximises employment opportunities to increase their chances of economic mobility. Depoliticisation of police, Anti Corruption and Accountability and Right to Information Act, change of recruitment processes in Civil Services to help attract qualified candidates doesn't scream right wing leaning. While you appeared so upset over Malala's book banning, I didn't see you appreciating KPK's historic anti polio drive which is now being replicated in Sindh.
Moreover, PTI's reforms in areas like Health, Local Government, Environment, Housing is praiseworthy. While they may have lost the plot of foreign policy, they have done and are doing plenty of things right in KPK. It's the extreme right wing fanatics who don't want to appreciate or even acknowledge their efforts . In fact there wouldn't be any confusion about PTI's political leaning if some of them were actually following the local policies and reforms. I can literally jot down five hundred and fifty policies, Acts and Reforms to show PTI's left leaning. While you have nothing other than saying oh he and JI have shared the platform to in anti drone protest, (Newsflash: NA twice passed unanimous resolutions against drones plus countless appeals to UN). You will say, JI and PTI supports Peace Talks (APC anyone?). You will now say oh Taliban nominated him as a mediator (well that's your problem for placing so much moral authority in Taliban and taking their words on board).
Imran has always maintained his stance against American invasion of Afghanistan since day one, vehemently condemned Pakistani army and politicians for creating and nurturing these monsters for some dollars. He's not on Saudi Arabia's payroll nor any special Saudi Prince invites him to the Kingdom or pays him any special visit. Even his hopelessly bitter opponents aren't exactly confused regarding his anti imperialist policies.
thx
We have stated our respective positions on several issues ....I dont agree with everything that you said but appreciate the response.
Re: Hassan Nisar totally owns Orya Maqbool Jan
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Meray Mutabiq 23 Feb 2014**](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1d63eb_meraymutabiq23feb2014_news)
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In Pakistan, You are not sane enough if you haven’t been declared kafir by mullahs!
Anyone trying to create confusion these days is an enemy of the state. We should stand by our armed forces
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