Hafiz Saeed threatens India with jihad

[Med911]

@truth_finder

First of all please try to understand the meaning of Genocide. If dIndia committe Genocide then there would not have any Muslims in India. But now India has 18% muslims ie almost 20 crore people. Now you take your country to identify that the genocide suits your country. In Turkey, in 1921 there was 30% christians .Now almost 0% .It means there was a genocide against Christians. Almost the same case with Hindus of Pakistan. But you cannot give that cruel status to Indians. Beacuse in 1947 there was only 10% Muslims in India .But now it is almost 18%. You are obcessed with Muslim Ummah. So you cannot satisfy with 2 muslim nations in south asia .You need the whole of south Asia as Muslims. PLease spare the Hindus .They are running from middle east through Sindh ,Afganistan Punjab (Pakistan) to this so called India. Now there is only the Sea of Benagl to run. So they may not run but try to defend.

Here is a definition of the term genocide: systematic killing of a racial or cultural group

Here is an example of a planned systematic mass murder in India… Can anyone deny this was pre planned?!?
Witness84 | Delhi Massacres | Sikh Massacres

Same story in Gujrat. Planned and led by your own Mr Modi.

Now you can call it what you like, but we call preplanned mass murder genocide.

I don’t know the story with Turkey, you should ask the Turks. Last I checked they are a secular nation and the area that is today’s Turkey was always predominantly Muslim. As for Pakistan you dont know what your talking about there. Just India accusations. Atleast what we accuse you off is based on facts.

I never accused India of any long term pogrom.. I said there have been incidences of such things in pockets of India… These single incidences have been so violent and so brutal that in a span of days you managed to murder thousands. At the time they were planned and were systematic pogroms. The brutality of these events and spontaneity of the whole thing contradicts Indias harmonious facade.
Bottom line is, pointing fingers at others doesnt change ground reality.

[Med911]

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Do you have any problem with pakistan as it is dominated by Muslims

If Pakistanis committed horrible atrocities such as those in India then certainly.

Having said that im certainly not proud of the way many things are in Pakistan, but we Pakistanis generally tend to accept criticism. Now I dont actively hunt down Indians to admonish them, but here you are on a forum for Pakistanis...*

[truth_finder]

Do you have any problem with pakistan as it is dominated by Muslims

If Pakistanis committed horrible atrocities such as those in India then certainly.

Having said that im certainly not proud of the way many things are in Pakistan, but we Pakistanis generally tend to accept criticism. Now I dont actively hunt down Indians to admonish them, but here you are on a forum for Pakistanis...
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You are either naive or an accute hypocrat. In both cases nobody can make you admit the reality. I told you to check with statistics.You are not ready. You may please google and find out what is genocide. You are pretending that you don't know Armanian /syrian Genocide committed by Turks. You are telling that the present Turkey is Predominantly Muslims. The fact is that there are a large number of vaccant/converted (to Mosques) churches /monasteries in Turkey. That is called Genocide. Now Turkey can bost as a secular nation as there is practically nobody except Muslims in that country (99.8% muslims) Also the Hindus/sikhs of Pakistan is running for cover from their Muslim brothers. And there is a fantastic blasphemy law in Pakistan which can be utilised at any time against their minority .
You mentioned Sikh massacre and Gujarat cases. In both cases there is no intention to eliminate the affected community as such . Both the cases were the reaction to some unfortunate incidents. (But I am not justifying the massacre and codemn those). In India Sikhs and Muslims (In Gujarat Also) are flourishing both quantitatively and qualitatively. (I dont know why you are specially interested with Sikhs; a community which dominates in all the walk of Indian life). So you cannot attribute the cruel word "genocide" with India. But the same I can attribute to You .Because your minority is decreasing in all the way and if the Talibanisation of your society becomes a reality ,they (minority) will sieze to exist in Pakistan.
I think I am close to reality,in my comments .You may please check clearly and then reply

[Med911]

@truth_finder

If Pakistanis committed horrible atrocities such as those in India then certainly.

Having said that im certainly not proud of the way many things are in Pakistan, but we Pakistanis generally tend to accept criticism. Now I dont actively hunt down Indians to admonish them, but here you are on a forum for Pakistanis...

          I think I am close to reality,in my comments .You may please check clearly and then reply

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You are either slow in thnking or blatantly self deluding...

Turkey may or may not be the model of a nation, but we aren't talking about Turkey, we are talking about India...

There is no Turk here to defend his nation against you, so I dont know why you are attacking them.

Secondly...
Like I have been telling you ignorant countrymen time and again. Show me proof of the mass exodus of minorities from Pakistan...

You Indians think you can make a cliam and we should all believe it?

Im simply tired of explaining to you how this works. ITS YOUR JOB to prove your accusations as valid not mine. Its your accusation, so prove it to us.

We arent perfect in Pakistan, but I can assure you there is no exodus happening here.
Sikhs and Hindus have lived here for a very long time as have Christians.

The difference is that while we ackowledge our faults, you ignore yours and defend your attrocities and your genocides.

Your people are guilty of mass murder on not just one but many occasions.
We have nothing to compare in Pakistan...

