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woww. im impressed. you intelligent debaters are too cool for school :D
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^ It’s true. 
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I said I'm getting old ... i've been on this forum for years and have already done this debate in my 20s. I'm in my 30s now. Time for me to move on ... :D
sometimes experience gives you a new perspective that is important to share.....
and the debate does not have to be relevant to you but it might make a difference in another younger person's life to whom it may be completely relevant.
when I think of hijabis, like you guys, I have a pretty large pool of them to consider......but the one that sticks in my mind is my niece.....she is a dedicated hijabi and when I hear about these kinds of parties (and yes, I am referring specifically to the "dress sexy" ones) I feel the need to remind people that wearing the headscarf is not just about putting a piece of cloth on your head.....its about representing an entire group of people.....and while you may not see it that way, others undoubtedly will.
as far as the arab culture is concerned.....I hear you........however the vehement response in this thread seems to suggest that these parties are not just in the arab culture......they are happening amongst our own too.
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lol good debate. I would join in but im pretty reserved and tend to keep my opinions to myself
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that is completely utter bull. Good on ya for not believing that.
The cultural context is that our clothes are covered where as Arab/Iranian women clothes themselves are what we would consider western wear: as in halter tops,blouses,skirts etc. so they wear their abbayas/montos on top of their regular clothes.
If had to wear an abbaya I would wear a tank top with jeans.Y ?because even if i wore 100 layers of cloth underneath what’s the point?Who would know/see/tell?.i have friends who wear jeans over their sleeping shirt and then the abbaya for uni in the morning. Scandalous.
I was once in syria and my mum was talking to an Iranian lady .They were discussing hijab and how Pakistani hijabs weren’t always in place etc as chadars /duppatas are loose etc.the lady turned round and said “Libas e shuma hijab has”. My Farsi is rusty.Translation*“The clothes you all wear is hijab.your entire body is covered ,our clothes are not of that nature”.
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I find it hilarious when people diss hijabis who reveal skin in a Mehram group of people but wont blink an eye when a non hijabi is wearing less of an outfit in front of na-mehrams.You’ll hear comments like woh tu family hay, they are old friends, just like family.That **man is like her uncle! he has seen her since she was a baby. FYI aunty :still not a mehram according to Allah.
This one aunty was criticizing an Iranian bride who wore a dress (they wear the white english dress) and at her own nieces wedding the clothes the aunties wore combined with their dances was good to wearing nothing in my opinion.But yeah lets bite off the head of the hijabi who wears something little more revealing.In mehram/segregated events.
As a society we will say let’s not judge someone who wears sleeveless but lets judge the girl in hijab who does makeup wears sleeveless in a ladies function. sheesh.
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am just uncomfortable with the idea of experimenting with extremes in terms of dressing hijabi or non hijabi even if it's just a women only party!
Modesty isnt just confined to a headscarf IMO.
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I think thats the thing though, people's definition of modesty is different. Like my arab friends, I would go over to their house and they would be wearing shorts and a tank with their father and brothers in the house. But if I were to say to them how can you be so immodest, they don't think they are. Culturally they're taught to cover up in public and just wear regular clothes at home or with women. So for them regular clothes are just what anyone here in the west would wear really. The extremes Sahar is talking about don't exist in their head.
I think in Pakistani culture there's a lot more emphasis in being covered up in general regardless of if you're wearing hijab or if you're in public or not. My mum would get annoyed at me for my pj pants hiking up too high in front of my dad and brother. Even amongst women I've heard women comment about seeing a part of someones midriff when wearing a sari, with no men around. So in our culture showing skin is considered immodest and not normal. I think for Arabs and maybe other people who grow up with a different mindset modesty is not necessarily not ever showing any skin its just dressing appropriately for the situation. So if the situation is a co-ed, public setting then you should be covered up and if its not then you can wear whatever.
That being said I have no idea if desi's are like this too, I haven't seen any but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Possibly in their houses they either grew up with a similar mindset to the arabs or they really do want to be seen as 'slutty' or provocative.
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I believe the idea of class difference and socio economic status is also conveyed the way Arabs dress in private parties, from my experience and the things I've heard. The upper Middle class women with renowned family names express themselves in lavish gowns with Western cuts, whereas most Arabs with labour background don't mind dressing like Snookie, looking aesthetically pleasing is not a priority or its not an idea they can relate to.
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There is a world full of hundreds of millions of different women that goes beyond your bunch of Hijabi friends and their petty jibes. If you think anyone who wears 'revealing' clothes needs to be classified as a slut, you are probably living in a wrong country! Because if thats the case, then every single women working in City of London is a 'slut' for wearing a skirt and sleeveless top, doesn't matter if they're Oxford and Cambridge graduates who work their ass off, day and night to run the country and build a remarkable careers in top top organizations.
