Hamid Gul: Qaeda's man in Pakistan

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hameed gul does not support extremist ideollogies, he merely recognises the conspiracies against pakistan the main objective of it being lead into a civil war that it does not want to fight. a war which makes extremists and does nothing to fight extremists. indeed it is questionable who are the extremists in all this

hameed gul wishes for the people of pakistan to remain azad, to remain sovereign, to retain their strength. that is the sign of a patriot. hameed gul's patriotism is unrivalled and no joker who barely understands general gul's subtle language can even begin to question his patriotism

hameed gul is a national treasure, who is privy to information about pakistans strategic interests and the threats to them. furthermore he knows america could not attack pakistan directly without bringing it to its knees beforehand. therefore he argues that pakistan should have opted out of WOT, remained independent and remained strong

abbass: you have a severe weakness. you only need to be told that such and such a group killed shias for you to launch a counter gihad on them and all that recognises them. you have wronged rt gen H Gul and should apologise before this thread is laid to rest. 'islamic extremism' is being fabricated by conditions of the world geo political situation and YOU yourself should look at your own threads in WA. you will clearly see that you too can be labled as politically motivated on the edge of extremism. 'prince abbass extremist' - sound fair?

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the only reason pakistan remains in WOT is dollars and sticks. so go figure if pakistan would be warring if it was independent

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I think bro you are confusing the pre-1980

Interesting! So you ar saying that he is not a patriotic person, but what have you got to make such a strong charge? Please dont refer to his analytical interviews that he has sympathies with Taliban, as I said previously, you cannot apprehend anyone on the basis of his ideologies. Tomorrow if Dr. A.Q. Khan or Mirza Aslam Baig or any other ex-official sympathize with Taliban, will you throw them out of your "Patriotic" boundary as well???

The most funny part is, the person who handed over hundreds of Pakistanis to foreign countries against dollars and shamelessly admits in his book as well, he is a so-called patriotic to you while not Hameed Gul!!

What is Wahabi Islam??? Only a bunch of people use this terminology, not sure why. There is only Islam and a person can either be a muslim or a non-muslim. Now as per your interpretation, should I consider him a muslim or no?

Dude, are you saying that if someone had been in army or any other post, he MUST agree with the latest policy forever? Hello !!! He is a retired person and under what article or constitution should he always agree with the state's policy?? Is it an army rule, a judiciary rule, or ......... I think its your rule...

Every individual is free to think or say what his/her perception is. You can disagree but dont go that far plz..

Again Wahabi Islam? I'm sorry but I only know Islam. Not sure why you use this term again and again.

So he is shameless because he deviates from Govt. policies of favoring USA blindly, he opposes the policy of Pakistan army v/s people and he doesnt believe that taliban can be the people behind 9/11. While all other crooks who had been ruling and plundering pakistan are not shameless..

Dude, he was a world accepted general, not "supposed to be" and yes he is taliban-sympathizer , not "terror-sympathizer", and that doesnt kick him out of the list of Patriotic and gentelman. As I said earlier, do disagree with him but dont go that far plz

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If you don't know the difference bro then either you are simply trying to ignore the 900 pound gorilla in the room, or you need do some serious reading on the current trends in Islam.

If you see a TB patient, how would you characterize him? As TB stricken or small pox stricken?

In Pakistan we have had two warring factions within Islamic sects for the last 20 years now. And still you want to hide your head in the sand? Do you know who those warring sects are? Do you know why Pakistani-Shias and Pakistani-Sunnies are killing each other?

Do you know who supports militant wings in Pakistani-Shias? Iranians.

Do you know who supports militant wings in Pakistani-Sunnis? Wahabis among Arabs.

It is time we all opened our eyes to the foreign-religious invasion of Pakistan. It is time we recognize that Wahabi talibans have invaded our country long before Americans showed up in Afghanistan. If you don't recognize the facts then you are doomed to live in ignorance.

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I don't understand why people are turning this discussion into a religious one.

Religion does not matter when it comes to people supporting terrorism against Muslims. Hamid Gul and his ilk are against the democratic system, and support the oppressive Talibanic rule. It does not matter what religion or sect they follow, because they belong to different sects. If anyone condemns them based on their religion then such people's problem is their religion instead of their support of terrorism.

Zionist Buqa mercenary is another case. His anger is directed against anyone who is against the apartheid regime of Zion. This is why he brought religion in this political discussion.

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vroom:

He does support Talibanic anti-Islam ideology and policies.