The Sikh numbers will grow im sure as will Muslim etc because people like having sex and reproducing. Thats no different in Pak. The difference is that if any of your minorities look at a Hindu the wrong way, you have another riot on your hands and thousands of Sikhs will be killed in one mass orgies... Once its over no one will ever be punished and you will continue trying to convince yourself and the world that India is a place where everything is harmonious and quaint.

I would go so far as to say that more minorites have been killed in your genocides then ever have been killed in PAKISTAN...
This is a fact and its documented.
And yes, they were at the time a calculated an planned atack on a minority. Hence it was genocide.
You dont like the word perhaps, but that is what it is.

Your accusations against Pakistan are nothing more then conjecture and hearsay. Your just regurgitating the same garbage your govt and media have fed your mind since birth.

I think your closer to the reality that every Indian paints for himself. You display nothing more then your inherent bias towards Pakistan, that you have been brainwashed to accept as reality. You know absolutely nothing about the country beyond what you hear, but you make sweeping accusations based on little or no proof.

[Med911]

@truth_finder

If Pakistanis committed horrible atrocities such as those in India then certainly.

Having said that im certainly not proud of the way many things are in Pakistan, but we Pakistanis generally tend to accept criticism. Now I dont actively hunt down Indians to admonish them, but here you are on a forum for Pakistanis...

.Because your minority is decreasing in all the way and if the Talibanisation of your society becomes a reality ,they (minority) will sieze to exist in Pakistan.
I think I am close to reality,in my comments .You may please check clearly and then reply
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And no. There is no talibanization of PAKISTAN. You have absolutely no clue what your talking about. You ignorance is breathtaking... The minorites are where they are... Agin, an Indians proclamation are as far from reality as possible.

honestly, PLEASE TRY TO TRAVEL A LITTLE AND SEE THE WORLD FOR YOURSELF.

[Med911]

@truth_finder

If Pakistanis committed horrible atrocities such as those in India then certainly.

Having said that im certainly not proud of the way many things are in Pakistan, but we Pakistanis generally tend to accept criticism. Now I dont actively hunt down Indians to admonish them, but here you are on a forum for Pakistanis...

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Again, bottom line, India has documented genocide of minorites in its history.. PAKISTAN does not...
My point is that India is not really all that better then Pakistan or Turkey... Infact its worse.

[truth_finder]

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Again, bottom line, India has documented genocide of minorites in its history.. PAKISTAN does not...
My point is that India is not really all that better then Pakistan or Turkey... Infact its worse.
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 If you are sleeeping  I can  make you  wake .But if you are pretend to sleep what can I do? Be in your well of Islamic Pakistan and think/bark that there is no world better than it. That is your choice ;but spare the Hindus as they were not attackers . They have never captured  any land or kept any other race under their control.They began their run from the middle east through Sindh ,Afganistan to this Land . Now there is only the sea of Bengal. So they can do nothing but defend,just like Israel.

[truth_finder]

I think I am close to reality,in my comments .You may please check clearly and then reply

You are either slow in thnking or blatantly self deluding...

Turkey may or may not be the model of a nation, but we aren't talking about Turkey, we are talking about India...

There is no Turk here to defend his nation against you, so I dont know why you are attacking them.

Secondly...
Like I have been telling you ignorant countrymen time and again. Show me proof of the mass exodus of minorities from Pakistan...

You Indians think you can make a cliam and we should all believe it?

Im simply tired of explaining to you how this works. ITS YOUR JOB to prove your accusations as valid not mine. Its your accusation, so prove it to us.

We arent perfect in Pakistan, but I can assure you there is no exodus happening here.
Sikhs and Hindus have lived here for a very long time as have Christians.

The difference is that while we ackowledge our faults, you ignore yours and defend your attrocities and your genocides.

Your people are guilty of mass murder on not just one but many occasions.
We have nothing to compare in Pakistan...

The Sikh numbers will grow im sure as will Muslim etc because people like having sex and reproducing. Thats no different in Pak. The difference is that if any of your minorities look at a Hindu the wrong way, you have another riot on your hands and thousands of Sikhs will be killed in one mass orgies... Once its over no one will ever be punished and you will continue trying to convince yourself and the world that India is a place where everything is harmonious and quaint.

I would go so far as to say that more minorites have been killed in your genocides then ever have been killed in PAKISTAN...
This is a fact and its documented.
And yes, they were at the time a calculated an planned atack on a minority. Hence it was genocide.
You dont like the word perhaps, but that is what it is.

Your accusations against Pakistan are nothing more then conjecture and hearsay. Your just regurgitating the same garbage your govt and media have fed your mind since birth.

