Hamid Gul: Qaeda's man in Pakistan

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Hamid Gul nurtured Taliban. He is still in contact with Qaeda/Taliban and their planning.

I think he is a very dangerous man for Pakistan. And in order to win the fight against anti-Islam Taliban/Qaeda extremism, this demagogue needs to be neutralized.

I don’t know how he knew following details about Taliban’s attack on Pakistan’s capital.

AKI - Adnkronos international Pakistan: Al-Qaeda groups linked to bomb attack, say experts

Former Pakistani spy master, Retired Lt. General Hamid Gul said that the militants had watched their target for days and then selected a vehicle carrying construction materials and loaded the vehicle with over 600 kilogrammes of explosives.

He is Taliban’s spokesman among us.

AKI - Adnkronos international Afghanistan: Pakistan’s ex-spymaster outlines Taliban demands

Pakistan’s ex-spymaster outlines Taliban demands

Islamabad, 15 Oct. (AKI) - By Marco Liconti - The Taliban will agree to peace talks if they are recognised as a political force, if a date is set for the withdrawal of international forces, and if Taliban prisoners are released, according to Pakistan’s former spy chief, Retired Lt. General Hamid Gul.

Gul a former head of Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), said he believes negotations need to be taken forward with Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

“Pakistan has to be brought on board too,” he told Adnkronos International (AKI) and a small group of Western news organisations at a briefing in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.

“I know the Taliban, I have worked with them for a long time, and can say they would never talk to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, they consider him a mere traitor and puppet,” Gul said.

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He didn’t nurture Taliban, he was just many army officers who used Jihadis to kick out Ruskies from Afghanistan.

Hamid Gul, Aslam Beg etc. are a small group of generals who got stuck in 80s. Why did that happen. Well these dimwits got married to Wahabi Islam. That aspect is not different from bunch of Pakistani Shia leaders who became married to Khomeni’s Islam.

Both Wahabi Islam and Khomeni Islam are imported and thus foreign to Pakistan. Either of them cannot serve Pakistan’s interest, and thus utterly dangerous for Pakistanis. When Hamid Gul defends Taliban he in fact is defending Wahabi Islam at the cost of Pakistan.

Similarly when some Pakistani-Shias defend Ahmade Nejat they are in fact defending Shia Islam.

As long we have zameer farosh Pakistanis who import foreign religions, we will remain in the mud just like Afghanis.

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well brits and us already trying to talk to taliban - so you brand them what?

he is always in trouble cause he speaks a bit blunt and take anti american stance - and thats his fault nothing else, and this is not liked by US and puppets.

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What is the religion of Pakistan? or I should say what kind of Islam does Pakistan/Pakistani follow?

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Pakistan has majority of Sunni Muslims, with Shia Minority

but this has nothing to do with al qaeda or Hameed Gull, whole idea is absured based on this division.

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You mean to say that, no one in the world can beat a Retd. General, and all the resistance Taliban/Al-qaeda is offering is because of him… are you serious?

Things may get clear with this little example, in my field , i exactly know what my competitor is thinking and how he acts, his capabilities and my competitors knows the same about me, do u accept that an Army General who happend to be a Spy Master as well, do not know, or cannnot tell how to plan these kind of attacks…

Now what is in there which is telling you that he is their spoke’sman, he as an expert on Taliban issue is just giving his opinion.. i have underlined the text, which you may have missed and concluded a false opinion about Hameed Gul.

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Pakistanis have majority Sunnis (roughly 70%), Shias (roughly 25%) and the rest are mixed religions like Christians, Hindus etc.

The problem of importing Wahabi Islam and Shia Islam started with Iranian revolution. When Khomeni toppled Shah of Iran. Khomeni used oil money and a virluent propaganda against everything non-Shia. Pakistani Shias had the religious duty to follow the "Imam Khomeni" while some non-Shia Pakistani-socialists followed Khomeni because of his anti-Americanism.

The result was the formation of Shia-militant organizations who openly challenged Sunni majority. Sunni majority responded by relying on Wahabi Islam imported from Saudi Arabia.

While the two sects fought their proxy wars in Pakistan, another war was being fought in Afghanistan, namely anti-communist war.

