Hafiz Saeed threatens India with jihad

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I dont think you know the real agenda of these, these people want to be the new Ghanavizs of the new India, kashmir is just the gateway for them into India...Deccan Hydrabad is next on their agenda....JUD provides the fodder for people like Safdar Nagori leader of SIMI.....their main agenda is to liberate India from the hindu rule....they dont mind nuclear war between India and pakistan....nuclear war will finish the only remaining powerful hindu majority nation and one of the islamic country paksitan...but still islam will prevail....

But, hafiz Saeed and followers of ZZH need to look at history, muslims ruled India for around 800 to a 1000 years....but hindus are living in the region for thousands of years....their history in the region is pre-historic 3000 BC....Greeks civilization came and went, so were Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Zoarashtrians, Romans, all converted to chirstianity or Islam.....hindus have withstood all and welcomed all....they have assimilated muslims, chirstians, and even Zoarashtrians (parsis) when they came by sea to India, when Zoarashtrians where kicked out by muslims from their homeland Persia....Hindus still follow the same pre-historic philosophy

Mughals came and were destroyed...nobody knows where they are....hindus are still standing......Poeple should not mock hindus by saying "we have ruled you for 1000 years" thats not even a pimple on an elephants butt.

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Nobody in India is naive enough to believe this.

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Please re-phrase it, no body is India is smart enough to understand this small logic...

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Well brother hanibal, U are trying to play with words, I m afraid. What I wanted to bring forth is that those terrorists who are being supported by RAW are blowing themselves up and sacrificing their lives. Now where their motivation is coming from? Its not easy to give away ur life for a cause. So question of the moment is that where from motivation of suicide bombing is coming from? must be from some religious scripture which could brainwash the believer. There is literally nothing in hindu scriptures which can motivate any hindu to kill himself along with others. Nor wealth can motivate such a big number of so called jihadis ready to kill themselves along with others. Now its upto U to judge which scripture is being used to brainwash these RAW juice consuming neo hindus who have just abandoned Islam according to U.

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A muslim suppose not to kill any human, unless and until he is in a war or the killing of the other person is justified... Hafiz Saeed, is the one who portray himself one who is fighting the occupied forces in an occupied region... in simple wording, they are called freedom fighters.. same way, Indians use to mention the terrorists of Mukti Bahni and their sympathizers ( Late 60s) as freedom fighters, so if it is right then how come it is wrong now.. or may it is matter of personal interest which decide the wrong and right... Eastern Wing of Pakistan was never a disputed territory.. yet Indians did sponsored the terrorism in that part, Kashmir is disputed territory for last 60 odd years... and the people of valley are just doing what they deem necessary to gain their freedom of choice which is abducted by the country of genius people who for some reason only consider people of certain religion as humans.. and rest as nuisance... may be it is the democratic way or may be this is written in your scripture... or maybe it is pure hypocrisy from your side...
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Thanks for amusing me in during this depressing topic. When muslim armies were killing their fellow muslims beings during the times of Khulfa E Rashidun, they were sure that their killing is justified. I can quote dozens of other incidents where muslims massacred fellow muslims like insects. And I can assure U that they always thought that their act is justified.

but I will take muslim's line in this matter, those who kill muslims are terrorists, those who kill non muslims are jihadis, this is which separates neo hindus like talibaan and company and their sympathizers like maulana fazlu and Imran khan with pious jihadis like Hafiz Saeed. I m sure this satisfies U.

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Yeah rightly mentioned, I almost forgot about it, since Ajmal Qasab has issued a new statement, the media the state and all other stake holder has gone quiet on it??? i wonder why!!! if you do no re-call, your so-called terrorist said that he was picked up the security forces earlier.. please google to find out his latest statement.. i am saying this because the only way you very intelligent agencies find out about Hafiz Saeed .. so the same source is saying something else.. earlier the things were not directly said by him, it was confession made under police custody, later came in the court room...
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Only a pious muslim can believe what Ajmal Qasab, another pious muslim has said. Plz be witness that I m a kafir, not a muslim.

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Now please can you tell me why Hafiz Saeed is against India? please try to reasonable... I know you can...

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Any pious muslim has to be against India, coz its land of mushrikeen. U need more reasonable answer than this one?

Peace.

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What makes you say that?

I think you should start reading good Muslim scholars instead of some brain washed retards. There are a plenty of them in India.

On the other hand, don't you think your perception about pious muslims is very close to the perception of pious hindus like Varun Gandhi...

Peace.

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Peace brother yazdi,

I prefer to make my own opinion after considering different views on any issue. And I have valid reasons to believe that India and Indians are on top in terms of committing shirk. And naturally any pious muslim has to be against India. After all Quaid too was of the opinion that Hindus and muslims cant co exist together. Because they are poles apart when it comes to religion. Hatred of muslims for jews, Ahmadis and hindus is no secret. Religion plays an important part in this.

And I sincerely disagree with the later part of ur comment. What varuns, modis, thackreys and togadias are preaching is in no way remotely connected to hinduism. Rather they are blot on hinduism and none of their actions or words are justifiable in the light of any hindu scriptures.