I think your closer to the reality that every Indian paints for himself. You display nothing more then your inherent bias towards Pakistan, that you have been brainwashed to accept as reality. You know absolutely nothing about the country beyond what you hear, but you make sweeping accusations based on little or no proof.
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             It is very interesting to read an accute hypocrat. Because One can laugh ;an open laugh. What proof you need than solid statistics. I mentioned Turkey to inform you that there is one more country in the world which tries to make darkness by closing  its own eye. There also, statistics tell you that their minorities(mainly Christains had been dissappeared). But Turkey people vehmently oppose this (just like Pakistan) and even  boast to the world that they are  secular with almost 99.8% muslim population (Is it a very interesting to hear that ?.I fear Pakistan will follow Turkey ie anihilate all its minority and then declare they we are secular). <br> 

        When I hear from you that minorities are well protected  and treated equally in Pakistan , with your wonderful blasphemy law and the ongoing Talibanisation of your country (Remember the recent treatment got by the Sikhs---either be killed or convert to Islam or Pay a huge sum as Head Tax!!! What a wonderful treatment!!) I cannot stand remembering Turkey.   <br>

   Now you comapre India with its wonderful popualtion mix and jump to the  decisions like India is committing genocide...india is committing genocide .... Bark man bark ..so that you may escape from the guity conscious from facing the bitter reality.

[Med911]

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It is very interesting to read an accute hypocrat. Because One can laugh ;an open laugh. What proof you need than solid statistics. I mentioned Turkey to inform you that there is one more country in the world which tries to make darkness by closing its own eye. There also, statistics tell you that their minorities(mainly Christains had been dissappeared). But Turkey people vehmently oppose this (just like Pakistan) and even boast to the world that they are secular with almost 99.8% muslim population (Is it a very interesting to hear that ?.I fear Pakistan will follow Turkey ie anihilate all its minority and then declare they we are secular).

        When I hear from you that minorities are well protected  and  treated equally in Pakistan , with your wonderful blasphemy law and the  ongoing Talibanisation of your country (Remember the recent treatment  got by the Sikhs---either be killed or convert to Islam or Pay a huge  sum as Head Tax!!! What a wonderful treatment!!) I cannot stand  remembering Turkey.   <br>

   Now you comapre India with its wonderful popualtion mix and jump  to the  decisions like India is committing genocide...india is  committing genocide .... Bark man bark ..so that you may escape from the  guity conscious from facing the bitter reality.

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Again, very stupid argument...

Just because Turkey has 99.9999 percent Muslims, you say they drove out all their Christians and are in denial... You also claim that the Turks are intentionally covering up this dark secret.

Then you equate this with Pakistan and claim Pakistan drove out its citizens.

All this on zero proof and zero evidence. Just the opinion of an Indian... Do you know how much an Indians opinion is worth to anyone? Not very much.

You have absolutely no argument here so stop wasting my time with your garbage.

The Blasphemy law unfotunately is what it is, but that certainly does not mean that it is being used against ALL minorities... Pakistan according to CIA world Fact book has 5 percent Hindus and Christians and others. In a country of 174,500,000 that makes 8, 725,000 minority members. Where did all those numbers come from?!?!? And why are they still here?!?!?

As for the recent trouble with the Taliban terrorists. The Taliban represent a criminal organization not the govt of Pakistan nor the people of Pakistan.
The are a fringe group of criminals.
The Sikhs who were told to leave or convert were given shelter in and helped out by the govt. They apparently have returned.
The unfortunate Sikhs who was killed, while the other two were rescued mind you, was a solitary incident...
You forget that these people have been living in that region peacefully for many years.

The people who killed this unfortunate Sikh individual have killed far more Muslims. Yet you dont claim any pogrom against Muslims do you?

Now your going to claim that the murder of a single Sikh by criminals in Pakistan can be compared to the murder of 3000 Sikhs in India at the hands of a Hindu mob...
YOU KILLED 3000 OF THESE PEOPLE! Men women and children!

You Indians are genocidal.. And worse, your in denial. Its pathetic. Dont put Pakistan in the same category as barbaric Indians.

[Med911]

Again, bottom line, India has documented genocide of minorites in its history.. PAKISTAN does not... My point is that India is not really all that better then Pakistan or Turkey... Infact its worse.

 If you are sleeeping  I can  make you  wake .But if you are pretend to sleep what can I do? Be in your well of Islamic Pakistan and think/bark that there is no world better than it. That is your choice ;but spare the Hindus as they were not attackers . They have never captured  any land or kept any other race under their control.They began their run from the middle east through Sindh ,Afganistan to this Land . Now there is only the sea of Bengal. So they can do nothing but defend,just like Israel.

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I know there are many countries better then Pakistan on many levels...
India howeve is not one of them...

India is actually one of the worst countries out there.

Why? Because you are a nation that is guilty of mass murder and your in denial...

Hindus are invaders just like the rest... Hindus had to come from some place. They didnt just pop out of the ground like sabzi.

Whats even worse is that you Hindus not only invaded India, you imposed a racist system of segregation and humiliation on the population that was here before you. AKA the caste system. Muslims were decent enough not to turn you Hindus into sub human slaves, but what you Hindus did was inexcusable.

So please dont play innocent.

Now you can bark some more...

[truth_finder]

Again, very stupid argument...

Just because Turkey has 99.9999 percent Muslims, you say they drove out all their Christians and are in denial... You also claim that the Turks are intentionally covering up this dark secret.

Then you equate this with Pakistan and claim Pakistan drove out its citizens.

All this on zero proof and zero evidence. Just the opinion of an Indian... Do you know how much an Indians opinion is worth to anyone? Not very much.

You have absolutely no argument here so stop wasting my time with your garbage.

