Hadith & Sunnah is forbidden by Quran

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You did not answer my question. Where do you think these sects got their way of praying from? And why should this be the only way to pray?

Why don't we hear any Christians asking how do we pray? How do Christians pray?

3.113-115. Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right

How do these people prostrate? Do they do it like the Muslim sects do?

22.34 To every people did We appoint rites (of sacrifice), that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals (fit for food). But your Allah is One Allah. submit then your wills to Him (in Islam): and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves,-

22.18 Seest thou not that to Allah bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? But a great number are (also) such as are fit for Punishment: and such as Allah shall disgrace,- None can raise to honour: for Allah carries out all that He wills.

22.26 Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

22.37 It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah. it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.

22.40 (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah.. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).

Don't limit God! He is everyone's God and not just the sects. This is the problem with sectarianism, each has become an exclusive tribe. God is for everyone.

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You did not answer my question. Where do you think these sects got their way of praying from? And why should this be the only way to pray?
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they got it from hadith , all fiqahs base their prayer methods on hadith and there is a huge overlap even between sunni fiqahs and jafari fiqah
they have their sources good or bad authentic or not that is another debate

where can we find your way of praying thats the question ?

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Why don't we hear any Christians asking how do we pray? How do Christians pray?

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thats their problem they didnt preserve the seerah of their Prophets and corrupted the texts thats why Quran was sent down with Muhammad to remove the inovations and straighten the deen again

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3.113-115. Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right

How do these people prostrate? Do they do it like the Muslim sects do?

22.34 To every people did We appoint rites (of sacrifice), that they might celebrate the name of Allah over the sustenance He gave them from animals (fit for food). But your Allah is One Allah. submit then your wills to Him (in Islam): and give thou the good news to those who humble themselves,-

22.18 Seest thou not that to Allah bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? But a great number are (also) such as are fit for Punishment: and such as Allah shall disgrace,- None can raise to honour: for Allah carries out all that He wills.

22.26 Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

22.37 It is not their meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah. it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His Guidance to you and proclaim the good news to all who do right.

22.40 (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah.. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).

So whats this? Who is this talking about then?

5.46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

****5.48 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel

Which scriptures is this talking about then?

Wht r u doing ?
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Well, I am not the one telling you that you need another miracle to believe in GOD’s revelations, GOD is telling you that you need it. If GOD says ‘19’ is going to confirm the Quran, than it is going to confirm the Quran. If you think you don’t need it, than you are actually saying you know better than GOD. Naturally, we know that you do not.

[74:30] Over it is nineteen.* ](Chapter 74, The Hidden Secret (Al-Muddath-thir) Footnotes) [74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19)
(1) to disturb the disbelievers,
(2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture),
(3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
**(4) **to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers,
and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, “What did GOD mean by this allegory?” GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
[74:32] Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon.
[74:33] And the night as it passes.
[74:34] And the morning as it shines.
[74:35] This is one of the great miracles.
[74:36] A warning to the human race.
[74:37] For those among you **who wish to advance, or regress. **

Since GOD states ‘We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19)’ is an ALLEGORY. Immediately, we know that ‘19’ is not referring to number of angels guarding hell.

The math miracle of ‘19’ really is a big test for those who claim they are believers. If they are believers, they will believe GOD and accept HIS glorious proofs. If a person is a hypocrite or disbeliever in GOD’s revelations they will NOT accept it and focus on the allegory in the verse and think it means something other than the math miracle. Like I stated earlier, GOD did say it was an allegory. Thus, the meaning is different than the literal context.

So again. I am not saying you need a math miracle to purge your old corrupted traditions, GOD is saying you need it. Otherwise, he would not have given the world such a HUGE blessing and miracle to guide the human race to the pristine original uncorrupted Islam. The way Muhammad practiced it.

The decision is yours to make. Here is the evidence. It is your Quranic duty to verify all information…

Proof Of GOD - Proof Of The Truth

Peace
submitmj

Hawa ke naam
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Even Shaytan knows more about Quran and Islam than we could ever in our lifetime learn, so does that mean if Shaytan were to present something from Quran and interpret it for us, we forego the ways of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and just believer any "stanger" because of some "math equation?"...