While whatever hafiz dude has been preaching and doing can be easily justified, and U know that.

Peace.

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Stop the bull please...
When did I ever talk about anyones religion?

I mention Hindus not because I have any concern over their religious beliefs, but because they are political and social group that dominate India.

I have every right to talk about India as a country. If you dont like it, then go happily trumpet your great Shining India on some Indian forum.

Ethnic groups? What ethnic group have I trashed? Find me a post where I insulted an ethnic group...

Save your self righteous tirades for someone who cares...

You as a person may or may not be a great person, but you represent on this forum a nation which is guilty of vast human rights violations and atrocities... Yet you endlessly try to portray yourselves as benign humanists, victimized by evil terrorists coming from that evil nation of Pakistan...Give me a break.
Should I spare your feelings, or should I expose your country for what it is.

I choose to expose you. If you want to be coddled, if you want people to agree with everything you claim, if you want to shamelessly rub your privates in everyone eases face, then I suggest you join an Indian forum pronto. There everyone loves to gloss over Indians Great achievement unparalleled in the history of man.

I for one could give a rats rear end about India. I would love to resolve the issues that force us to remain tied to to you, so I never have to mention India in another sentence for the rest of my life.

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Re: Hafiz Saeed threatens India with jihad

All the Pakistanis on this forum have stated repeatedly that if Kashmir is solved you take the rug out from under the crazies. How much else do you need? An e-mail?

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^yar kashmir mil bhi jai to india baaz naii aii gaa sheraratain kernay say likhwa lain bayshak.
with kashmir we also want the leaders of radical hindu militant outfits such as bal thakeray,raj thakeray,l.k advani,and narinder modi and company so that they can be tried for the murder of thousands of innocent women and children.the army officers involved in the genocide of kashmiris should also be handed over.

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Please try to avoid finger-pointing and blaming me... I thought you were little better than others... yes there are plenty of people of different religions who do that, some call them mercenaries some call them terrorist, please do some research on this... as if i say anything else, you may again start what seems to be your national sport i.e. the blame-game...

pleasure is all mine, unless and otherwise you have said it with the intention to taunt me.. which i believe is not your intention, but again who knows what are you up to... i don't think that any thing you hear/read carries any authenticity.. like it is said that Hindu religion is based on $exuality.. now i don't know if it is true or not but this is what it is said, same about the Khulfa-e-Rashideen's era...

You said every other thing but didn''t mentioned anything on topic, how come an intellectual and intelligent person like you behave like this.. or should i say you missed the questions i asked you, specially the last one, which was directly related to the topic... please answer the question, even if you don't it is OK with me as it is your choice to not to have sensible debate

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dear,
as far as riots are concerned, pakistanis also understand what it is like indians. those who commit such crimes are inhuman, average indian has nothing to do with such things. they do have their day to day work to attend to, yes I agree babri and godhra criminals should be brought to book, whoever it may be,
i am not turning any average pakistani a villain, i am just citing those talibanis in pakistan.
26 years after 1984, sikh are way ahead in indian administrative and political situation,
84 was just an accident, it was sikhs who murdered Indira Gandhi and villains like sajjan kumar and jagdish tytler turned it into Hindu Vs Sikh. it is those political parties and their foolish party workers who hope to become leader in future does this
and average hindu is not violent, largely they are like any other human being like sikh and muslim.
and please do tell me what happened to those who murdered that sikh in pakistan
and a request praji, please refrain from any harsh comment on me, reply to me cooly.

jeetIAF

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What ever floats your boat...

What happned to those that killed the Sikh? Same thing that is happening to all the criminals and scum of that region. They are being hunted down by the Army and blown by predator drones...

Whats happened to the Thousands of Guilty Indians that killed all those Sikhs and Hindus? I suspect they are now peaceful going about their business.

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I m sorry for giving U the impression by default that I m finger pointing towards U or anyone else.

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pleasure is all mine, unless and otherwise you have said it with the intention to taunt me.. which i believe is not your intention, but again who knows what are you up to... i don't think that any thing you hear/read carries any authenticity.. like it is said that Hindu religion is based on $exuality.. now i don't know if it is true or not but this is what it is said, same about the Khulfa-e-Rashideen's era...

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No question of taunting U, what I was trying to say that muslims have been killing muslims since the early days of Islam and calling it holy war to justify their actions. It may sound harsh to U, but its true. And whatever I said about Khulfa E Rashidun's era is not based upon writing of the critics but muslim historians have themselves testified the genocide which happened in that era, all in the name of ALLAH. I think that U cant afford to disagree.

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You said every other thing but didn''t mentioned anything on topic, how come an intellectual and intelligent person like you behave like this.. or should i say you missed the questions i asked you, specially the last one, which was directly related to the topic... please answer the question, even if you don't it is OK with me as it is your choice to not to have sensible debate

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U asked following question

***Now please can you tell me why Hafiz Saeed is against India? please try to reasonable... I know you can...

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Any pious muslim has to be against India, coz its land of mushrikeen. U need more reasonable answer than this one?