The Blasphemy law unfotunately is what it is, but that certainly does not mean that it is being used against ALL minorities... Pakistan according to CIA world Fact book has 5 percent Hindus and Christians and others. In a country of 174,500,000 that makes 8, 725,000 minority members. Where did all those numbers come from?!?!? And why are they still here?!?!?

As for the recent trouble with the Taliban terrorists. The Taliban represent a criminal organization not the govt of Pakistan nor the people of Pakistan.
The are a fringe group of criminals.
The Sikhs who were told to leave or convert were given shelter in and helped out by the govt. They apparently have returned.
The unfortunate Sikhs who was killed, while the other two were rescued mind you, was a solitary incident...
You forget that these people have been living in that region peacefully for many years.

The people who killed this unfortunate Sikh individual have killed far more Muslims. Yet you dont claim any pogrom against Muslims do you?

Now your going to claim that the murder of a single Sikh by criminals in Pakistan can be compared to the murder of 3000 Sikhs in India at the hands of a Hindu mob...
YOU KILLED 3000 OF THESE PEOPLE! Men women and children!

You Indians are genocidal.. And worse, your in denial. Its pathetic. Dont put Pakistan in the same category as barbaric Indians.
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    I know I am talking to a pure ignorent /hypocrat. I asked you to compare the statistics. Statistics of 1947 and 2010. In India Muslims increased from 10% to 18% .ie India has now 20,000,0000 Muslims. It was a mere 3 crore in 1947. Still you are telling that genocide is happening in India. My argument is that I can attribute that to Pakistan as its minorities are decreasing (take %)  . You are trying to ignore  the Blasphemy law  and the Sikh incident. No Muslim can understand the mental torture of such a law as there is no such cruelity anywhere in the world ,except in Muslim countries. If you were living in US and if there had been a 'blasphemy law ' then you would have understood what is the idiocity and cruelty of  of such a law. (May be you people are thinking that God almighty needs your help for his existence/good name as some people consider themselves above God!).

           Again one will get more horrified by head Tax and the slogan from a mob 'either be killed or convert to muslim or pay a huge ransom" than  the killings due to some other unfortunate inscidents. This trick (either be killed or convert or pay Head tax ) is being applied by radical Muslims for centuries. The result;now there is no/very few non muslims in Afganistan ,Turkey,Iraq. Soon there will not be any in NWFP and other talibanised areas in Pakistan. My fear is that the same trick you will apply to all of Pakistan to declare it as a secular nation,just like Turkey. !!

                So again, spare Indians especially Hindus as they began their run from middle east through Sindh, Afganistan to this Land.   Peace..

[truth_finder]

If you are sleeeping I can make you wake .But if you are pretend to sleep what can I do? Be in your well of Islamic Pakistan and think/bark that there is no world better than it. That is your choice ;but spare the Hindus as they were not attackers . They have never captured any land or kept any other race under their control.They began their run from the middle east through Sindh ,Afganistan to this Land . Now there is only the sea of Bengal. So they can do nothing but defend,just like Israel.

I know there are many countries better then Pakistan on many levels...
India howeve is not one of them...

India is actually one of the worst countries out there.

Why? Because you are a nation that is guilty of mass murder and your in denial...

Hindus are invaders just like the rest... Hindus had to come from some place. They didnt just pop out of the ground like sabzi.

Whats even worse is that you Hindus not only invaded India, you imposed a racist system of segregation and humiliation on the population that was here before you. AKA the caste system. Muslims were decent enough not to turn you Hindus into sub human slaves, but what you Hindus did was inexcusable.

So please dont play innocent.

Now you can bark some more...
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          Go sir ,Go and read some history books.  So that your ignorence may come down a little bit . But no hope how can a hypocrat come to reality.

[Med911]

First of all... Learn to spell hypocrite.. Its not HypocrAt.

Second..

I am not ingoring anything.

I told you that the Sikhs have been living in that area for centuries. They have only had problems recently. And that to due to terrorists, not the general Pakistani population... The reason these people stayed was because the people of the tribal area were and are a good people... They protected these people during the partition when so many of their people were killed leaving Pakistan and so many Muslims were killed leaving India.
You are so ignorant of history that you dont know this fact.

Again I repeat... These people have lived in Pakistan all this time because they have felt safe.

You cant draw such a huge conclusion from the unfortunate death of one Sikh at the hands of criminals...

I repeat, you Indians murdered 3000 Sikhs! And you have audacity to point fingers at us.

And yes there are laws that are used to discriminate against minorites, and hopefully these laws will be changed. But as it stands, we ahavent witness mass genocide off the kind in India. Mental torture is what you Indian have put your own people through...

And again... The reason why Indias minorites have grown is because there were ALWAYS huge numbers of minorities in India. Even prior to partition, the parts of India that became Pakistan had a massive Muslim majority.
But whether these numbers have shrank and why, is a mystery to me.. I dont think it has shrunk. But that is an assumption..
I have asked you Indians to prove how and why this has happned as your the ones make thing accusation, but none of you hve.. All I can say is that You Indians are liars at worst, and biased bigoted hypocrites at best.

Now im asking you again, can you prove what you say about minorities disappearing in Pak or not? Yes or No will suffice.

[Med911]

I know there are many countries better then Pakistan on many levels... India howeve is not one of them...