Quran is complete, its very completion within the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is miracle enough for those who want to believe. For others, who either don't believe fully, or invent themselves titles as to justify their skewed view of Islam to suit their desires, or those who wish to sow the seeds of doubt in the hearts of believing, God fearing men will come with a million daleels but will never be able to convince those who truly believe and love Allah (swt), and His messenger (pbuh) from the heart. No matter how hard they try, no matter how "convincing" and "creative" they seem to get.

If you guys get your answer, consider it a miracle. Because so far all i see is parroting, and repetition, yet no Straight answer to such a simple question:

How do i pray? Do i place my hands on waist or head? Or do i sing to praise the Lord like Christians do? Such simple questions, yet not a straight answer. Just circular responses and tangent remarks.

:)

Remember the age of Dajjal, where mini dajjals will run amock and work very hard to lead believers astray. And whenever you encounter Dajjal, recite Surah Al-Kahf and seek refuge in Allah (swt)

Source: Courtesy of authenic hadith.

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You think its simple question I find it strange. Christians actually don't pray like that, thats Church service. Do Muslims pray by hearing a khutbah? Anyways I will open up a thread tomorrow about how I pray. Right now i am pooped and going to sleep.

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So, your way (coming from a person who does not even take Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w as being authentic) is supposed to convince the rest of us is the most correct way to pray?

I don't want to know how you pray. I want to be shown from Quran how i'm supposed to pray. I want my instructions, where do i place my hands, when do i go into Sujood, when do i rise again, when do i finish my prayer, the whole nine yards.

I have no question about Supremacy of Quran, i hold it in the higest regard, but i also hold dear hadiths and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.), because Sunnah shows us how the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) prayed. How he behaved, how he acted, how he dealt with believer and nonbelievers alike, his virtues, his characters (as should be the characters of every believer), and most important of all points which you seem to ignore altogether his fulfillment of Quran in practical life. Living according to Sunnah is living insync with Quran's teachings, and to live according to Quran's teachings is to believe in Quran and seek Allah's pleasure.

So no tangents please. Don't even personalize the matter because i don't care for "your" way of worship. I care for the Prophet's way of living according to Quran and according to Allah's will. Surely the Prophet would not have acted in any way which displeased Allah (swt), including manner of prayers and supplication.

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Brother vigoratus and Das Reich! It is useless to continue with these people. I asked few simple questions but they were not able to answer those..........state of denial. They are saying the same thing again and again. Conversely they think that we NaoozubiLlah don't believe in Quran...........What a hypocricy.........These are the people about whom Quran say.... SUMMUN, BUKMUN, UMYUN FAHUM LA YARJEOON.

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Naturally, this is your source of truth. Why don't you follow what came out of Prophet Muhammad's mouth (the Quran)? Why are you so averse to that? After all, that is 100% authentic. Why do you follow the hearsay after his death, and not what he actually said (Quran)? If you love him so much why don't you do what he told you and follow the Quran?

peace
submitmj

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messed up ! just my 2 cents

anyway bro here is the source of all this fitna i thought i spare them and post it myself rashad khalifa and his extreme deviations
Quran, Hadith, and Islam by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.

cheap sensationalism !

muslims actually lost the battles of uhad, and Mootah right in Prophets lifetime …so you can see how phoney this dude is

on the flipside the most conquests in europe were made by muslims much after third century in 15th century by ottoman turks

first book of hadith is Bukhari ? lol

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A counter website :
The Rashad Khalifa Cult Exposed.

http://answeringlife.blogspot.com/2009/02/rashad-khalifa-and-code-19.html

http://answering-islam.com/rk_2.htm

proof this rashad khalifa was an imposter and false prophet

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So these two persons belong to that DAJJAL Rashad Khalifa cult. Go and get lost, you munafeqins.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH Mr. Das Reich FOR EXPOSING THIS DAJJAL. May Allah bless you with countless rewards.

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You clearly have not done your homework. You take the word of other people before verifying all information. Everything these sites use to discredit the math miracle and Dr. Khalifa can be disproved if a person picked up a Quran and investigated the math miracle thoroughly. All you have to do is have sincerity and focus on what the Quran says. In addition, Sura 9:128-129 are FALSE. They were always suspect by the Mullahs, but the math miracle irrefutably confirmed they are false. The reason the number of times “GOD” is mentioned stayed the same was because he missed one “GOD” word in Sura 9:15. Thus, the number of times “GOD” is mentioned in the Quran stayed the same at 2698 (19 x142). All the claims on these sites can be answered. Just go and verify the math miracle for yourself and you will see the truth. The evidence those 2 verses are false is overwhelming and vast. Math doesn’t lie, only people.