If slut is just a word, so is terrorist and extremist. So lets see how many of you take it as 'just a word' when such filth is thrown at Muslims out of sheer ignorance and arrogance. Some people need get out more and experience more than just private hooker fests in their basement.
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If slut is just a word, so is terrorist and extremist. So lets see how many of you take it as 'just a word' when such filth is thrown at Muslims out of sheer ignorance and arrogance. Some people need get out more and experience more than just private hooker fests in their basement.
I had so much to say.....was gonna type it all out last night but alas the bird-feeder was empty and that took priority......
I don't think that I can put it any more effectively than Jolie has in the above quote. Its pretty obvious who understands the points I've been trying to make and who doesn't.
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I believe the idea of class difference and socio economic status is also conveyed the way Arabs dress in private parties, from my experience and the things I've heard. The upper Middle class women with renowned family names express themselves in lavish gowns with Western cuts, whereas most Arabs with labour background don't mind dressing like Snookie, looking aesthetically pleasing is not a priority or its not an idea they can relate to.
Frankly I find this more offensive than any one "word"....but that's just me.
If slut is just a word, so is terrorist and extremist. So lets see how many of you take it as 'just a word' when such filth is thrown at Muslims out of sheer ignorance and arrogance. Some people need get out more and experience more than just private hooker fests in their basement.
I had so much to say.....was gonna type it all out last night but alas the bird-feeder was empty and that took priority......
I don't think that I can put it any more effectively than Jolie has in the above quote. Its pretty obvious who understands the points I've been trying to make and who doesn't.
If a group of friends likes to use certain words amongst themselves, what is so bad about that? Black people call each other nigga all the time, friends make racist jokes against each other all the time--if you personally don't like it and find it offensive, that's perfectly fine--but that doesn't mean that those who do use those words **within certain company **do not have class or manners.
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^OMG Paki. 
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lol what? should I be offended?
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Only if you’re wearing a Western designer outfit otherwise just smile and wave…smile and wave. 
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*I thought we were gonna have an intellectual discussion here but some people are only accusing me for judging and trolling. This was the first time I have attended a Pakistani hajabi girl party. Do you expect me not to be SHOCKED??? I thought Hajab comes with the responsibility so thanks for letting me know that I am wrong here. I just don't have the courage to be half-naked front of girls because does not that make me besharam? My young mind couldn't accept cleavage shaking and exposed skin everywhere especially from hajabis due to the fact that they are our religious models. I would consider this a dual personality since exposure of skin was to the maximum. My concern was whether it is allowed in Islam? I am pleased to see that hajabi girls are having a blast in only girls party, grinding on each other, doing their dance moves, belly dancing, however, I still can't understand the transformation from hajab/abaya to half nakedness. I am very serious about gaining knowledge and getting enlightened. Please don't get offended. *
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BSB - as long as the girl's awrah is covered (the way its supposed to be in front of other Muslim women), then there is no issue. Allah SWT doesnt have an issue with you, and neither should anyone else.
but in terms of the behaviour, one should behave appropriately. Grinding on each other is not considered appropriate IMO.
and like I and many other said here, you find this kind of party offensive, I suggest you just dont go to them anymore.
Being a Muslim comes with repsonbilities, not just a hijabi. If you have a muslim name, people woudl know you are Muslim as well. So its also your job to behave like one.
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I don't wear a hajab and people automatically assume that I won't be as religious compared to a hajabi. Action speaks louder than words. Isn't hajab wearing woman portrayed to be righteous since she is wearing that for God's sake, possesses good character, and for others who look up to her?
BSB - as long as the girl's awrah is covered (the way its supposed to be in front of other Muslim women), then there is no issue. Allah SWT doesnt have an issue with you, and neither should anyone else.
but in terms of the behaviour, one should behave appropriately. Grinding on each other is not considered appropriate IMO.
and like I and many other said here, you find this kind of party offensive, I suggest you just dont go to them anymore.
Being a Muslim comes with repsonbilities, not just a hijabi. If you have a muslim name, people woudl know you are Muslim as well. So its also your job to behave like one.
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BSB - as long as the girl's awrah is covered (the way its supposed to be in front of other Muslim women), then there is no issue. Allah SWT doesnt have an issue with you, and neither should anyone else.
but in terms of the behaviour, one should behave appropriately. Grinding on each other is not considered appropriate IMO.
Agreed!
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I don't wear a hajab and people automatically assume that I won't be as religious compared to a hajabi. Action speaks louder than words. Isn't hajab wearing woman portrayed to be righteous since she is wearing that for God's sake, possesses good character, and for others who look up to her?
all muslims are supposed to be righteous. just because u dont wear hijab, u think you're off the hook?
what makes you not wear the hijab?