India is actually one of the worst countries out there.

Why? Because you are a nation that is guilty of mass murder and your in denial...

Hindus are invaders just like the rest... Hindus had to come from some place. They didnt just pop out of the ground like sabzi.

Whats even worse is that you Hindus not only invaded India, you imposed a racist system of segregation and humiliation on the population that was here before you. AKA the caste system. Muslims were decent enough not to turn you Hindus into sub human slaves, but what you Hindus did was inexcusable.

So please dont play innocent.

Now you can bark some more...

          Go sir ,Go and read some history books.  So that your ignorence may come down a little bit . But no hope how can a hypocrat come to reality.

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And you do the same... I suggest you examine the cause of your mass ethnic cleansing and then return..

I also suggest you find proof of your accusations against Pakistan. You dont seem to have a clue what your talking about, but simply regurgitating the same garbage your govt feeds you from birth.

[truth_finder]

@Med911

First of all... Learn to spell hypocrite.. Its not HypocrAt.

Second..

I am not ingoring anything.

I told you that the Sikhs have been living in that area for centuries. They have only had problems recently. And that to due to terrorists, not the general Pakistani population... The reason these people stayed was because the people of the tribal area were and are a good people... They protected these people during the partition when so many of their people were killed leaving Pakistan and so many Muslims were killed leaving India. You are so ignorant of history that you dont know this fact.

Again I repeat... These people have lived in Pakistan all this time because they have felt safe.

You cant draw such a huge conclusion from the unfortunate death of one Sikh at the hands of criminals...

I repeat, you Indians murdered 3000 Sikhs! And you have audacity to point fingers at us.

And yes there are laws that are used to discriminate against minorites, and hopefully these laws will be changed. But as it stands, we ahavent witness mass genocide off the kind in India. Mental torture is what you Indian have put your own people through...

And again... The reason why Indias minorites have grown is because there were ALWAYS huge numbers of minorities in India. Even prior to partition, the parts of India that became Pakistan had a massive Muslim majority. But whether these numbers have shrank and why, is a mystery to me.. I dont think it has shrunk. But that is an assumption.. I have asked you Indians to prove how and why this has happned as your the ones make thing accusation, but none of you hve.. All I can say is that You Indians are liars at worst, and biased bigoted hypocrites at best.

Now im asking you again, can you prove what you say about minorities disappearing in Pak or not? Yes or No will suffice.

I am so sorry for talking to such a HypocrAt. (I am ot good in english and english is not the subject here). Be in your well and dream for another Muslim country in south asia. If our people are not vigilant your dream may come true.

[Med911]

@truth_finder

I am so sorry for talking to such a HypocrAt. (I am ot good in english and english is not the subject here). Be in your well and dream for another Muslim country in south asia. If our people are not vigilant your dream may come true.

Bhai... Believe what you like. But realize that all accusations require proof. If you cant provide valid proof than you have no valid point.

[Raj_ind]

Again i would say that the fights in the early era of Islam is a totally different debate which need totally different attitude.. same like the Hindus has been fighting with each other, may it be the RAM or the Pandavs or others... the Holy scriptures says that Hindu GOD fought each other on certain issues, so it can be said that Hindu religion has been fed by the Blood right from the start and not by humans but the gods of the religion... but like i said, this is not the topic we are discussing and if you like to have discussion on it, you can have a separate thread for it...

I m sorry for not getting through U, what I meant to say was that muslims have been killing muslims since early days of islam and justifying it. Today's condition is no different. I was trying to bring Muslim brand of hypocrisy to ur notice which becomes evident when few or even more than few muslims get killed in Palestine, Kashmir or elsewhere and stories of genocide and massacre start flowing, but muslim tear gland turns virtually dry when muslims are massacred in millions in places like Darfur or iraq or erstwhile east Pakistan and the list is endless and still counting. U know that very well, dont U?

U can draw a parallel by quoting examples of Rama, and Pandavas. But how hollow it sound is not so difficult to hear.

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ed your reply earlier but couldn't believe what i was reading that is y i purposely asked it again,

If your theory is right then same applies to Hindus as well, the Col. Prohat who had his hands in Malegaon and Samjhota Express blast is being protected by the Army and other institutions in India, which do send the message that it is holy duty of Hindu to kill all the muslims... and unlike you if I maintain this stance, then i think i can argue that YES to be pious HINDU one had to hate and consider all other humans inferiors .. and thing is not only non-hindus but the Hindus are considered inferior compare to others on the basis family-ism...

So it may be true for hindus to kill and/or support anyone who is killing muslims but it is not true as per Islam... in Islam, killing an innocent human means, killing of humanity..

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Brother again hollow sounds coming from ur end. col purohit or any other hindu scum, all are illegitimate children of religion of hatred, not hinduism.

I agree that according to an ayah of holy quran, killing of innocent human means killing of whole humanity. But who is innocent according to Islamic POV? Does anyone who doesnt believe in prophethood of the holy prophet is innocent? does anyone who doesnt believe holy quran to be word of ALLAH is innocent? does anyone who is at war with ALLAH and his prophet, ie devouring interest, killing another muslim, dividing into sects is innocent? Are Ahmadis who according to vast majority of muslims, reject the finality of prophethood of the holy prophet, are innocent? there are many questions which could be asked in this series, and I m afraid most of the time answer may be a big NO. So killing of above mentioned human being is justifiable.

