Re: Hadith & Sunnah is forbidden by Quran
I have not read all of the posts but got some idea what is being discussed by reading several of the posts.
What I see is two extremes of people.
1- Those who put all the weight on hadiths and then read Quran to understand Quran or religion.
2- Those who do not believe hadith at all.
There is no one I see here who disputes Quran as it is however.
(I have not included those who think Quran is not forever and can be interpreted according to the time and understanding/teaching/explanation of 'imams' for making it simple)
Surely you can find many hadith which do appear to contradict with each other. Some even conflict with Quranic verses.
What Quranist are saying that the problem of sects and conflicts are hadiths and their interpretations.
For all of us to be on same page, it probably is wise to take a middle ground.
Believe in Quranic verses and those hadits which are not in conflict with Quran.
I do think Quran should be the first but not the only source of religious understanding.
Some thoughts here for us to ponder.
1- Quran was promised to be preserved, not hadith. (Written in Quran itself-which some say is a circular argument)
2- Quran was spoken by an angel as Allah's words to the prophet.
3- Quran was written by human hands but they wrote and compiled it as best they could as God's own words. (First-person statements)
4- Quran is same everywhere.
5- No matter what anyone says, one thing is established. Hadiths are not the word of God.
6- Hence hadiths CAN be faked and even ulemas have questioned many ahadiths. Interested people can search the books written on weak or fake hadith lists.
I am not going to write those 'hadiths' since people may get bad feelings. Not my intention at all.
7- Bible is like Hadiths in Islam. A book full of third person statements.
8 (a)- Someone needs to confirm this but Bukhari wrote this book 'Zuafa-us-sagher' in which he even condemned narrators. Please let me know if I am wrong.
8 (b)- Many ahadiths are divided as weak, or Sahih or even fabricated. No one dare say same thing about Quranic verses. Even so called Sahih compilation books differ in their contents. Many version of 'Sahih' books are in the market.
9- Many many sectarian 'ulemas' tell general people hadiths which make no sense. With all due respect to sects, their basis IS definitely on hadiths and they just shy away from first explaining Quran to people before emphasizing one or several hadiths to make them their followers. It may not be their fault altogether, they learned these from their teachers or read selective books and hence regurgitated the same in front of masses.
A vast majority of people never open Quran let alone read/understand its translation, and only follow their 'ulemas' blindly thinkiing their job is done.
10- Finally, I would say we do not need to follow every hadith if it is way beyond common sense and absolutely not if it contradicts with Quran. Read and try to understand Quran first if anyone wants to be so religious.
