^^ I think you are all going in circles based on made up stories. Varoom could not point to any particalar paish-goi by Hameed gul that would have protected Arab terrorists bombed to death by drones in Miran Shah.
Funny that you all live in the West while practically slaving for your survival. Your feet walk towards West, and your mouths go East.
Isn't it the height of confusion? How many Hameed Guls you have produced among your community who were able to do good for you and your children? None! nada! zilch.
After 7/7 London bombing, and self-burning doctors at Glasgow airport, how many of you want your children, and your younger siblings to copy and carry anti-West paranoia?
But you are egging us in Pakistan to take Hameed guls as our leaders and Rah-Numa.
Why you do think Pakistan has to be anti-West while you all serve the West? Why is this doghla-pun in the thinking of non-resident-Pakistanis?
Why you do think Pakistan has to be anti-West while you all serve the West? Why is this doghla-pun in the thinking of non-resident-Pakistanis?
While you blame all non-resident Pakistanis of doghla-pun please show us how sincere are Pakistanis living in Pakistan voting for likes of Zardari, Altaf Hussein, Nawaz Sharif?
^^ burkaposh misguided male/female, a Pakistan living in west doesnt have to change his mind and idealogy to work for survival. while politically opposing the west policies( many western also do that), not all want to condone or agree with people blowing themselves up.
One doesnt has to blow things up to follow hameed gul policies, he doesnt condone such acts. because you have made up your mind that he is al qaeda person certainly you know more than CIA and ISI otherwise he would have been arrested by now and facing them in a terror cell.
Lets not make this a pakistanis living in pakistan vs pakistani living outside of Pakistan debate please. antiobl, your theories would prolly apply to those who dont vote republican and arent even Pakistani, right?
While you blame all non-resident Pakistanis of doghla-pun please show us how sincere are Pakistanis living in Pakistan voting for likes of Zardari, Altaf Hussein, Nawaz Sharif?
If you care to notice Ehtasab bro! you will find them as mirror images of non-resident Pakistanis.
Here is how.
Zardari the most pro-West leader at this stage and he is the top guy.
Altaf Hussain is British citizen. Nuf said.
NS is not elected and holds no position. You know why? we consider him dangerous for the country. Sure if he changes his tune and becomes pro-West like Non-Resident Pakistanis, we may put him in some suitable position. His brother is not a lose canon, so he is CM right now.
Hope you got the answer.
p.s. It was your assertion that anyone "blames all NRPs". Go back and see the the previous post. The symbol ^^ points to those who support anti-West Hameed Ghul while living in the West. That's clearly doghla pun. I hope you got it now.
If you care to notice Ehtasab bro! you will find them as mirror images of non-resident Pakistanis.
Here is how.
Zardari the most pro-West leader at this stage and he is the top guy.
Altaf Hussain is British citizen. Nuf said.
NS is not elected and holds no position. You know why? we consider him dangerous for the country. Sure if he changes his tune and becomes pro-West like Non-Resident Pakistanis, we may put him in some suitable position. His brother is not a lose canon, so he is CM right now.
Hope you got the answer.
p.s. It was your assertion that anyone "blames all NRPs". Go back and see the the previous post. The symbol ^^ points to those who support anti-West Hameed Ghul while living in the West. That's clearly doghla pun. I hope you got it now.
Zardari is not the most pro-West "leader", he is most pro-$$$ leader whatever be the source.
Is Altaf Hussein not Pakistani citizen as well? He runs MQM remotely, nuf said??
"holds no position..... We consider him dangerous" is simply laughable, its only Musharraf grudge against him which kept NS out otherwise he'd be sitting in Parliament now, YOU have no control over that.
So the point was, which got lost somewhere, not "ALL" NRPs support Gul and not all oppose him either.
If you care to notice Ehtasab bro! you will find them as mirror images of non-resident Pakistanis.
Here is how.
Zardari the most pro-West leader at this stage and he is the top guy.
Altaf Hussain is British citizen. Nuf said.
NS is not elected and holds no position. You know why? we consider him dangerous for the country. Sure if he changes his tune and becomes pro-West like Non-Resident Pakistanis, we may put him in some suitable position. His brother is not a lose canon, so he is CM right now.
Hope you got the answer.
p.s. It was your assertion that anyone "blames all NRPs". Go back and see the the previous post. The symbol ^^ points to those who support anti-West Hameed Ghul while living in the West. That's clearly doghla pun. I hope you got it now.
Do you really think that Nawaz and Hamid Gul are anti-west? Actually, both of them are 'right wing' personalities and more pro-west than Zardari or Altaf. Only problem is that they are expert in deceit, so they lie about themselves, especially Nawaz.