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Now back to my question..

Hafiz Saeed and many others like him is not the product of hatred against India or Hindus... they are direct product of Kashmir policy of India.. today or tomorrow hafiz saeed and other like him can die due to natural or un-natural reasons... but the ideology would stay... More like him shall come to the front..

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Hmmmmmmmm, I m just wondering how U could be related by those who justify killing of innocent muslims in Pakistan giving their own reason Pakistan's policy of rejecting Shariyah of the holy prophet. I leave it upon ur own conscience brother. But I will just remind U that every time a human being is killed, killer has his own justification of his inhuman act. Killers of Siffin and Jamal had their own justification, killers of Iraq Iran war had their own, killers of east Pakistan had their own, and killers of Darfur have their own. Still I agree with U that ideology of hatred never dies, history testify this.

U can argue that hatred towards India or hindus have nothing to do in case of Hafiz Saeed and likes of him, but question still remain, isnt a pious muslim obliged religiously to fight hindus and India who are undisputed champions of shirk and in Islamic terms are at war with ALLAH and his prophet because of associating multiple partners with ALLAH? I m afraid whether U will reply or not.

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Let me give you example

Israel, India's ultimate ally, killed Sheikh Yassin and many other from the top leader of Palestinian resistance, did they killed the resistance??? well you know the answer.. a big NO..

Same with Kashmir.. Hafiz Saeed is just a name, which is fighting for the right of Kashmiries, even if he is removed from the scene, somebody else will come forward. Maqbool BUTT is not here any more, but the resistance movement is still there...

So want to get rid of troubles, Give Kashmiries their right of existence.
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I agree brother, Pakistan, the only Nation to be formed in the name of Islam joined hands with kuffar Americans and devastated Afghanistan, but what happened afterward is no secret. Could they kill the Afgani resietance, well U know the answer a big NO.

Same with swati talibaans, who are fighting for the rule of ALLAH, if one is removed from the scene by Pakistan's ultimate ally, America, somebody else comes forward and takes command. Someone may be not here any more, but the terrorism movement is still there, this is the fruit which policies of hatred bears.

What could I suggest U to do if U want to get rid of troubles? I m afraid I could.

Peace.

[hanibal]

I m sorry for not getting through U, what I meant to say was that muslims have been killing muslims since early days of islam and justifying it. Today's condition is no different. I was trying to bring Muslim brand of hypocrisy to ur notice which becomes evident when few or even more than few muslims get killed in Palestine, Kashmir or elsewhere and stories of genocide and massacre start flowing, but muslim tear gland turns virtually dry when muslims are massacred in millions in places like Darfur or iraq or erstwhile east Pakistan and the list is endless and still counting. U know that very well, dont U?

That is exactly my point, Hindus are killing other Hindus, infact unlike Muslims, the GOD of hindus are marching and destroying other Hindu Gods.. so it will be same on the hindu side, the bloodshed was their right from the time of GODs, when according to Hindu religion, GOD(s) use to live on earth they use to fight each other, support others, have done conspiracies against the stronger GODs.. so in the light of this, i can say that, BLOODSHED, CONSPIRACIES, SEX are the brand ambassadors of Hindu Religion,

Now if your sources are just Western or indian channels then i am sorry that you will not get muslim reaction on the events in Sudan, Iraq, Palestine and others on those...

U can draw a parallel by quoting examples of Rama, and Pandavas. But how hollow it sound is not so difficult to hear.

Ofcourse anything you say is solid anything said against ur theories are hollow, this is how u debate, isn't it... i won't ask for explanation on it as it is not the topic nor it is right place, but it does said alot about ur national attitude...

rBrother again hollow sounds coming from ur end. col purohit or any other hindu scum, all are illegitimate children of religion of hatred, not hinduism.

Like you, we only see them as hindus who are ever-ready to kill and/or hurt muslims... you can call them what ever you want, but they are product of your very own religion.. they are working on your religious scripture, which says that Brahmin is the best and rest is their to serve them.. so in essence people like Col. Prohat and others are trying to teach lessons to their (Should be) slaves/servants.. he and others like him are not doing it because they have any un-solved issue with Pakistan, they are doing it because they hate muslims.. and their actions shows they true face of Hindu religion.. and is rightly supported by the attitude India had for last 60 years for solving the Issues...

I agree that according to an ayah of holy quran, killing of innocent human means killing of whole humanity. But who is innocent according to Islamic POV? Does anyone who doesnt believe in prophethood of the holy prophet is innocent? does anyone who doesnt believe holy quran to be word of ALLAH is innocent? does anyone who is at war with ALLAH and his prophet, ie devouring interest, killing another muslim, dividing into sects is innocent? Are Ahmadis who according to vast majority of muslims, reject the finality of prophethood of the holy prophet, are innocent? there are many questions which could be asked in this series, and I m afraid most of the time answer may be a big NO. So killing of above mentioned human being is justifiable.