For the record, Rashad Khalifa NEVER claimed to be a prophet. Muhammad is the last prophet, just not the last messenger which is VERY, VERY clear in the Quran.
The 2 false verses (Proof they don’t belong)

peace
submitmj

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The example of our misguided brother's technique is that of comparing apples and oranges. when you ask for one thing, you're given something totally different as if your question did not need answering.

earlier when i said all those scholars spent their lives studying the faith and scrutinizing the textual accounts of hadith in the light of Quran, the reply to that was a verse from the holy Quran (taken out of context to answer me ofcourse) about "taking Priests and Saints as GODS". Astagfirullah.

Scholars are teachers. What answer do you have for those whose mother tongue is not arabic, therefore have to rely on English translation which most likely too was done by a scholar at one point or another? :) The theory of mathematical miracle, parroted over and over is as if one needs math to believe in Quran. Those who believe in it, do so because of what the text says, not because of how many numbers come out of it as a tool of amazement for some. Quran is indeed full of miracles, but the biggest miracle of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is Quran itself. So how do you just totally ignore the person through whom the text was revealed for us? How do you discredit his lifestyle as not being a prime example for all aspiring momins who wish to achieve the level of companions of the prophet (s.a.w.) and earn the pleasure of Allah?

These questions are not to be answered, because they in the most likelyhood will not be answered, instead what will be presented is yet "more of the same". Such is the way of those who play the part of misguiders and hope to lead others astray.

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I don't mean to hurt anyone, and i think people are free to beleive in whatever they want to beleive, but, come on, this math miracle! its so obviously a hoax.

Just tell me who teh hell assigned these numbers to letters? Obviously not Quran or Allah.

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By the way this is interesting read rom a mathematician
http://www.answering-islam.org/Religions/Numerics/brendan.html

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Hey, if you do not believe GOD in Sura 74:30-35 when HE says ‘19’ will confirm the Quran is from GOD, and is one of the great miracles, that is your free will choice. The fact of the matter is GOD put a math miracle in the Quran to strengthen the faithful, confirm divine origin of the Quran, remove all traces of doubt in the believers, christians and Jews, and EXPOSE the hypocrites and disbelievers. They will not understand the function of 19 from the verse and they will say “what did GOD mean by this allegory?”.

So, tell me… What is the function of ‘19’ according Sura 74:30-37?
[Qruan 74:30] Over it is nineteen.
](Chapter 74, The Hidden Secret (Al-Muddath-thir) Footnotes)
[74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,** (4)** to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers;** they will say, **"What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

[74:32] **Absolutely, (I swear) by the moon. **
[74:33] **And the night as it passes. **
[74:34] **And the morning as it shines. **

[74:35] *This is one of the great miracles. **](Chapter 74, The Hidden Secret (Al-Muddath-thir) Footnotes)
[74:36] A warning to the human race.
[74:37] For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.
I look forward to hearing your answer.

submitmj

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Very interesting thread. The video of Hadith is enlightening as well. Contradictions which cannot be explained. No counter argument so far that I know.

So far what I have gathered that even the strongest argument could not convince the reader why should one follow one sect or other.

Why should one pray three times or five times.

Why should one observe Rafa Yadain or not.

Should anyone place stone or piece of cloth at the site of Sajdah or not?

How much Zakat to be given.

Some scholars make it mandatory for specific timing of salat or amount of zakat. That's fine if you agree with that. I don't think Allah will punish you for praying for one way or other. Otherwise we would have read a specific way of praying in Quran.

I say just pray however you feel comfortable after your sincere search and knowledge and help needy whatever way you can.

Free yourself from another human, so called Aalim.

Quran was not sent to 'Aalims' only.

Why should there be so many sects in muslims and even those who are considered 'non-muslims' for example Ahmadies if one strictly follow Quran and whatever meaning of Khatim is taken without Hadees or Sayings of the Prophet?

Serious questions but very controvertial

In the end the discussion is fruitless.

*Whatever one likes to follow must follow with good heart, sincerity and be respectful to others.
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Muslims have certain sect because they were taught certain ways from childhood.

Quran alone, Quran with Hadees.... What does should matter for an individual? Nothing.
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Muslims should have common ground rather than trivial differences (however important they may look like) divide them.**

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This has been a refreshingly good thread to read in religion forum. This is how it should be.