It was USA (under Clinton) that used 'Saudi Arabia and Lebanon connections' to save Nawaz from Pakistani dungeon in 2000. Nawaz is considered as 'lap-dog' of Clinton. According to American diplomat 'Talbot', Nawaz started sweating in front of American President (Clinton) when Clinton started shouting at him in anger. There is report that Shahbaz took Zia-ud-din to America to get their approval before appointing him as Army chief. It is most likely that the reason Nawaz along with PMLN members keep trying to malign and weaken Pakistan army is due to American directions. It was also first time that USA started warning military of an independent country (during mid 1999) from staging military coup in the country, and it was first time that American President (Clinton) became so upset with Pakistani military ruler that during visit to Pakistan, he did not even meet Pakistani head of state (just because military deposed their 'lap-dog' Nawaz).
As for Hamid Gul, he is a person in distraught. Throughout 90s, he was licking American bum along with Zia, and was doing all what Americans were commanding him. These people even sold Islam to USA, calling American proxy war in Afghanistan as jihad and Afghan rebels supported by USA as Mujahadeens. Unfortunately, after demise of Russia, America has changed their attitude towards those he used against Russia, so these American stooges are showing their displeasure, feeling betrayed by their Master. If today USA would throw some bones to them, they would start singing American songs again.
2.00 AM is very intimate time, reserved for people with intimate relationship. At 2.00 AM, a person only calls those with whom they have close friendship, or those they love and respect.:halo:. No one calls their slaves, servants, subordinates, or lap-dogs at 2 AM
You know what lap-dogs do? They make statements like the one below. You can also find a famous picture of the president below holding a black lap dog with Musharrafs face on it
Each and every individual Pakistani was in favour of his winning, each and every one. I don’t think there could be a single Pakistani who was against him — Musharraf On US President George W Bush’s election win
Are you saying Mush had intimate relationship with Condoleeza Rice? I hope Mrs Musharraf is not reading this. Besides 2:00AM phone call was not out of love as you are trying to make it.
Actually, what I believe, it was because America and Pakistan are allied to each other, and thus are considered friend. 2 AM in Pakistan is mid day in Washington and Pakistan being close ally, Rice rang Musharraf without thinking of time and international protocol. I am sure that if she had gone through her department, ringing to non-ally country, she would not have made a call without thinking about time in Pakistan.
Do you really think that Nawaz and Hamid Gul are anti-west? Actually, both of them are 'right wing' personalities and more pro-west than Zardari or Altaf. ...
So many conspiracies, so many stories. Where to start? Oh man! where to start.
Dont blame wahabis and shias......you forget islam was imported into the indian sub-continent .....and so is democracy and secularism.....
Pakistanis have majority Sunnis (roughly 70%), Shias (roughly 25%) and the rest are mixed religions like Christians, Hindus etc.
The problem of importing Wahabi Islam and Shia Islam started with Iranian revolution. When Khomeni toppled Shah of Iran. Khomeni used oil money and a virluent propaganda against everything non-Shia. Pakistani Shias had the religious duty to follow the "Imam Khomeni" while some non-Shia Pakistani-socialists followed Khomeni because of his anti-Americanism.
The result was the formation of Shia-militant organizations who openly challenged Sunni majority. Sunni majority responded by relying on Wahabi Islam imported from Saudi Arabia.
While the two sects fought their proxy wars in Pakistan, another war was being fought in Afghanistan, namely anti-communist war.
Hameed Gul is the product of these proxy wars that were fought in Afghanistan and Pakistan. His analysis point emanates from pro-Wahabi pro-Taliban stance.
Sad thing is that both Pakistani-Wahabi supporters and Pakistani-Shia supporters forget that they should not be the pawns in the proxy war between Saudia and Iran.
The problem with Hameed Gul is that he has been two long of a leash by Pakistani army. The reason is that there are other generals who are closet sympathizers of the imported Wahabi-Islam.
Hameed Gul should have been put in jail from day one for inciting anti-Pakistan hysteria. Other proxy fighters both Wahabi and Shia should have been sent to Pakistani gulags too. We didn't do that, and the result has been horrible in the form of Sunni-Shia violence and suicide bombings.
@burqa thingy look leaving all of that out there is no good reason to pursue a witch hunt in pakistan. hameed gul what ever his preferences is a bloke that has some integrity and honesty. i just find it amazing that there are those of u around who think oh he says this oh he believes that lets lock him up. its a terrible mindset
Also it would not-naive if you can dig thru and find out what was doled out at 2:00AM “friendly” call . You acknowledge yourself that no thought of time and protocol was given when she called him, you don’t do that to friends (Rice and Musharraf are not REALLY friends).
When we talk about Nation, we do not talk about friendship of individuals. Regardless of Musharraf and Rice were friends or not, call was not made between personal friends, but call was between friends as Nation. Pakistan and USA are old time ally, and such official calls between representatives of these two countries is possible. As long as there are reasons for the call, one should not make a story out of it.
[What I remember, Israel was under pressure during Arab-Israel 1973 war, so they rang USA for arms airlift when it was night in USA. President Nixon was sleeping, still he was awaken to attend the call and was asked by Israel to help by giving permission to start arms airlift, and Nixon did. No one made an issue out of that call.]