Now this shows you knowledge of Islam.. i'll try to keep it as simple and small as possible

Innocent man is the one, who had not murdered anyone, who have not committed adultery, who have not committed any crime/conspiracy against the muslim state and if he is non-muslim then he is living under then he don't have to accept the prophet hood... U seem to have keen interest in Muslim History, have you not seen that even the JEWS acknowledge that they have enjoyed all the civil rights and freedom which was never their when they were under Christian/Iranian rule!!! I totally understand if this part has missed by you as it glorifies the muslims.. whom you consider nothing more then blood hunger murderers...

Hmmmmmmmm, I m just wondering how U could be related by those who justify killing of innocent muslims in Pakistan giving their own reason Pakistan's policy of rejecting Shariyah of the holy prophet. I leave it upon ur own conscience brother. But I will just remind U that every time a human being is killed, killer has his own justification of his inhuman act. Killers of Siffin and Jamal had their own justification, killers of Iraq Iran war had their own, killers of east Pakistan had their own, and killers of Darfur have their own. Still I agree with U that ideology of hatred never dies, history testify this.

If you have red my earlier reply, i have answered it there

U can argue that hatred towards India or hindus have nothing to do in case of Hafiz Saeed and likes of him, but question still remain, isnt a pious muslim obliged religiously to fight hindus and India who are undisputed champions of shirk and in Islamic terms are at war with ALLAH and his prophet because of associating multiple partners with ALLAH? I m afraid whether U will reply or not.

The answer is NO... If this has been the case, you might have not seen many hindus working in Saudi and other Arab states... but i guess you turn blind eye on this side...

Now again you have mis-concepts against the term called war-against Allah.. to start with, if this has been the case then, Allah All Mighty should have asked to eliminate all non-muslim population from the planet and/or at least from the countries ruled by Muslims... but through out the history this cannot be proven... and i think this is enough to answer your misconception.. you can further google the details on it, but i advice you to take out the glasses of biasness and then look for knowledge as far what i see from your replies, you seem to be reading alot of material published by your hindu brothers and which is filled with half truth and i guess i need not to tell you that how harmful half-truth can be....

I agree brother, Pakistan, the only Nation to be formed in the name of Islam joined hands with kuffar Americans and devastated Afghanistan, but what happened afterward is no secret. Could they kill the Afgani resietance, well U know the answer a big NO.

Didn't accept you to fall so low.. now i think i have to tell you that, from day one, Pakistani nation was against this decision of joining hand with USA in fight against Afghan brothers... the whole Pakistani nation... only few like Musharaf were there supporting this war, Pakistani nation provided all the resistance to the mushy and his regime and till now demand is to give the freedom to the Afghans... i guess you should know/learn the basics before getting into argument,,,

Same with swati talibaans, who are fighting for the rule of ALLAH, if one is removed from the scene by Pakistan's ultimate ally, America, somebody else comes forward and takes command. Someone may be not here any more, but the terrorism movement is still there, this is the fruit which policies of hatred bears.

What could I suggest U to do if U want to get rid of troubles? I m afraid I could.

Peace.

Now i have already answered you about swati taliban, who BTW were product of greed and lust.. and of course it was our indian neighbours who were supporting them with arms and money.. once the operation against them started, they vansihed, this is the difference between the fight for Ideology and fight for greed..

Now with all your attempts to not to talk on the subject, would you tell me how would you try to solve Kashmir Issue.. as if this issue is solved, the ideololgy of Hafiz Saeed will die... and so will his movement... but i guess you won't talk about the core issue and like all Indians will go left, right and center... and i'll be surprised if u do..

[Raj_ind]

That is exactly my point, Hindus are killing other Hindus, infact unlike Muslims, the GOD of hindus are marching and destroying other Hindu Gods.. so it will be same on the hindu side, the bloodshed was their right from the time of GODs, when according to Hindu religion, GOD(s) use to live on earth they use to fight each other, support others, have done conspiracies against the stronger GODs.. so in the light of this, i can say that, BLOODSHED, CONSPIRACIES, SEX are the brand ambassadors of Hindu Religion,

Now if your sources are just Western or indian channels then i am sorry that you will not get muslim reaction on the events in Sudan, Iraq, Palestine and others on those...

I m sorry I dont have that good knowledge of hinduism unlike U. Plz do me a favor and add to my little knowledge about hindu god marching and destroying another hindu gods. Plz also let me know when hindu gods have done conspiracy against another stronger hindu GOD. I will be eagerly waiting for ur reference to corroborate ur theory.

My source of information about behavior of muslims is direct interaction with muslims personally and on sites like this one. I have attended hundred of Friday khutbas and Iztimas. All I could hear abut sudan was duas for muslims being killed in Sudan, U will be surprised to find out that an average muslim doesnt even know about Darfur and what is happening over there. U can urself check this site to find out how many tears have been shed about innocent darfurian muslims who have been massacred by their fellow muslim bretherns.

Reality bites? How much?

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Ofcourse anything you say is solid anything said against ur theories are hollow, this is how u debate, isn't it... i won't ask for explanation on it as it is not the topic nor it is right place, but it does said alot about ur national attitude...
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Yes, because U cant afford to deny when I say that muslims have killed more muslims throughout the history, right from era of RIGHTLY GUIDED CALIPHS,till this date. Muslims have proven themselves to be champions of killing, killing their own muslim brethren in spite of ALLAH selectively prohibiting killing of muslims. What they might have done to non muslims is not hard to judge, but thats not my complain at all.

