Re: Good Non-Muslim People
Worship is a matter of perspective between you and me. Everything you mentioned is an act of worship from my perspective. Do you not owe everything to God for what you have in this life?
I don't think we differ much then, outside of the belief that God created us soley to worship him.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
I don't think we differ much then, outside of the belief that God created us soley to worship him.
So why God created us then?
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
I don't think we differ much then, outside of the belief that God created us soley to worship him.
Peace Seminole
Our purpose can only be to worship God. For it is in the worship of God our benefit resides. If we do something without benefit then that is called a pointless act. God did not create us to do pointless acts, because that means we are Attributing to God a pointless act in our purpose. Our purpose has to be purposeful and our purpose has to be beneficial. When we conform to our design function that is when we are happiest, sometimes we stumble over our design function and like the feeling but we forget to connect the dots and say I did this good deed for the sake of doing good alone. This is self deception.
That is the reason between your belief and mine. You say that you are a believer .... if so please qualify the statement you have made ...
"God wants me to do the right things because they are the right thing to do."
Where has God asked this from you? And do you not realise that 'the right thing' is another phrase for truth. And doing things in humble righteousness is an act of worship according to the Muslim belief system.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
So why God created us then?
to enjoy life
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
^ I would go as far as saying that He created us to Understand Himself and His Abilities as well...
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
to enjoy life
God created us so God can enjoy life?
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
to enjoy life
Peace chintu_bhopali
If you cannot back that up with scriptural evidence then you have created your own purpose and blamed God for it.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
God created us so God can enjoy life?
yup so he can relax and watch us from above getting screwed in different walks of life:D
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
Peace chintu_bhopali
If you cannot back that up with scriptural evidence then you have created your own purpose and blamed God for it.
you tell me why god needs someone to praise him???
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
So why God created us then?
Actually we created God.
That doesn't take away any of the holiness of God.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
I don't think we differ much then, outside of the belief that God created us soley to worship him.
If you believe an act of worship towards God is a good deed done for the sake of God because that is what he wants us to do, then what else would God want us doing other than worship (doing good deeds the most important one being recognizing/submitting to him in their actions for doing good and helping others do the same).
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
yup so he can relax and watch us from above getting screwed in different walks of life:D
I guess you deserve it then since that is what you want.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
If you believe an act of worship towards God is a good deed done for the sake of God because that is what he wants us to do, then what else would God want us doing other than worship (doing good deeds the most important one being recognizing/submitting to him in their actions for doing good and helping others do the same).
This is exactly why good deeds and God worship are not synonymous. Good deeds can happen without explicit worship or even without belief in God.
Sanathana Dharma therefore lays stress on Karma - the understanding of deeds - their cause effect. It even indicates that neglecting once karma even for God worship is no no good at all.
Wow! I am so much more prouder of our Dharma, look at how advanced and precise that wisdom is, even for seemingly complicated philosophic arguments such as this!
Sri Rama Jayam
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
If you believe an act of worship towards God is a good deed done for the sake of God because that is what he wants us to do, then what else would God want us doing other than worship (doing good deeds the most important one being recognizing/submitting to him in their actions for doing good and helping others do the same).
In that context then I agree. It definitely honors him to do good deeds.
Perhaps it's just semantics to say "God created us soley for the purpose of worshipping him" if one considers every good thing they do to be for the glory of God. It just seems like the emphasis on that sentence is that God wants praise more than he wants for man to act righteously.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
Start eating elephants also.
and yes when you slaugther any animal do it in front of ur child so he can understand how to do it in future.
muslim and many non muslim who eat meat do this infront of their childern as well
although what you have in mind is to turn childern away for eating meat as they might turn against that when they see the animal dieing
this is similar as to turn girls against merriages by showing the child birth and pain of women so that girls should not marry
this is not the right way
grow up
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May be you can use the blood to make some juice from it.
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blood is haram
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
you tell me why god needs someone to praise him???
Peace chintu_bhopali
Who said God needs someone to praise Him? I sure didn't. Now let me help you a bit with the question I asked you earlier ...
Prove that God created us for enjoyment. I will assume it be our enjoyment.
Qur'an Surah Baqarah Verses 35 - 36
And We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of your freely with pleasure and delight, of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the wrongdoers."
Then the Shaitan made them slip therefrom and got them out from that in which they were. We said: "Get you down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place for you and an enjoyment for a time."
You will find in the Qur'an evidence of your theory whereas you were at loss otherwise and instead asked me a red-herring question. It is in this Qur'an that you learn that there are functions and states of humanity and allowances that God has given us, but we effectively serve to fulfil our primary objective which is the worship of God.
Here is the reason why God needs no one to serve Him. He was The First and shall be The Last, this means that there is a concept of nothing else except God ever existing. In that domain nothing can worship or serve God and God still is Manifest ... so that proves God does not need us according to our understanding of God. Also, the creation of man itself is proof of this too. He had given us a choice NOT to worship Him this demonstrates His Wisdom to those creatures who have no choice but to worship God that God does not need worship. Now you can let yourself not fulfil the intended design for you or you can conform. It is your choice.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
This is exactly why good deeds and God worship are not synonymous. Good deeds can happen without explicit worship or even without belief in God.
Sanathana Dharma therefore lays stress on Karma - the understanding of deeds - their cause effect. It even indicates that neglecting once karma even for God worship is no no good at all.
Wow! I am so much more prouder of our Dharma, look at how advanced and precise that wisdom is, even for seemingly complicated philosophic arguments such as this!
Sri Rama Jayam
Peace StirCrasy
Of course good deeds and worship are not synonymous, that is why good deeds done with no purpose or without involving God in those intentions renders those deeds useless for the Hereafter. They may however be beneficial in this world, which is where the concept of Karma is limited to.
It is interesting that you bind God in subservience to the concept of Karma. To a Muslim that would seem you are appointing Karma as a god over God.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
It is interesting that you bind God in subservience to the concept of Karma. To a Muslim that would seem you are appointing Karma as a god over God.
What would you call the hundreds of things that are not in Quran (words of God) but are part of the practice of Islam? Putting hadith, sunnah, history, culture or prophet over God?
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
What would you call the hundreds of things that are not in Quran (words of God) but are part of the practice of Islam? Putting hadith, sunnah, history, culture or prophet over God?
Peace Seminole
No! Obviously not Muslim. Anything that contradicts the Qur'an without a clear context that can be backed up with evidence then we throw it and take what the Qur'an says.
Re: Good Non-Muslim People
Peace Seminole
No! Obviously not Muslim. Anything that contradicts the Qur'an without a clear context that can be backed up with evidence then we throw it and take what the Qur'an says.
Brother, perhaps there's more to it than what we are declaring here...