According to Zahid Hussain, in his book Frontline Pakistan, Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul and former Army chief General Mirza Aslam Beg were part of the 9 January 2001 Darul Uloom Haqqania Islamic conference held near Peshawar, which was also attended by 300 leaders representing various radical Islamic groups. The meeting declared it a religious duty of Muslims all over the world to protect the Taliban government, and the Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden it was hosting, whom they considered as a 'great Muslim warrior. [Frontline Pakistan: The Struggle with Militant Islam by Zahid Hussain, Columbia University Press, 2007, page 81-82.]

vroom:

It is because of these ‘national treasures’ that Pakistan is in this mess today.
This ‘national treasure’ supported snakes in the form of Taliban, which have now turned against our own country. Except for these ‘national treasures’, no one else in the world supports the Taliban menace, including Saudis who initially did support them but are now cleaning such ideology from their country. and yet these ‘national treasures’ still in love with Taliban without regard to their anti-Islam anti-Pakistan agenda.

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^^ I have also heard that your 'beloved' Irani Government secretly also supporting Talibans by providing them weapons and oil money so that US engagement within Afgahnistan prolong and Iran will not suffer much in Nuke Problem as they just supported Al_Qaida secretly in Iraq against US as a proxy war . So what you say about your 'beloved' iranis who are helping Talibans !

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'Hearsay' is not enough as a reference. We need to use our common sense too.
I can talk on length on such "hearsays" but that will be the waste of time.

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no, its not such a secret, ISI already knew that..many top journalists and media already know that Iran is secretly providing Talibans weapons and money, i am not saying its wrong, every country has its own national interests and US will hardly look upon Iran if she fails in Afghanistan, to nip he evil in bud, so bud is Afghnanistan for Iran and Iran is successfully engaging US in Afghanistan and Now Rice is willing to have foreign relations with Iran.point is every country sees its own interest and Iran is also saving its national interests by helping talibans

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Let's suppose for a minute that Iran supports Taliban.

So what you are saying is that it is ok for Hamid Gul to support Taliban/ Qaeda since Iran does it. Is this correct assessment?

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general gul is a privileged man, with access to untold facts and truths about pakistans and the wider muslim worlds issues. he was personally incharge at the time when pakistan was facing multiple threats including the planned kahuta raid which was averted at the very last minute or perhaps even seconds (israelli jets were airborne!). at the time pakistan was involved in afghanistan and had just accomplished enough matterials for its atomic bomb. was under sanctions from the west regarding its nuclear program (still is) and the writings were on the wall for the current scenario. if from these subtle words you cannot understand the situation then you can continue harking on about the taliban and general hameed gul.

i know you are a patriot of pakistan, perhaps youve not been following the revelations from people such as hameed gul, anylists like zaid hamid, aijaz ahmad, many others. the terrorism effecting pakistan is only part of the problem it is facing.

remember gen hameed gul only reveals unclassified information. he knows much more then what he is allowed to tell in interviews and you can clearly see that in his live interviews.

remember to finnish this thread with good words about general gul

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Correction! He WAS "privileged" man, and he "had" access to facts. Then one day he became Islamist general like few other nuts. The result was devastating for his intellect. As a result of his religious leanings he is now marooned on an island called "conspiracy and fantasy world". His knowledge and facts are now down to the petty tabloid rags and his association is with the dimwits of Qaida. Such a loss of a soldier, such a shame.

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so true

he even claims that Pakistan can destroy India but doesn't do it because of what will happen to Indian Muslims...........hahaahahahahaha

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burqs! i expected better from you. great fiction but no factual substance. its seems that you are now fully brainwashed by images/reports on fox news and too careless to use your god given intellect.
“Will America attack Pakistan July 20th” Hamid Gul - Pakistan - Zimbio](Redirecting...)
general gul revealed above threat around the 11th july, same time as pres. bush was signing approvals for attacks into pakistan
also if you can understand urdu the documentary i posted above, in one of its episodes proves gen gul had more then one witness account from** inside the room** the moment musharraf decided to join WOT and there was no ‘bomb to stone age’ threats issued

your seriously confused. youve got your dates all mixed up and its YOU trying desperately make wild conspiracy claims regarding general gul. gen gul sees the strategic picture from pak pov. who’s benefit are you seeking?

youve got some support from merc which says it all.

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So where is that "BIIIIIGGGG BAAAAAD" American attack of July 20th?

And you defend that Hamid Gul is "informed". Man Oh man. Talk about conspiracy theories.

Even the September 3rd attack on Angoor Adda attack was limited to 3 Jihadi houses. Instead of shouting at the top of Jiahdi lungs, a sane Pakistani would have learned something from this. If we want to get rid of foreign Jihadis form FATA, we need to use our SSGs. Drop them on a few houses, kill all the bearded Jiahdis and leave the area. We ought to rely on our muscles to cleanse FATA. No need to beg for drones.