Hameed Gul is the product of these proxy wars that were fought in Afghanistan and Pakistan. His analysis point emanates from pro-Wahabi pro-Taliban stance.

Sad thing is that both Pakistani-Wahabi supporters and Pakistani-Shia supporters forget that they should not be the pawns in the proxy war between Saudia and Iran.

The problem with Hameed Gul is that he has been two long of a leash by Pakistani army. The reason is that there are other generals who are closet sympathizers of the imported Wahabi-Islam.

Hameed Gul should have been put in jail from day one for inciting anti-Pakistan hysteria. Other proxy fighters both Wahabi and Shia should have been sent to Pakistani gulags too. We didn't do that, and the result has been horrible in the form of Sunni-Shia violence and suicide bombings.

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Shak is right on the mark... and then we can leave it upto antiobl to start blaming islam for all the problems...

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Baralvis bidati’ practices ie introducing innovations in islamic practice such as going to Mazar, grave worship, saint worship, intercession by others, dancing in the Urs, Milad, koonday, celebrating shabay barat, 11th, etc. Is it real ISLAM?

There is only one ISLAM, there is not such thing as “Wahabi” Islam. “Wahhabism” unfairly carries negative and derogatory connotations and It’s fairly loosely used by Shia and Baralvis of our subcontinent.

In Indian Subcontinant anyone who doesn’t practice bidati, innovative practices such as Milad and etc are labeled “Wahabi” by our Baralvi brothers. Infact, there it’s only one group Ahle Hadith (also call Salafi) who rejected these innovations. Deobandi don’t completly reject it but dont’ agree with “hazir/nazir”, noor - light, and few minor things.

I don’t agree with salafi and Baralvi, they are oppsite end of the rope. I like to be moderate Muslim, not conservative like Salafi and not at all like Baralvi.

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Calm down and focus on current thread. What Bralvis do or don't should be discussed in religious forum. Open a thread there and contrast them with Wahabi "religious" practices.

We are only talking about the use of Wahabism in the terrorism. Wahabism in its core may be the most pure and beautiful thing. However it is now being used to commit horrendous crimes in Pakistan (mariot bombing), London (7/7 bombing), Glasgow (airport attack by Muslim doctors), NY, Washington DC, Algeria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. and the list goes on.

The international terror menace should be targeted by focusing on its source. And unfortunately the source happens to be the wahabi teachings and wahabi charities' money.

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Well I know Burqaposh mercenary's problem with Iran, and hence shias in general. He likes to curse and cuss them even if it has nothing to do with thread topic. There are some Muslim people who see Zionist conspiracy in everything. Burqa is their mirror image. He sees conspiracy of Iran and shias everywhere.
This mercenary will continue doing it for his Zionist friends. So no point wasting time on him. This Zionist looks is an enemy of Muslims, whether shias, sunnis, or wahhabis. HIs loyalties lie only with Zionist apartheid regime.
Look at what Burqa has done here. He has converted this thread in a religious dispute.

To those who think Hamid Gul is a victim due to his being anti-American then I must remind them that majority of Pakistanis is against American policies, including me.
So this is not a very good argument. If only America is after him then why did Benazir name him among people who tried to kill her?

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What are you on here dude?

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He is MORE than talking bluntly. He is Qaeda's man in Pakistan.
His connections with Taliban are so strong that Pakistan needs to investigate his actions, and make sure he is not providing covert support to Qaeda/Taliban operations against Pakistani populace.

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It is not just him, but he is one of the most important of the bunch of retired agents who have soft spot for anti-Pakistan anti-Islam Talibanic extremists.

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Everyone is focus is on him and not looking at the bigger picture. How to resolve these crisis and save and protect Pakistan.
Here is the dilemma, Taliban won't want to sign a peace deal while foerign troops are in Afghanistan. NATO/USA doesn't want to sign any peace deal. Why?

USA/Nato/Obama has drawn a plan to split Afghanistan, Pakhtoon and non-Patkhtoon and it also involve capture NWPF and part of Balochistan from Pakistan. United Pakhtoon from both side of the border??? What are we going to do? Is there anyone we can trust? Will anyone is willing to help us?