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ike you, we only see them as hindus who are ever-ready to kill and/or hurt muslims... you can call them what ever you want, but they are product of your very own religion.. they are working on your religious scripture, which says that Brahmin is the best and rest is their to serve them.. so in essence people like Col. Prohat and others are trying to teach lessons to their (Should be) slaves/servants.. he and others like him are not doing it because they have any un-solved issue with Pakistan, they are doing it because they hate muslims.. and their actions shows they true face of Hindu religion.. and is rightly supported by the attitude India had for last 60 years for solving the Issues...

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NO, they are not product of hinduism at all. Hinduism never in any circumstance prescribes killing of any human being. I dare U to prove that hindu scripture calls hindus to kill non hindus or anyone else.

Perhaps U are not aware of the fact that unlike muslims, hindus make dua of welfare of whole mankind after every religious ritual. And U know what whole humankind means, dont U? Enough to teach U the essence of hinduism.

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Now this shows you knowledge of Islam.. i'll try to keep it as simple and small as possible

Innocent man is the one, who had not murdered anyone, who have not committed adultery, who have not committed any crime/conspiracy against the muslim state and if he is non-muslim then he is living under then he don't have to accept the prophet hood... U seem to have keen interest in Muslim History, have you not seen that even the JEWS acknowledge that they have enjoyed all the civil rights and freedom which was never their when they were under Christian/Iranian rule!!! I totally understand if this part has missed by you as it glorifies the muslims.. whom you consider nothing more then blood hunger murderers...
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Also shows urs knowledge of Islam. I will too try to keep it as simple as possible.

Today practical islam has vanished and shrunk, but it is alive in Saudi Arabia only. Rest of nations could be termed as munafiq nations, isnt it? When we see Saudi Arabia, we fail to find out any non muslim saudi resident, why so? there were millions of jews and christians before Islam took over it. So wiping out of whole non muslim population from Saudi Arabia itself shows the freedom and civil rights TRUE MUSLIMS have granted to non muslims. BTW does freedom of religion comes under ur brand of civil rights or not?

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if you have red my earlier reply, i have answered it there
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Where U have answered? are u kidding?

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The answer is NO... If this has been the case, you might have not seen many hindus working in Saudi and other Arab states... but i guess you turn blind eye on this side...

Now again you have mis-concepts against the term called war-against Allah.. to start with, if this has been the case then, Allah All Mighty should have asked to eliminate all non-muslim population from the planet and/or at least from the countries ruled by Muslims... but through out the history this cannot be proven... and i think this is enough to answer your misconception.. you can further google the details on it, but i advice you to take out the glasses of biasness and then look for knowledge as far what i see from your replies, you seem to be reading alot of material published by your hindu brothers and which is filled with half truth and i guess i need not to tell you that how harmful half-truth can be....

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Kidding again? Find out how much hindus and christians are free to practice their religion in the only true muslim state, Saudi Arabia. I guess U need to learn meaning of blind eye too.

Feel free to remove my misconceptions abot the term called war against ALLAH. Are muslims, who are not implementing shariyah in their respective states are writing laws for themselves, are at war with ALLAH or not? Care to answer?

And thanks for giving me lessons on half truth, I know how much qualification U have on subjects like this, ur utterances about hinduism and hindu gods have showed them all.

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Didn't accept you to fall so low.. now i think i have to tell you that, from day one, Pakistani nation was against this decision of joining hand with USA in fight against Afghan brothers... the whole Pakistani nation... only few like Musharaf were there supporting this war, Pakistani nation provided all the resistance to the mushy and his regime and till now demand is to give the freedom to the Afghans... i guess you should know/learn the basics before getting into argument,,,

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Naturally a great and ethical man like urself cant expect others to fall low. But done worry, historians will write Pakistani resistance against their nation joining hands with America. the world knows very well. And the world knows this too that how much muslims have been blood thirsty of their own muslim brethren.

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Now i have already answered you about swati taliban, who BTW were product of greed and lust.. and of course it was our indian neighbours who were supporting them with arms and money.. once the operation against them started, they vansihed, this is the difference between the fight for Ideology and fight for greed..

Now with all your attempts to not to talk on the subject, would you tell me how would you try to solve Kashmir Issue.. as if this issue is solved, the ideololgy of Hafiz Saeed will die... and so will his movement... but i guess you won't talk about the core issue and like all Indians will go left, right and center... and i'll be surprised if u do..

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Ohhhhh I see, so the suicide bombings and jihad of Talibaan have vanished too or its still alive and kicking? lets see whether ideology of hatred vanished or have spread even wider.

Ideology of Hafiz Saeed and co. is only responsible for sufferings of muslims in Kashmir and other prats of the world. Once this ideology is replaced by Gandhian ideology, all problems will vanish.

Peace.

[Faris_Udeen]

Re: Hafiz Saeed threatens India with jihad

Oh dear

The old adage comes to mind of two bald men fighting over a comb.