It is kind of stinky to see how Jihadis love to talk with both sides. On one side they point to American invasion of Afghanistan, and then from the other side they dump on Pakistan.

Since when we had an obligation to protect the uncouth cave dwellers Talibs? The same Talibs who love to destroy our cities?

Since when this traitor Hameed Gul stood up for the Pakistani masses, and the brutal tactics of Talibs?

Since when the Hameed-knows-jack cried out against the murder of Pakistani Shias, or Qadianis or Christians?

This is all BS about inviting Bangladesh to defend Afghanistan must be dreamt off during Bhang sessions. No sane soldiers would ever think of asking BDesh's bhooki nangi government to contribute a dime, let alone an army.

Repeating Hameed-style-gul conspiracies is easy. Working your tail off to make something out of your life is tuff, very tuff.

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perhaps fox news didnt cover the incident very well or your memory is not serving you well. that single incident, which gen gul warned about, could have been limited because of it getting out into the public domain. it still was significant enough for the coas to openly threatten the usa.

the escalation into pak was uncalled for. the targets were chosen for their pro pak stance. this last week has seen the first ever missile strikes into baitullah area from US drones. why would your espoused country be playing such silly games?

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It is kind of stinky to see how Jihadis love to talk with both sides. On one side they point to American invasion of Afghanistan, and then from the other side they dump on Pakistan.

Since when we had an obligation to protect the uncouth cave dwellers Talibs? The same Talibs who love to destroy our cities?

Since when this traitor Hameed Gul stood up for the Pakistani masses, and the brutal tactics of Talibs?

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why is the US not providing genuine help. why is it focused on a much larger operation throughout pakistan?

why did it let obl go? and let keep escaping? why is it financing terror at the same time as publically fighting it??

these are the questions people such as hameed gul are answering. this doesnt have to be the end of the road for pak-west relations. if mutual understanding and respect is formed then if they do have any genuine concerns, these can be sorted out, including terror, israel, middle east nuclear weapons etc much more comfortably.

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Since when the Hameed-knows-jack cried out against the murder of Pakistani Shias, or Qadianis or Christians?
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complete bs
hameed gul doesnt defend any terrorists. he suggests ways of eliminating terrorism aswell as avoiding strategic traps. the latter is what he is profesionally trained to do.

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Repeating Hameed-style-gul conspiracies is easy. Working your tail off to make something out of your life is tuff, very tuff.
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your getting pathetic, these are some of the worlds best strategic watchers warning about real threats to pakistan and its population. iraq style hearts and minds everywhere is already being realised, threats are being issued by state secretaries. political positioning for tension is gathering pace. iraq is only a gauge this could be worse , if allowed to happen.

for a moment going back to iraq, when your political icons were fabricating the iraq wmds and whatnot, you were busy telling sane voices that were wrong?conspriacy-nutz? terrorists?

and now you want to see dead pakis?

btw, dont work your tail off, get a proper job. with a sore tail no wonder youve only had time to get oneside of the story.

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Dunno why your reference to fox news is important here.

Just a quick question. Care to tell us where Hameed Gul told us about September 3rd attack on Angoor Adda?

And if so what preparatory action was taken by Pak COAS thanks to big information from Hameed sahib?

I am sure he has his conspiratorial tentacles deep inside pentagon.

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burqs! you are a beginner
july was when pres. bush authorised these missions into pak.

gen gul issued a warning about an attack on a specific date - july 20, so his information must have come from high up considering the authorisation wasnt public

its upto the US to finish operations in afghanistan and their dictorial requests to pakistan to continue fighting for eternity. enough is enough. the approach of the last seven years should be confined to history as a failure. pakistan should be allowed, encouraged and aided to find newer, better, independent solutions as it is the one who is the expert on the ground realities of the region.

im out

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what do you mean by Islamist??? everyone in Pakistan is Islamist to lesser and full extent. He is not living in fantasy world at all. there are few people who say blunt things including him, gen Aslam beg, but if some cant digest thats another story, he know much more as intellgence expert and know Al qaeda and Taliban since the times CIA use to support them.

now cause CIA and some wanna bees dont like the statements of truth comming out, as they have become good guys overnight.

if you have been watching him for a while you should have realised tehre is something truth about his statements.

bottom line there is bigger game being played in Pakistan, US /Aghans playing bothways supporting bad elements in Pak and work with co ordination with RAW to slowly and steadly a de stablised Pakistan to destroy it

but it will not happen, Pakistan will survive inshallah.

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hameed gul doesnt sell his opinion to please big brother. i can see why he will stick in their throats what i cant see is why any pakistani blessed with a brain that Allah endowed on a dyslexic goat will think he should be imprisoned.

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