Anyhow, coming to Condi and Musharraf phone call, what I remember, it was early August, night before the day there was grand peace jirga in Afghanistan. Musharraf decided not to attend Jirga and send Shaukat Aziz. Obviously, that must be shock for USA who wanted Musharraf to attend Jirga. Here is the news.
From above news, it is obvious that Musharraf decided not to attend Jiirga on the eve of 8 Aug. Jirga was to start in the morning of 9th. By the time, news reached USA and they looked into the matter, they must have decided to ring President Musharraf and request him to attend Jirga.
Obviously, Condi Rice as Secretary of State must have been told to ring Musharraf and request him to change his plan. She rang same evening, but by the time it was night in Pakistan. No big deal. Here is what USA told about her call that was published in Pakistani newspapers same day Musharraf decision not to attend Grand Peace Jirga was published. Obviously, if Condi wanted Musharraf to change his decision, calling him next day would have been too late.
Anyhow, President Musharraf did not go to Jirga on 9th August (even though American kept requesting). Condi and other American officials kept ringing Musharraf on 9th and 10th August, requesting Musharraf to attend Jirga. In the end, Musharraf went to Afghanistan on 10th August to attend last session of Jirga. Here is the news.
Anyhow, for those with sick mind, they need something for propaganda. Unfortunately, there was some news they used to fulfil their desire of propaganda. News is that, there was talk going on in capital that PMLQ Government wanted Musharraf to declare emergency in the country, and Musharraf was ready to declare that emergency. Probably that was the reason, Musharraf decided not to attend Jirga. Timing coincides with Jirga that gave propagandist their opportunity. Here is news:
Washington declared that President Bush played a role urging Musharraf not to impose emergency. Note, according to news, the person who urged Musharraf was not Condi but Bush, and since emergency talk was going on for some time, it is possible that Bush must be urging Musharraf since some time. It is also possible that Condi must have talked to Musharraf about that too … maybe in her conversation on phone, that could be on 9th August, as she did made many calls after night of 8th August, requesting Musharraf to attend Jirga. Anyhow, here is news:
Now, after knowing all above backgrounds, some retarded mind started doing propaganda that Condi rang at night of 8th August and told Musharraf not to declare emergency. According to one propagandist, Musharraf was thinking to declare emergency at 3 AM … as it seems that to this propagandist, Musharraf was planning to get up at 3 AM from sleep to pass water, and during that time, he was intending to declare emergency … but fate was smiling and thus Condi Rice phone call came at 2 AM to tell Musharraf not to do that, so he did not.
Anyhow, even if USA played role in stopping Musharraf from declaring emergency in August 2007, and Musharraf got convinced, it could not be a big deal. Obviously, if Musharraf agreed, it was not his weakness or his not taking American pressure, but has to be his own decision. If he did not declared emergency due to American pressure than he would not have declared emergency 3 months later in November too, as there was same American pressure on him in November. Musharraf declaration of emergency in November, shows that whatever he did in August, it was his own decision and not due to any pressure.
Brother, one cannot do anything about such low life propagandist, on the payroll of their corrupt Masters. These people are la-ilaaj. I can only tell you that since you are an intelligent person, think before believing BS coming out of propagandists, and probably agents of corrupts
Please don’t think that Bangadesh is “bhooki nangi government”, They are Muslim and we have a good relationship with them. I am sure if we request Bangladesh to provide us some help they would consider helping us.
Conspiracy Theories? Where the hell have you been? I hate to say it but you have no idea what game is being played behind the curtain. It involves, USA, NATO, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and India.
1st of all no one knows if bin Laden is still alive. If he is still alive what condition is he in? Is he really working for Islam or is he another American Agent working for CIA. These are some huge question comes in mind when talk about 9/11 and terrorism in the world.
Let’s dig little deeper and find the truth that US Government doesn’t wants people to know. Since 9/11 American Media (FOX News) and US Government has spread lies about 9/11 and Terrorism. Is it really war on Terror or just some agenda by American government to occupy and steal the Oil from Iraq and natural gas and control the drugs (heroin) traffic from Afghanistan. off course Western government, Bush, Blair, Saudi Party and Mr. Musharraf were all involve in this.
Your information is coming from News Media (News papers, TV news, FOX, CNN). This is exactly what they want to tell you. They wouldn’t tell you that 911 was preplanned, Fake Bin Laden video, attacking Iraq without any weapons of mass destructions, millions of Iraqi died during 12 years of sanctions and thousand have died since 2nd Iraq war. Do you see that in Fox news? New Media will only tell you what they want you to know, nothing more, nothing less. Do you get your info from anywhere else? Hamid Gul is ex-ISI agent, I am sure he has informant in Afghan Army, Taliban, and Pakistani Army.
I hope Mrs Musharraf is not reading this. Besides 2:00AM phone call was not out of love as you are trying to make it.
. You acknowledge yourself that no thought of time and protocol was given when she called him, you don’t do that to friends (Rice and Musharraf are not REALLY friends).