Government should be doing their best to stablize entire FATA & NWPF, and take FATA under government control. Split NWPF into 3 smaller provinces and name that Khyber, Abaseen, Pakhtunkhwa. These new provinces should have strong local government to control law and order situation.

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For those who think Hamid Gul is merely against the US, please understand that he is even against democratic rule, and want to establish a shariah rule, which is synonymous to him as Talibanic rule … and we know Taliban’s rule was against Islamic principles.

He said in 2001:

Hamid Gul Interview Sept 26 2001

Q: So what does this post-modern state system look like?

A: A global village under divine order, or we will have global bloodshed until good triumphs over evil. Islam encapsulates all the principal religions and what was handed down 1,400 years ago was the normal evolutionary sequel to Judaism and Christianity. The prophet’s last sermon was a universal document of human rights for everyone that surpasses everything that came since, including America’s declaration of independence and the U.N. Charter of universal rights. If you superimpose true secular values on true Islamic values, there is no difference. So surely divine law should supersede man-made law. Islam is egalitarian, tolerant and progressive. It is the wave of the future.

He seems to be talking from a Qaeda prospectus! What he wants is exactly what Qaeda is inspiring to do.
Actions of ex service-men like Hamid Gul need to be investigated fully by Pakistan government. Because Talibna/Qaeda have been getting help from such people.

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Our problem is that most of us still believe it is possible to sign peace deal with Taliban.

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Tehrik Taliban is copying the style of Hizbullah.

---Just like Hizbullah they want to establish a parallel government in Pakistan's frontier area.
---Just like Hizbullah they use the excuse that only Mullahs can protect the borders with the "enemy state" or "enemy-occupied area".
---Just like Hizbullah, TTP gets funds from "friendly Islamic state(s)".
---Just like Hizbullah, TTP uses such Islamic funds to create death and destruction in their own country.
---Just like some Lebanese generals support Hizbullah, a small number of Pak generals support TTP.

---Just like Hizbullah, the TTP is dependent on "local Muslims". These local Muslims are more loyal to foreign religions instead of being loyal to their own nation.

---Why Hizbullah became strong in Lebanon. Because Lebanese Shias destroyed their nation in favor of Shia-Islam.

---Why TTP became strong in Pakistan? Because Pakistani Wahabis are destroying their nation in favor of Wahabi-Islam.

What is the solution to Hizbullah or TTP problems? Just one!

We must uphold our nation and our country first. Our religion should always remain out of national debates. Religion is a personal issue and not national issue.

Unfortunately many Shia Pakistanis and Wahabi Pakistanis are putting their nation and country lower than their foreign-religious allegiance. And Hameed Gul is just one such shameless-Pakistani.

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This is soo funny!
So what you guyz are saying here is that, since An ex-chief of ISI is speaking the language of what some of the Al-quaida people speak, he should be "arrested"... on what charges? Just because of his defiance to US (same as Alquaida) and speaking of his ideology of Islam too bluntly (same as Alquaida as well)??? Thats rediculous! I think so many of muslims are defiant of US and speak in favor of Taliban. So should those be arrested too??

What he said (as mentioned in the first link of this read) was his analysis about the taliban and others. No matter what, he is a great analyst and has great brain, not me and you can become ISI-chief and make great policies which demolished a huge superpower.
If his analysis coincides with what any leader of taliban says, that doesnt mean this guy is their spokesman. Please dont be so conclusive, and provide concrete evidences if you have, that will be very interesting!

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I think bro you are confusing the pre-1980 Hameed Gul who was a good officer and respected general. However Hameed Gul of today is no longer a patriot and a gentleman. He and some other Pak army officers got married to Wahabi Islam during the Afghan Jihad.

Poor fellars forgot that a smart officer only trains others to do a job "under the directions of commanders". Once the commanders decide to change course, then the officers must obey the orders. They may disagree with the command's decision. But in the larger interest of the nation, and the army, a good officer does not make anti-government tamasha as Hameed Gul has been making for so many years now.

He is now under the influence of Wahabi Islam and that's why he is hell bent on supporting Talibs even at the cost of Pakistan.

What a shameless man! He was supposed to be a general and now he is a terror-sympathizer.