Now what else I need to answer? Its duty of any pious muslim to spread words and rule of ALLAH. Its duty of every pious muslim to dislike and stop shirk with the best of his ability. And vast majority of Indians can be crowned as champions of shirk.

Peace.

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tolerating / supporting terrorists like hafiz saeed is what has brought Pakistan to the sorry state it is in today. If you don't wake up and smell the coffee even after the hundreds of bombings within your country - the lahore blasts of last week being the latest - it just means you are incapable of seeing reality.

Just remember - natural justice is if you perpetrate crime against your neighbor it will come back to haunt you twice over. You are seeing it

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Indians… :rolleyes:

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Again i would say that the fights in the early era of Islam is a totally different debate which need totally different attitude.. same like the Hindus has been fighting with each other, may it be the RAM or the Pandavs or others... the Holy scriptures says that Hindu GOD fought each other on certain issues, so it can be said that Hindu religion has been fed by the Blood right from the start and not by humans but the gods of the religion... but like i said, this is not the topic we are discussing and if you like to have discussion on it, you can have a separate thread for it...

I red your reply earlier but couldn't believe what i was reading that is y i purposely asked it again,

If your theory is right then same applies to Hindus as well, the Col. Prohat who had his hands in Malegaon and Samjhota Express blast is being protected by the Army and other institutions in India, which do send the message that it is holy duty of Hindu to kill all the muslims... and unlike you if I maintain this stance, then i think i can argue that YES to be pious HINDU one had to hate and consider all other humans inferiors .. and thing is not only non-hindus but the Hindus are considered inferior compare to others on the basis family-ism...

So it may be true for hindus to kill and/or support anyone who is killing muslims but it is not true as per Islam... in Islam, killing an innocent human means, killing of humanity..

Now back to my question..

Hafiz Saeed and many others like him is not the product of hatred against India or Hindus... they are direct product of Kashmir policy of India.. today or tomorrow hafiz saeed and other like him can die due to natural or un-natural reasons... but the ideology would stay... More like him shall come to the front..

Let me give you example

Israel, India's ultimate ally, killed Sheikh Yassin and many other from the top leader of Palestinian resistance, did they killed the resistance??? well you know the answer.. a big NO..

Same with Kashmir.. Hafiz Saeed is just a name, which is fighting for the right of Kashmiries, even if he is removed from the scene, somebody else will come forward. Maqbool BUTT is not here any more, but the resistance movement is still there...

So want to get rid of troubles, Give Kashmiries their right of existence...

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You spew hate on hindus all the time. There is nothing else you do on the forum. You have little to contribute on affairs of your own country. I bet I have said more good things about your country in this forum than you have.
I never trumphet my country’s achievements. I have never participated in such threads. I don’t know why you had to bring it up here. But it is really funny to see the effect that trumpeting of “supposed Indian success” has on you.

“Hindus” are not a single entity. Just like Islam, Hinduism has millions of followers. Your country has some too. Just like in Islam, there are some people who are more powerful than others. They target and kill people, both hindus and muslims. There is little that ordinary Indians, that is both hindus and muslims can do about it. But your constant efforts to paint hindus as a group of villains who gang up and kill minorities is despicable and it shows your bigotry and hypocrisy. People are the same the world over. They all want to live in peace.

So why don’t you stick to spewing hate on Indians. None of the Indian posters run around trashing Islam or muslims. They mostly criticize Pakistanis.

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Really? How have I spewed hate on Hindus?

I said India is a Hindu country. Its is.

I said Hindus in India were guilty of mass genocide in Kashmir and Gjrat and Delhi among other place. This is a fact. If your going to dispute fact and claim im spewing hate then this is not my problem..

I never attacked Hinduism as a religion. And when I mention Hindus im refering to the over all group in India. Because in India, Hindus as a group dominate. They basically make policy, they are the ones generally involved when things go wrong.

I have no problem with Hindus or Indians as individuals, but as a group you country is guilty of mass murder..

One could make the same case for Muslims or any other group. As Muslims, obviously we all feel uneasy when a fanatic commits a crime in the name of our shared faith. Its the guilt of association. But its a cross we must bare. If it means being interogated at an airport then so be it. What can you do.

So, while I have no problem with Hindus as people or as individuals, I do have a problem with India and India is dominated by Hindus.

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Do you have any problem with pakistan as it is dominated by Muslims*

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 First of all please try to understand the meaning of Genocide. If India committed Genocide  then there  would not have any Muslims in India. But now India has 18% muslims ie almost 20 crore people. Now you take your country to identify that the genocide suits your country. In Turkey, in 1921 there was 30% christians .Now almost 0% .It means there was a genocide against Christians. Almost the same case with Hindus of Pakistan. But you cannot give that cruel  status to Indians. Beacuse in 1947 there was only 10% Muslims in India .But now it is almost 18%. You are obcessed with Muslim Ummah. So you cannot satisfy with 2 muslim nations in south asia .You need the whole of south Asia as Muslims. PLease spare the Hindus .They are running from middle east through Sindh ,Afganistan Punjab (Pakistan)  to this so called India. Now there is only the Sea of Benagl to run. So they may not run but try to defend.